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At 09:58 PM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote:

>Linda:

>

>Yoga teaches that the root of lust is anger I wouldn't call anger a desire.

 

Hmmm? What yoga might this be? The root of lust has to be continuance of

the species. Lust is a leftover from when we were animals and it took

sense-pleasure to drive us to continue the species through sexual

intercourse (I.E. without a "pavlovian pleasure response" we would never

have a reason to do it). Now of course it's no longer necessary. But how

in the heck could it be related to anger?

 

Lost (not lust), :-)

 

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>Linda:

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>Yoga teaches that the root of lust is anger I wouldn't call anger a desire.

 

Tim:

>Hmmm? What yoga might this be? The root of lust has to be continuance of

>the species. Lust is a leftover from when we were animals and it took

>sense-pleasure to drive us to continue the species through sexual

>intercourse (I.E. without a "pavlovian pleasure response" we would never

>have a reason to do it). Now of course it's no longer necessary. But how

>in the heck could it be related to anger?

>Lost (not lust), :-)

 

Tim

 

Linda:

 

Lust is not the same as sexuality Webster defines it as among other things

as a desire to satisfy the senses; bodily appetite or overmastering desire

(a lust for power). As for it being related to anger think of someone who

has a lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually there will be some anger

at the root of their emotions. It is no different from someone who, for

instance tends to be a bully - if you look deeply at the person you can see

fear is the root emotion behind the actions of the bully. As for the yoga

this was discussed during a philosophy class and most likely came from the

Chakra Samhita which is a classic text of ayurveda. The teachings of

ayurveda are considered very much a part of the general teachings of yoga..

 

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Linda,

 

Thanks for the clarification...

 

With Love,

 

Tim

 

 

At 01:18 AM 3/31/99 -0500, you wrote:

>"Linda Callanan" <shastra

>

>

>

>>Linda:

>>

>>Yoga teaches that the root of lust is anger I wouldn't call anger a desire.

>

>Tim:

>>Hmmm? What yoga might this be? The root of lust has to be continuance of

>>the species. Lust is a leftover from when we were animals and it took

>>sense-pleasure to drive us to continue the species through sexual

>>intercourse (I.E. without a "pavlovian pleasure response" we would never

>>have a reason to do it). Now of course it's no longer necessary. But how

>>in the heck could it be related to anger?

>

>>Lost (not lust), :-)

>

>Tim

>

>Linda:

>

>Lust is not the same as sexuality Webster defines it as among other things

>as a desire to satisfy the senses; bodily appetite or overmastering desire

>(a lust for power). As for it being related to anger think of someone who

>has a lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually there will be some anger

>at the root of their emotions. It is no different from someone who, for

>instance tends to be a bully - if you look deeply at the person you can see

>fear is the root emotion behind the actions of the bully. As for the yoga

>this was discussed during a philosophy class and most likely came from the

>Chakra Samhita which is a classic text of ayurveda. The teachings of

>ayurveda are considered very much a part of the general teachings of yoga..

>

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Hi Linda,

>>Lust is not the same as sexuality Webster defines it as among other things

>>as a desire to satisfy the senses; bodily appetite or overmastering desire

>>(a lust for power).

 

An "overmastering desire" does NOT mean a lust to overmaster someone... it

means a desire that overmasters the person who has the desire. It has

nothing to do with a lust for power.

 

"Lust" is a good old Anglo-Saxon word that meant "pleasure, longing." It

used to mean "1. Obs. a Pleasure; liking. b Inclination; desire."

 

Over time the word came to denote specifically sexual/sensuous desire and

took on the connotation of something bad, an "evil" or "negative" feeling.

It now means "2. Sensuous desire; bodily appetite; commonly, sexual desire

as a degrading passion." (The information comes from my old Webster's; it

should be in your edition too.)

 

The third meaning given is nearer to the original, but I would say it is

now a metaphorical use of the word, an extension of a term for

sexual/sensuous desire to other sorts of desires. "3. Longing or eagerness

to enjoy." I think the word now always carries the feeling of sexuality...

physical appetite... or at least, an earthy sort of desire. It is in this

sense that we may refer to a "lust for life" or "lust for power."

>>As for it being related to anger think of someone who

>>has a lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually there will be some anger

>>at the root of their emotions.

 

It is possible that for someone who is naturally dominant, lust might seem

to include "lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually." But people who

are naturally submissive also lust; for them it does not include an urge to

power or desire to conquer. The word itself does not mean either a desire

to overpower or a desire to be overpowered, although for a specific

individual, one of these may be part of his own sexual make-up.

>>>>Yoga teaches that the root of lust is anger I wouldn't call anger a desire.

