Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 At 09:58 PM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >Linda: > >Yoga teaches that the root of lust is anger I wouldn't call anger a desire. Hmmm? What yoga might this be? The root of lust has to be continuance of the species. Lust is a leftover from when we were animals and it took sense-pleasure to drive us to continue the species through sexual intercourse (I.E. without a "pavlovian pleasure response" we would never have a reason to do it). Now of course it's no longer necessary. But how in the heck could it be related to anger? Lost (not lust), :-) Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://start.at/the.core Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 >Linda: > >Yoga teaches that the root of lust is anger I wouldn't call anger a desire. Tim: >Hmmm? What yoga might this be? The root of lust has to be continuance of >the species. Lust is a leftover from when we were animals and it took >sense-pleasure to drive us to continue the species through sexual >intercourse (I.E. without a "pavlovian pleasure response" we would never >have a reason to do it). Now of course it's no longer necessary. But how >in the heck could it be related to anger? >Lost (not lust), :-) Tim Linda: Lust is not the same as sexuality Webster defines it as among other things as a desire to satisfy the senses; bodily appetite or overmastering desire (a lust for power). As for it being related to anger think of someone who has a lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually there will be some anger at the root of their emotions. It is no different from someone who, for instance tends to be a bully - if you look deeply at the person you can see fear is the root emotion behind the actions of the bully. As for the yoga this was discussed during a philosophy class and most likely came from the Chakra Samhita which is a classic text of ayurveda. The teachings of ayurveda are considered very much a part of the general teachings of yoga.. Linda ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://start.at/the.core Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. ------ Come check out our brand new web site! Onelist: Making the Internet intimate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Linda, Thanks for the clarification... With Love, Tim At 01:18 AM 3/31/99 -0500, you wrote: >"Linda Callanan" <shastra > > > >>Linda: >> >>Yoga teaches that the root of lust is anger I wouldn't call anger a desire. > >Tim: >>Hmmm? What yoga might this be? The root of lust has to be continuance of >>the species. Lust is a leftover from when we were animals and it took >>sense-pleasure to drive us to continue the species through sexual >>intercourse (I.E. without a "pavlovian pleasure response" we would never >>have a reason to do it). Now of course it's no longer necessary. But how >>in the heck could it be related to anger? > >>Lost (not lust), :-) > >Tim > >Linda: > >Lust is not the same as sexuality Webster defines it as among other things >as a desire to satisfy the senses; bodily appetite or overmastering desire >(a lust for power). As for it being related to anger think of someone who >has a lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually there will be some anger >at the root of their emotions. It is no different from someone who, for >instance tends to be a bully - if you look deeply at the person you can see >fear is the root emotion behind the actions of the bully. As for the yoga >this was discussed during a philosophy class and most likely came from the >Chakra Samhita which is a classic text of ayurveda. The teachings of >ayurveda are considered very much a part of the general teachings of yoga.. > >Linda >----- >The CORE of Reality awaits you at: >http://start.at/the.core >Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. > >------ >Come check out our brand new web site! > >Onelist: Making the Internet intimate > > >------ >Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? > >Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site > > ----- Permanent Web Link: http://profiles./fewtch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Hi Linda, >>Lust is not the same as sexuality Webster defines it as among other things >>as a desire to satisfy the senses; bodily appetite or overmastering desire >>(a lust for power). An "overmastering desire" does NOT mean a lust to overmaster someone... it means a desire that overmasters the person who has the desire. It has nothing to do with a lust for power. "Lust" is a good old Anglo-Saxon word that meant "pleasure, longing." It used to mean "1. Obs. a Pleasure; liking. b Inclination; desire." Over time the word came to denote specifically sexual/sensuous desire and took on the connotation of