War and Peace

[Guest guest]

Harsha: We have had several messages on a on the War at

Kosovo. People are praying for peace. Yesterday, I saw some footage on the

news showing women and children refugees crying. There was helplessness,

desperation, and fear on their faces. How horrific human suffering can be.

We are reminded of that everyday as we truly live in a global village and

information travels so fast instantly. In the mid 1960s, when I was a child

growing up in India, Amritsar, we got caught in the India-Pakistan war. I

remember the sirens, the bombing raids and the anti-aircraft guns. I

remember how everyone slept on the streets not wanting to get caught under

the rubble if a bomb hit. On the day before the war ended, a nearbye town

was bombed severely. I had seven uncles on my mother's side. One of my

uncles had been working there and did not come home that day. His wife and

children came over to my grandparents house where we were living. They were

all in tears. Our whole family was devastated. Where to search? They said

bodies, arms and legs were everywhere. That was the first time I saw my

grandfather cry. I realized then that the grownups were not in control. The

whole day everyone sat. My grandmother was the strong one. She cooked and

gave us food to eat. The day turned into night. No one slept. At midnight

there was a knock. Three men brought in my uncle. He was alive but in shock

and could not speak. Now my grandfather laughed hysterically. "I knew he was

alive. I knew he was alive," he kept saying again and again. Finally, my

grandmother who had held out for the whole day cried.

[Guest guest]

Gloria:

Most of us in the US have never experienced anything this dramatic so I

can't say I know what it is like. I do know however, that many find God

in this suffering, there is just so much going on...it is really

important to detach and breathe. We certainly do create hell on earth,

now it is time for heaven as well.

 

 

Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote:

>

> "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar

>

> Harsha: We have had several messages on a on the War at

> Kosovo. People are praying for peace. Yesterday, I saw some footage on the

> news showing women and children refugees crying. There was helplessness,

> desperation, and fear on their faces. How horrific human suffering can be.

> We are reminded of that everyday as we truly live in a global village and

> information travels so fast instantly. In the mid 1960s, when I was a child

> growing up in India, Amritsar, we got caught in the India-Pakistan war. I

> remember the sirens, the bombing raids and the anti-aircraft guns. I

> remember how everyone slept on the streets not wanting to get caught under

> the rubble if a bomb hit. On the day before the war ended, a nearbye town

> was bombed severely. I had seven uncles on my mother's side. One of my

> uncles had been working there and did not come home that day. His wife and

> children came over to my grandparents house where we were living. They were

> all in tears. Our whole family was devastated. Where to search? They said

> bodies, arms and legs were everywhere. That was the first time I saw my

> grandfather cry. I realized then that the grownups were not in control. The

> whole day everyone sat. My grandmother was the strong one. She cooked and

> gave us food to eat. The day turned into night. No one slept. At midnight

> there was a knock. Three men brought in my uncle. He was alive but in shock

> and could not speak. Now my grandfather laughed hysterically. "I knew he was

> alive. I knew he was alive," he kept saying again and again. Finally, my

> grandmother who had held out for the whole day cried.

>

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[Guest guest]

War can only be prevented if the formation is recognized and consequently,

the situation is defused. At present, the situation in Russia is comparable

to the situation in Yugoslavia at the death of Tito. Like Yugoslavia, Russia

consists of many states / peoples. The country is poverty-struck and it

isn't a secret that Western style capitalism caused a general plunder, even

of military equipment by some military men themselves. Basic equipment like

snow-plows being sold as scrap-metal - a public secret. Because for the

majority, "capitalism" has meant a decline in all aspects of life,

resentment has been building up and adding to what has been a nightmare to

Russia: Napoleon and Hitler. Of course, the Russian nationalists are blaming

the West for the collapse of the Soviet Union. To those wondering what to

do, here is "the" opportunity to prevent an avalanche from forming.

 

Jan

[Guest guest]

To those wondering what to

> do, here is "the" opportunity to prevent an avalanche from forming.

>

> Jan

 

 

What would you suggest Jan?

 

I would suggest that all citizen of NATO nations go in the streets and

ask that all the money and effort made by the NATO forces, now in

Yugoslavia, be changed place. Why not choose the poorest country in the

world, and work to built water pipes for them, help them plant on their

land, help them push away the desert, bring them medication and help

them form more doctors.

 

Many more lives would be saved with the same amount of effort (and even

so much less). IMHO. And the message would be much more stronger.

 

And in long term, it can even be seen as a form of investiment by our

market based economy. Over a few years we would have more people on this

planet to buy the products of our compagnies of trowing so much to

garbage still of use to others.

 

The patient Utopist,

 

Antoine

[Guest guest]

> Antoine <carrea

>

> To those wondering what to

> > do, here is "the" opportunity to prevent an avalanche from forming.

> >

> > Jan

>

>

> What would you suggest Jan?

 

Politics, no. Once a neighbor, a civil engineer, told me that the average

cost of a Dutch life was $50.000 (at the end of the sixties). All safety

calculations for construction (roads and buildings) were based on that

figure. In this world, only money matters. Bosnia / Kosovo - Muslim -

Arab - oil; does this ring a bell? This is supposed to be Kali yuga (dark

age) as opposed to Satya yuga (age of truthfulness). Politicians of opposite

ideologies still are colleagues; they only represent different methods of

doing business. Remember China means a big market and Tibet has neither oil

nor a Muslim population. Western countries are democracies which makes

everyone of its citizens responsible for the policy.

 

So the obvious to do would be shifting focus from welfare to well-being.

This would change priorities of spending and would transform the military

into a task force to rely on in times of natural catastrophe and emergency.

An economy based on growth is sooner or later doomed to fail as growth can't

continue forever.

 

Fact is, people are both voting and judging with their wallet. Incidentally,

there is an action to ease the pain when a catastrophe strikes. Despite the

fact that W.W.II could have been prevented, it became a catastrophe and

this, combined with the experience of communism in the Soviet Union, caused

the founding of NATO.

>

> I would suggest that all citizen of NATO nations go in the streets and

> ask that all the money and effort made by the NATO forces, now in

> Yugoslavia, be changed place. Why not choose the poorest country in the

> world, and work to built water pipes for them, help them plant on their

> land, help them push away the desert, bring them medication and help

> them form more doctors.

 

To a certain extent this is being done already. For instance, retired

managers are teaching management in developing countries. This has increased

production and income. The doctors have in some cases caused indigenous

practice of medicine to vanish resulting in dependency on expensive medicine

whereas the woods containing healing herbs of traditional medicine are

chopped down. Government organized "help" often dictates conditions,

favoring business for the "giving" country. Help in a "bottom up" fashion,

resulting in self-sufficiency, is far more effective than "top down"

government organized help.

> Many more lives would be saved with the same amount of effort (and even

> so much less). IMHO. And the message would be much more stronger.

>

> And in long term, it can even be seen as a form of investiment by our

> market based economy. Over a few years we would have more people on this

> planet to buy the products of our compagnies of trowing so much to

> garbage still of use to others.

>

> The patient Utopist,

>

> Antoine

 

There is another calculation that isn't based on economics. The increase of

scientific knowledge doesn't have a linear relation with the increase in the

number of scientists; it is exponential. So in theory it pays off to invest

in people (education) first and then in "dead things (like sending RC toys

to Mars)". It would have been sensible (stop suffering first) and logical

too (because of the exponential the "lost" time would be overtaken). Which

brings us back to the fact that selfishness means death in more than one

way...

 

Jan