>>As for the yoga

>>this was discussed during a philosophy class and most likely came from the

>>Chakra Samhita which is a classic text of ayurveda.

 

If there is a classical text that says the root of lust is anger, I'd like

to see the exact words.

 

Love,

Dharma

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Hello Dharma,

 

Hi Linda,

>>Lust is not the same as sexuality Webster defines it as among other things

>>as a desire to satisfy the senses; bodily appetite or overmastering desire

>>(a lust for power).

>An "overmastering desire" does NOT mean a lust to overmaster someone... it

>means a desire that overmasters the person who has the desire. It has

>nothing to do with a lust for power.

 

I took the "overmastering desire (lust for power)" directly from Websters

Dictionary

>"Lust" is a good old Anglo-Saxon word that meant "pleasure, longing." It

>used to mean "1. Obs. a Pleasure; liking. b Inclination; desire."

>Over time the word came to denote specifically sexual/sensuous desire and

>took on the connotation of something bad, an "evil" or "negative" feeling.

>It now means "2. Sensuous desire; bodily appetite; commonly, sexual desire

>as a degrading passion." (The information comes from my old Webster's; it

>should be in your edition too.)

 

My dictionary may be older - 2 a)sexual desire b) excessive sexual desire

esp. as seeking unrestrained gratification.. It may be that most common

appetite associated with the word is sexual but I have certainly heard it

used in the 20th century as a lust for power, a lust for life or as a

quality used to describe someone who approaches food, sex, shopping or any

activity with lust.

>The third meaning given is nearer to the original, but I would say it is

>.now a metaphorical use of the word, an extension of a term for

>sexual/sensuous desire to other sorts of desires. "3. Longing or eagerness

>to enjoy." I think the word now always carries the feeling of sexuality...

>physical appetite... or at least, an earthy sort of desire. It is in this

>sense that we may refer to a "lust for life" or "lust for power."

>>As for it being related to anger think of someone who

>>has a lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually there will be some

anger

>>at the root of their emotions.

>It is possible that for someone who is naturally dominant, lust might seem

>to include "lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually." But people who

>are naturally submissive also lust; for them it does not include an urge to

>power or desire to conquer. The word itself does not mean either a desire

>to overpower or a desire to be overpowered, although for a specific

>individual, one of these may be part of his own sexual make-up.

 

I used 'lust for power or lust to conquer sexually' as an example to show

that lust and sexuality are not the same thing. A naturally submissive

person having feelings of lust often feels 'overpowered' by their desires

and will be agitated or short tempered. To give a personal example I am

neither dominant or submissive but I have had a problem with food lately.

There have been times when I approached the food with a general feeling of

lust - unlike my usual approach. Something occurred in my life last year

that at first left me so shaken that I was mostly hurt and confused. As I

work through the process I started to move into the stage of anger and my

appetite increased accordingly.

>>>Yoga teaches that the root of lust is anger I wouldn't call anger a

desire.

>>As for the yoga

>>this was discussed during a philosophy class and most likely came from the

>>Chakra Samhita which is a classic text of ayurveda.

>If there is a classical text that says the root of lust is anger, I'd like

>to see the exact words.

 

Unfortunately, this was a series of verbal talks. The person giving the

series was versed in Philosophy, Sanskrit as well as Ayurveda he would weave

all three together. Throughout that particular series he often referred to

the Chakra Samhita.(which is why I said "most likely") . Coming from the

ancient language of Sanskrit I would think that lust would have included all

of the definitions.

 

The wonderful thing about yoga is that one does not have to accept words at

face value and then give back the teachings in a mechanical manner. For

myself, when I truly contemplated the issue I saw a big difference in

feeling 'lust' for someone or something and sexual desire.

 

Namaste,

Linda

 

Love,

Dharma

 

 

 

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At 04:35 31/03/99 -0600, you wrote:

>Dharma <fisher1

>

>Hi Linda,

>

>>>Lust is not the same as sexuality Webster defines it as among other things

>>>as a desire to satisfy the senses; bodily appetite or overmastering desire

>>>(a lust for power).

>

>An "overmastering desire" does NOT mean a lust to overmaster someone... it

>means a desire that overmasters the person who has the desire. It has

>nothing to do with a lust for power.

>

>"Lust" is a good old Anglo-Saxon word that meant "pleasure, longing." It

>used to mean "1. Obs. a Pleasure; liking. b Inclination; desire."

>

>Over time the word came to denote specifically sexual/sensuous desire and

>took on the connotation of something bad, an "evil" or "negative" feeling.