something bad, an "evil" or "negative" feeling. It now means "2. Sensuous desire; bodily appetite; commonly, sexual desire as a degrading passion." (The information comes from my old Webster's; it should be in your edition too.) The third meaning given is nearer to the original, but I would say it is now a metaphorical use of the word, an extension of a term for sexual/sensuous desire to other sorts of desires. "3. Longing or eagerness to enjoy." I think the word now always carries the feeling of sexuality... physical appetite... or at least, an earthy sort of desire. It is in this sense that we may refer to a "lust for life" or "lust for power." >>As for it being related to anger think of someone who >>has a lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually there will be some anger >>at the root of their emotions. It is possible that for someone who is naturally dominant, lust might seem to include "lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually." But people who are naturally submissive also lust; for them it does not include an urge to power or desire to conquer. The word itself does not mean either a desire to overpower or a desire to be overpowered, although for a specific individual, one of these may be part of his own sexual make-up. >>>>Yoga teaches that the root of lust is anger I wouldn't call anger a desire. >>As for the yoga >>this was discussed during a philosophy class and most likely came from the >>Chakra Samhita which is a classic text of ayurveda. If there is a classical text that says the root of lust is anger, I'd like to see the exact words. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Hello Dharma, Hi Linda, >>Lust is not the same as sexuality Webster defines it as among other things >>as a desire to satisfy the senses; bodily appetite or overmastering desire >>(a lust for power). >An "overmastering desire" does NOT mean a lust to overmaster someone... it >means a desire that overmasters the person who has the desire. It has >nothing to do with a lust for power. I took the "overmastering desire (lust for power)" directly from Websters Dictionary >"Lust" is a good old Anglo-Saxon word that meant "pleasure, longing." It >used to mean "1. Obs. a Pleasure; liking. b Inclination; desire." >Over time the word came to denote specifically sexual/sensuous desire and >took on the connotation of something bad, an "evil" or "negative" feeling. >It now means "2. Sensuous desire; bodily appetite; commonly, sexual desire >as a degrading passion." (The information comes from my old Webster's; it >should be in your edition too.) My dictionary may be older - 2 a)sexual desire b) excessive sexual desire esp. as seeking unrestrained gratification.. It may be that most common appetite associated with the word is sexual but I have certainly heard it used in the 20th century as a lust for power, a lust for life or as a quality used to describe someone who approaches food, sex, shopping or any activity with lust. >The third meaning given is nearer to the original, but I would say it is >.now a metaphorical use of the word, an extension of a term for >sexual/sensuous desire to other sorts of desires. "3. Longing or eagerness >to enjoy." I think the word now always carries the feeling of sexuality... >physical appetite... or at least, an earthy sort of desire. It is in this >sense that we may refer to a "lust for life" or "lust for power." >>As for it being related to anger think of someone who >>has a lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually there will be some anger >>at the root of their emotions. >It is possible that for someone who is naturally dominant, lust might seem >to include "lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually." But people who >are naturally submissive also lust; for them it does not include an urge to >power or desire to conquer. The word itself does not mean either a desire >to overpower or a desire to be overpowered, although for a specific >individual, one of these may be part of his own sexual make-up. I used 'lust for power or lust to conquer sexually' as an example to show that lust and sexuality are not the same thing. A naturally submissive person having feelings of lust often feels 'overpowered' by their desires and will be agitated or short tempered. To give a personal example I am neither dominant or submissive but I have had a problem with food lately. There have been times when I approached the food with a general feeling of lust - unlike my usual approach. Something occurred in my life last year that at first left me so shaken that I was mostly hurt and confused. As I work through the process I started to move into the stage of anger and my appetite increased accordingly. >>>Yoga teaches that the root of lust is anger I wouldn't call anger a desire. >>As for the yoga >>this was discussed during a philosophy class and most likely came from the >>Chakra Samhita which is a classic text of ayurveda. >If there is a classical text that says the root of lust is anger, I'd like >to see the exact words. Unfortunately, this was a series of verbal talks. The person giving the series was versed in Philosophy, Sanskrit as well as Ayurveda he would weave all three together. Throughout that particular series he often referred to the Chakra Samhita.(which is why I said "most likely") . Coming from the ancient language of Sanskrit I would think that lust would have included all of the definitions. The wonderful thing about yoga is that one does not have to accept words at face value and then give back the teachings in a mechanical manner. For myself, when I truly contemplated the issue I saw a big difference in feeling 'lust' for someone or something and sexual desire. Namaste, Linda Love, Dharma ------ If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site! Onelist: Fostering connections and information exchange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 At 04:35 31/03/99 -0600, you wrote: >Dharma <fisher1 > >Hi Linda, > >>>Lust is not the same as sexuality Webster defines it as among other things >>>as a desire to satisfy the senses; bodily appetite or overmastering desire >>>(a lust for power). > >An "overmastering desire" does NOT mean a lust to overmaster someone... it >means a desire that overmasters the person who has the desire. It has >nothing to do with a lust for power. > >"Lust" is a good old Anglo-Saxon word that meant "pleasure, longing." It >used to mean "1. Obs. a Pleasure; liking. b Inclination; desire." > >Over time the word came to denote specifically sexual/sensuous desire and >took on the connotation of something bad, an "evil" or "negative" feeling. >It now means "2. Sensuous desire; bodily appetite; commonly, sexual desire >as a degrading passion." (The information comes from my old Webster's; it >should be in your edition too.) > >The third meaning given is nearer to the original, but I would say it is >now a metaphorical use of the word, an extension of a term for >sexual/sensuous desire to other sorts of desires. "3. Longing or eagerness >to enjoy." I think the word now always carries the feeling of sexuality... >physical appetite... or at least, an earthy sort of desire. It is in this >sense that we may refer to a "lust for life" or "lust for power." > 'Scuse me, came in a bit late on this, but drawn to reply... Agree with Dharma on this, with respect, Linda: check out Alistair Crowley's Thoth Tarot, and his Book of Thoth. His view of Lust is that force that drives the will to life, something natural, celebrating. Sex energy is a natural, powerful force, and can be used in a number of ways, but the root is non-polarised life-force. In astrology, Pluto represents deep, life-force level energies that are powerful -- indeed, generate power -- but the handling of this force in ourselves and others is a matter of awareness, not a matter of fear. Pluto issues involve our own and others' power and how it is used and experienced. Fear of power stifles the life-force energy, just as unbalanced use of that energy creates abuse of power. IMO, avoiding desire because we want to avoid power issues is not a solution. That's why in astrology Plutonian energies signify delving into our darknesses, facing our shadows, our disowned drives and fears. Then, having integrated them into a loving whole, the Plutonian energy transforms into the Minerva aspect, and the phoenix symbol of Scorpio rises from the ashes. Fear is ego, as is attachment to power, or to desire. The phoenix knows it transcends it's own death, what can it fear? Therefore what does it need to abuse? with love Rob >>>As for it being related to anger think of someone who >>>has a lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually there will be some anger >>>at the root of their emotions. > >It is possible that for someone who is naturally dominant, lust might seem >to include "lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually." But people who >are naturally submissive also lust; for them it does not include an urge to >power or desire to conquer. The word itself does not mean either a desire >to overpower or a desire to be overpowered, although for a specific >individual, one of these may be part of his own sexual make-up. > >>>>>Yoga teaches that the root of lust is anger I wouldn't call anger a desire. > >>>As for the yoga >>>this was discussed during a philosophy class and most likely came from the >>>Chakra Samhita which is a classic text of ayurveda. > >If there is a classical text that says the root of lust is anger, I'd like >to see the exact words. > >Love, >Dharma > > > >------ >If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site! > >Onelist: Fostering connections and information exchange > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Tim Gerchmez wrote: > Hmmm? What yoga might this be? The root of lust has to be continuance of > the species. Lust is a leftover from when we were animals and it took > sense-pleasure to drive us to continue the species through sexual > intercourse (I.E. without a "pavlovian pleasure response" we would never > have a reason to do it). Now of course it's no longer necessary. But how > in the heck could it be related to anger? > > Lost (not lust), :-) Marcia: I am curious about this. It seems to me that the continuance of the species is rooted in instinct whereas as lust seems to me to be more imaginative at its root which seems to me to confine it to man. I am turning this one round and round to get a look at it from all angles or angels depending on whether you are sitting on the head of a pin or not. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 >Dharma <fisher1 > >Hi Linda, > >>>Lust is not the same as sexuality Webster defines it as among other things >>>as a desire to satisfy the senses; bodily appetite or overmastering desire >>>(a lust for power). > >An "overmastering desire" does NOT mean a lust to overmaster someone... it >means a desire that overmasters the person who has the desire. It has >nothing to do with a lust for power. > >"Lust" is a good old Anglo-Saxon word that meant "pleasure, longing." It >used to mean "1. Obs. a Pleasure; liking. b Inclination; desire." > >Over time the word came to denote specifically sexual/sensuous desire and >took on the connotation of something bad, an "evil" or "negative" feeling. >It now means "2. Sensuous desire; bodily appetite; commonly, sexual desire >as a degrading passion." (The information comes from my old Webster's; it >should be in your edition too.) > >The third meaning given is nearer to the original, but I would say it is >now a metaphorical use of the word, an extension of a term for >sexual/sensuous desire to other sorts of desires. "3. Longing or eagerness >to enjoy." I think the word now always carries the feeling of sexuality... >physical appetite... or at least, an earthy sort of desire. It is in this >sense that we may refer to a "lust for life" or "lust for power." > 'Scuse me, came in a bit late on this, but drawn to reply... >Agree with Dharma on this, with respect, Linda: check out Alistair >Crowley's Thoth Tarot, and his Book of Thoth. His view of Lust is that >force that drives the will to life, something natural, celebrating. Sex >energy is a natural, powerful force, and can be used in a number of ways, >but the root is non-polarised life-force. In astrology, Pluto represents >deep, life-force level energies that are powerful -- indeed, generate power ->- but the handling of this force in ourselves and others is a matter of >awareness, not a matter of fear. Pluto issues involve our own and others' >power and how it is used and experienced. Fear of power stifles the >life-force energy, just as unbalanced use of that energy creates abuse of >power. Hi Rob, I understand what you are saying....however, if I understand you correctly Crowley views Lust as a force that drives the will to life...the power behind the sex....not the sex itself. Some people's drive to life might not be sex there could be a drive for something else that they perceive as necessary to live .From a yoga standpoint you appear to be discussing the energy that arise from the 3rd chakra - which is also considered to be one of the chakras that houses not only one's will but also one's anger. I am not saying that there is anything unnatural about sex, I'm simply saying that sex is not lust. While Pluto can be a most spiritualizing and transforming energy it is also present in a large number of charts where violent crime has been committed >IMO, avoiding desire because we want to avoid power issues is not a >solution. That's why in astrology Plutonian energies signify delving into >our darknesses, facing our shadows, our disowned drives and fears. Then, >having integrated them into a loving whole, the Plutonian energy transforms >into the Minerva aspect, and the phoenix symbol of Scorpio rises from the >ashes. Fear is ego, as is attachment to power, or to desire. The phoenix >knows it transcends it's own death, what can it fear? Therefore what does >it need to abuse? Of course, when one confronts their darkness and integrates all aspects of self there is nothing left to fear. Knowledge and use of the knowledge of yoga, astrology, tarot and any form of spiritualizing transformative tools is only necessary before one has integrated and moved into 'oneness'. After the work is done all just