>It now means "2. Sensuous desire; bodily appetite; commonly, sexual desire

>as a degrading passion." (The information comes from my old Webster's; it

>should be in your edition too.)

>

>The third meaning given is nearer to the original, but I would say it is

>now a metaphorical use of the word, an extension of a term for

>sexual/sensuous desire to other sorts of desires. "3. Longing or eagerness

>to enjoy." I think the word now always carries the feeling of sexuality...

>physical appetite... or at least, an earthy sort of desire. It is in this

>sense that we may refer to a "lust for life" or "lust for power."

>

 

'Scuse me, came in a bit late on this, but drawn to reply...

 

 

Agree with Dharma on this, with respect, Linda: check out Alistair

Crowley's Thoth Tarot, and his Book of Thoth. His view of Lust is that

force that drives the will to life, something natural, celebrating. Sex

energy is a natural, powerful force, and can be used in a number of ways,

but the root is non-polarised life-force. In astrology, Pluto represents

deep, life-force level energies that are powerful -- indeed, generate power

-- but the handling of this force in ourselves and others is a matter of

awareness, not a matter of fear. Pluto issues involve our own and others'

power and how it is used and experienced. Fear of power stifles the

life-force energy, just as unbalanced use of that energy creates abuse of

power.

 

IMO, avoiding desire because we want to avoid power issues is not a

solution. That's why in astrology Plutonian energies signify delving into

our darknesses, facing our shadows, our disowned drives and fears. Then,

having integrated them into a loving whole, the Plutonian energy transforms

into the Minerva aspect, and the phoenix symbol of Scorpio rises from the

ashes. Fear is ego, as is attachment to power, or to desire. The phoenix

knows it transcends it's own death, what can it fear? Therefore what does

it need to abuse?

 

with love

Rob

 

>>>As for it being related to anger think of someone who

>>>has a lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually there will be some anger

>>>at the root of their emotions.

>

>It is possible that for someone who is naturally dominant, lust might seem

>to include "lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually." But people who

>are naturally submissive also lust; for them it does not include an urge to

>power or desire to conquer. The word itself does not mean either a desire

>to overpower or a desire to be overpowered, although for a specific

>individual, one of these may be part of his own sexual make-up.

>

>>>>>Yoga teaches that the root of lust is anger I wouldn't call anger a

desire.

>

>>>As for the yoga

>>>this was discussed during a philosophy class and most likely came from the

>>>Chakra Samhita which is a classic text of ayurveda.

>

>If there is a classical text that says the root of lust is anger, I'd like

>to see the exact words.

>

>Love,

>Dharma

>

>

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> Hmmm? What yoga might this be? The root of lust has to be continuance of

> the species. Lust is a leftover from when we were animals and it took

> sense-pleasure to drive us to continue the species through sexual

> intercourse (I.E. without a "pavlovian pleasure response" we would never

> have a reason to do it). Now of course it's no longer necessary. But how

> in the heck could it be related to anger?

>

> Lost (not lust), :-)

 

Marcia:

 

I am curious about this. It seems to me that the continuance of the

species is rooted in instinct whereas as lust seems to me to be more

imaginative at its root which seems to me to confine it to man. I am

turning this one round and round to get a look at it from all angles

or angels depending on whether you are sitting on the head of a

pin or not. :-)

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>Dharma <fisher1

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>Hi Linda,

>

>>>Lust is not the same as sexuality Webster defines it as among other

things

>>>as a desire to satisfy the senses; bodily appetite or overmastering

desire

>>>(a lust for power).

>

>An "overmastering desire" does NOT mean a lust to overmaster someone... it

>means a desire that overmasters the person who has the desire. It has

>nothing to do with a lust for power.

>

>"Lust" is a good old Anglo-Saxon word that meant "pleasure, longing." It

>used to mean "1. Obs. a Pleasure; liking. b Inclination; desire."

>

>Over time the word came to denote specifically sexual/sensuous desire and

>took on the connotation of something bad, an "evil" or "negative" feeling.

>It now means "2. Sensuous desire; bodily appetite; commonly, sexual desire

>as a degrading passion." (The information comes from my old Webster's; it

>should be in your edition too.)

>

>The third meaning given is nearer to the original, but I would say it is

>now a metaphorical use of the word, an extension of a term for

>sexual/sensuous desire to other sorts of desires. "3. Longing or eagerness

>to enjoy." I think the word now always carries the feeling of sexuality...

>physical appetite... or at least, an earthy sort of desire. It is in this

>sense that we may refer to a "lust for life" or "lust for power."

>

 

'Scuse me, came in a bit late on this, but drawn to reply...