is. . Love, Linda with love Rob >>>As for it being related to anger think of someone who >>>has a lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually there will be some anger >>>at the root of their emotions. > >It is possible that for someone who is naturally dominant, lust might seem >to include "lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually." But people who >are naturally submissive also lust; for them it does not include an urge to >power or desire to conquer. The word itself does not mean either a desire >to overpower or a desire to be overpowered, although for a specific >individual, one of these may be part of his own sexual make-up. > >>>>>Yoga teaches that the root of lust is anger I wouldn't call anger a desire. > >>>As for the yoga >>>this was discussed during a philosophy class and most likely came from the >>>Chakra Samhita which is a classic text of ayurveda. > >If there is a classical text that says the root of lust is anger, I'd like >to see the exact words. > >Love, >Dharma > > > >------ >If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site! > >Onelist: Fostering connections and information exchange > > > ------ Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Hey Robert, >Agree with Dharma on this, with respect, Linda: check out Alistair >Crowley's Thoth Tarot, and his Book of Thoth. His view of Lust is that >force that drives the will to life, something natural, celebrating. Sex >energy is a natural, powerful force, and can be used in a number of ways, >but the root is non-polarised life-force. In astrology, Pluto represents >deep, life-force level energies that are powerful -- indeed, generate power >-- but the handling of this force in ourselves and others is a matter of >awareness, not a matter of fear. Pluto issues involve our own and others' >power and how it is used and experienced. Fear of power stifles the >life-force energy, just as unbalanced use of that energy creates abuse of >power. > >IMO, avoiding desire because we want to avoid power issues is not a >solution. That's why in astrology Plutonian energies signify delving into >our darknesses, facing our shadows, our disowned drives and fears. Then, >having integrated them into a loving whole, the Plutonian energy transforms >into the Minerva aspect, and the phoenix symbol of Scorpio rises from the >ashes. Fear is ego, as is attachment to power, or to desire. The phoenix >knows it transcends it's own death, what can it fear? Therefore what does >it need to abuse? Spoken like a true Scorpio! ...oops... Phoenix, I mean. ) Love, Dharma (another Phoenix) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Hi Linda, >While Pluto can be a most spiritualizing and transforming energy it is also >present in a large number of charts where violent crime has been committed But of course you aren't an astrologer... Pluto is present in _every_ chart. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Hi Linda, As always, I hear the wisdom you offer, and the beautiful heart that shares it. Thank you for all you share, and the Spirit in which you give. Your humor and gentle caring is like a breath of fresh air to me. Love to you, Melody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Hello Dharma, Correction: "While Pluto.....it is also strong .......has been committed." Of course, Pluto is present in all charts but not necessarily involved in strong or active patterns. I studied and practiced western astrology for 20 years and am currently a certified Vedic Astrologer. BTW - Vedic Astrology does not generally include Pluto though some do use it if it is strong in a chart. An interesting side note to Vedic Astrology's viewpoint on sexuality - it is considered one of the activities of the 12th house - one of the three moksha or liberation areas of a chart. The 12th house is considered one of the strongest areas for spiritual enlightenment and renunciation - a bit different from the viewpoint of putting sexuality in the 8th house of death - a bit more like looking at sex as a merging of the Siva/Shakti energies rather than an activity driven by lust. Namaste, Linda Dharma [fisher1] Wednesday, March 31, 1999 12:55 PM Re: TWO TOPICS] Dharma <fisher1 Hi Linda, >While Pluto can be a most spiritualizing and transforming energy it is also >present in a large number of charts where violent crime has been committed But of course you aren't an astrologer... Pluto is present in _every_ chart. Love, Dharma ------ Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Dear Melody, Thank you. It's always nice to hear the harmony from your melodies. Love, Linda Melody [melody] Wednesday, March 31, 1999 1:35 PM Re: TWO TOPICS] Melody <melody Hi Linda, As always, I hear the wisdom you offer, and the beautiful heart that shares it. Thank you for all you share, and the Spirit in which you give. Your humor and gentle caring is like a breath of fresh air to me. Love to you, Melody ------ Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at Onelist? Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 But, Dharma, Robert's a Taurus! <grin> gill > Dharma <fisher1 > > Hey Robert, {snipped} > Spoken like a true Scorpio! ...oops... Phoenix, I mean. ) > > Love, > Dharma > (another Phoenix) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Linda Callanan wrote: > Of course, Pluto is present in all charts but not necessarily involved in > strong or active patterns. I studied and practiced western astrology for 20 > years and am currently a certified Vedic Astrologer. BTW - Vedic Astrology > does not generally include Pluto though some do use it if it is strong in a > chart. An interesting side note to Vedic Astrology's viewpoint on > sexuality - it is considered one of the activities of the 12th house - one > of the three moksha or liberation areas of a chart. The 12th house is > considered one of the strongest areas for spiritual enlightenment and > renunciation - a bit different from the viewpoint of putting sexuality in > the 8th house of death - a bit more like looking at sex as a merging of the > Siva/Shakti energies rather than an activity driven by lust. Marcia: This is really off topic but I am curious about intercepts. I have not found anything which explains the meaning or significance if any of intercepts. I have an Aries intercept in the 12th House. Within that intercept is an Aries Sun, Aries Mercury, Aries Venus and Aries Mars.It seems like intercepts might be sort of like "nested" somethings. Another question if I may be so bold is what significance does the planet which (I am not sure how to ask this) is on the horizon (?) of a house? For instance because my rising is in Taurus and with an Aries intercept in the 12th House that puts Pisces on the horizon of the 12th House in my chart. I have no idea if my question is clear or not. In other words because my rising is in Taurus that means if I had any planets in the first house than I would have Taurus energy and first house issues and the focus of the whatever planet it was. Does that make sense? I actually do have lots of Aries energy working on 12th Houses issues but how does the fact that that House in my chart is also influenced by Pisces? I can put a check in the mail if you charge. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Marcia Paul [jacpa] Wednesday, March 31, 1999 11:52 AM Re: TWO TOPICS] Marcia Paul <jacpa Marcia: I am curious about this. It seems to me that the continuance of the species is rooted in instinct whereas as lust seems to me to be more imaginative at its root which seems to me to confine it to man. I am turning this one round and round to get a look at it from all angles or angels depending on whether you are sitting on the head of a pin or not. :-) Harsha: Hi Marcia. Could you clarify this. Are you saying that only men lust and women do not lust. There are probably lot of individual differences but sociological and psychological literature supports findings that both men and women lust. There is even evidence that in some situations women can sexually exploit men. There has been a lot of serious scholarship in this area if anyone is interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 >"Gill Collingwood" <Gill > >But, Dharma, Robert's a Taurus! ><grin> >gill Really, Gill? Oh well, that's like a photographic negative of a Scorpio! )) Opposite signs, you know... I thought he must be Scorpio because he understands it so well... so many people don't... it's the most misunderstood sign... >> Dharma <fisher1 >> >> Hey Robert, > {snipped} >> Spoken like a true Scorpio! ...oops... Phoenix, I mean. ) >> >> Love, >> Dharma >> (another Phoenix) > >------ >We have a new web site! > >Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Marcia: Man = Human i.e. both genders in distinction from other animals which do not have self awareness. I don't have to go to psychological or sociological literature to know that women lust. Ha Ha. Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote: > "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar > > > Marcia Paul [jacpa] > Wednesday, March 31, 1999 11:52 AM > > Re: TWO TOPICS] > > Marcia Paul <jacpa > > Marcia: > > I am curious about this. It seems to me that the continuance of the > species is rooted in instinct whereas as lust seems to me to be more > imaginative at its root which seems to me to confine it to man. I am > turning this one round and round to get a look at it from all angles > or angels depending on whether you are sitting on the head of a > pin or not. :-) > > Harsha: Hi Marcia. Could you clarify this. Are you saying that only men lust > and women do not lust. There are probably lot of individual differences but > sociological and psychological literature supports findings that both men > and women lust. There is even evidence that in some situations women can > sexually exploit men. There has been a lot of serious scholarship in this > area if anyone is interested. > > ------ > If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site! > > Onelist: Fostering connections and information exchange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Hi Linda, >Of course, Pluto is present in all charts but not necessarily involved in >strong or active patterns. I studied and practiced western astrology for 20 >years and am currently a certified Vedic Astrologer. BTW - Vedic Astrology >does not generally include Pluto though some do use it if it is strong in a >chart. Hmm, I don't know Vedic astrology... it wouldn't have occurred to me that they might do charts without Pluto... Do they also leave out Neptune and Uranus? >An interesting side note to Vedic Astrology's viewpoint on >sexuality - it is considered one of the activities of the 12th house - one >of the three moksha or liberation areas of a chart. The 12th house is >considered one of the strongest areas for spiritual enlightenment and >renunciation - a bit different from the viewpoint of putting sexuality in >the 8th house of death - a bit more like looking at sex as a merging of the >Siva/Shakti energies rather than an activity driven by lust. I'm not sure whether that's meant as a characterization of Western astrology... it isn't much like the astrology I know. 8th house is death, rebirth, & transformation, also sex and the occult, other people's money, etc. Actual physical death is not shown so simply; it involves more than one house. I doubt that it can be predicted with certainty. Evangeline Adams said everyone gets about three death charts per year, and all but one of them mean transformation and rebirth. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 Hi Just got in and read the responses Whoa, Gill, you blew my cover... Yes, us Taureans *should* know something about Scorpio: that's our shadow side! Deep respect for the Scorpio, no choice about that... So what would a Scorpio see in the sign of Taurus, I wonder? I think we're a bit misunderstood too (especially by ourselves). Incidentally (cue a ramble, have delete key ready) I've been getting Pluto transiting my natal Saturn, and it's been a learning, as they say... Oddly, astrologers told me "oh dear, this is going to be tough, you're going to go through some serious umska in the next X months, you'll suffer, oh God you'll suffer, but afterwards you'll be grateful" etc -- sort of Calvinistic astrology, apparently. Well, what I got instead was a tremendously powerful feeling like a radioactive isotope inside me, contained in lead casing, with a keyhole which I could open slightly and beam out a ray of powerful energy wherever/whenever I wanted it. Total focus. No prairie fire, no Fascism, no obsessive desires. Nice. Not that my life has been without dramatic ups and downs, but that's really nothing new. Everything just seemed to deepen, and my ability to deal with it too. And that to me was a personal ownership of some of my own power, without old fears. The power that drives the flower... Oh, right, so this ties in with the business of Will. What is it composed of? Where does it come from? Is it merely controlling, or is it an emanation of one's inner Intent, which comes from a place beyond one's gain/loss perspective? (As if you can't guess my perspective on this...) Also incidentally, there's going to be a major co-incidence of planets on Taurus in y2K (I'll get a closer date for you). While the energies reside in Taurus, they will point towards Scorpio, and should bring forth some interesting stuff for us all. At least we'll be well earthed... 'Scuse the ramble, just enjoying the sunshine. Hope it's shining on you wherever you are... Rob At 15:55 31/03/99 -0600, you wrote: >Dharma <fisher1 > >>"Gill Collingwood" <Gill >> >>But, Dharma, Robert's a Taurus! >><grin> >>gill > >Really, Gill? Oh well, that's like a photographic negative of a Scorpio! >)) Opposite signs, you know... > >I thought he must be Scorpio because he understands it so well... so many >people don't... it's the most misunderstood sign... > > >>> Dharma <fisher1 >>> >>> Hey Robert, >> {snipped} >>> Spoken like a true Scorpio! ...oops... Phoenix, I mean. ) >>> >>> Love, >>> Dharma >>> (another Phoenix) >> >>------ >>We have a new web site! >> >>Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services > > > > >------ >We have a new web site! > >Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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