 

>Agree with Dharma on this, with respect, Linda: check out Alistair

>Crowley's Thoth Tarot, and his Book of Thoth. His view of Lust is that

>force that drives the will to life, something natural, celebrating. Sex

>energy is a natural, powerful force, and can be used in a number of ways,

>but the root is non-polarised life-force. In astrology, Pluto represents

>deep, life-force level energies that are powerful -- indeed, generate power

->- but the handling of this force in ourselves and others is a matter of

>awareness, not a matter of fear. Pluto issues involve our own and others'

>power and how it is used and experienced. Fear of power stifles the

>life-force energy, just as unbalanced use of that energy creates abuse of

>power.

 

Hi Rob,

 

I understand what you are saying....however, if I understand you correctly

Crowley views Lust as a force that drives the will to life...the power

behind the sex....not the sex itself. Some people's drive to life might not

be sex there could be a drive for something else that they perceive as

necessary to live .From a yoga standpoint you appear to be discussing the

energy that arise from the 3rd chakra - which is also considered to be one

of the chakras that houses not only one's will but also one's anger. I am

not saying that there is anything unnatural about sex, I'm simply saying

that sex is not lust.

 

While Pluto can be a most spiritualizing and transforming energy it is also

present in a large number of charts where violent crime has been committed

>IMO, avoiding desire because we want to avoid power issues is not a

>solution. That's why in astrology Plutonian energies signify delving into

>our darknesses, facing our shadows, our disowned drives and fears. Then,

>having integrated them into a loving whole, the Plutonian energy transforms

>into the Minerva aspect, and the phoenix symbol of Scorpio rises from the

>ashes. Fear is ego, as is attachment to power, or to desire. The phoenix

>knows it transcends it's own death, what can it fear? Therefore what does

>it need to abuse?

 

Of course, when one confronts their darkness and integrates all aspects of

self there is nothing left to fear. Knowledge and use of the knowledge of

yoga, astrology, tarot and any form of spiritualizing transformative tools

is only necessary before one has integrated and moved into 'oneness'. After

the work is done all just is. :).

 

Love,

Linda

with love

Rob

 

>>>As for it being related to anger think of someone who

>>>has a lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually there will be some

anger

>>>at the root of their emotions.

>

>It is possible that for someone who is naturally dominant, lust might seem

>to include "lust for power or a lust to conquer sexually." But people who

>are naturally submissive also lust; for them it does not include an urge to

>power or desire to conquer. The word itself does not mean either a desire

>to overpower or a desire to be overpowered, although for a specific

>individual, one of these may be part of his own sexual make-up.

>

>>>>>Yoga teaches that the root of lust is anger I wouldn't call anger a

desire.

>

>>>As for the yoga

>>>this was discussed during a philosophy class and most likely came from

the

>>>Chakra Samhita which is a classic text of ayurveda.

>

>If there is a classical text that says the root of lust is anger, I'd like

>to see the exact words.

>

>Love,

>Dharma

>

>

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Hey Robert,

 

>Agree with Dharma on this, with respect, Linda: check out Alistair

>Crowley's Thoth Tarot, and his Book of Thoth. His view of Lust is that

>force that drives the will to life, something natural, celebrating. Sex

>energy is a natural, powerful force, and can be used in a number of ways,

>but the root is non-polarised life-force. In astrology, Pluto represents

>deep, life-force level energies that are powerful -- indeed, generate power

>-- but the handling of this force in ourselves and others is a matter of

>awareness, not a matter of fear. Pluto issues involve our own and others'

>power and how it is used and experienced. Fear of power stifles the

>life-force energy, just as unbalanced use of that energy creates abuse of

>power.

>

>IMO, avoiding desire because we want to avoid power issues is not a

>solution. That's why in astrology Plutonian energies signify delving into

>our darknesses, facing our shadows, our disowned drives and fears. Then,

>having integrated them into a loving whole, the Plutonian energy transforms

>into the Minerva aspect, and the phoenix symbol of Scorpio rises from the

>ashes. Fear is ego, as is attachment to power, or to desire. The phoenix

>knows it transcends it's own death, what can it fear? Therefore what does

>it need to abuse?

 

Spoken like a true Scorpio! ...oops... Phoenix, I mean. :))

 

Love,

Dharma

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Hi Linda,

>While Pluto can be a most spiritualizing and transforming energy it is also

>present in a large number of charts where violent crime has been committed

 

But of course you aren't an astrologer... Pluto is present in _every_ chart.

 

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Hi Linda,

 

As always, I hear the wisdom you

offer, and the beautiful heart

that shares it.

 

Thank you for all you share,

and the Spirit in which you give.

 

Your humor and gentle caring is like

a breath of fresh air to me.

 

Love to you,

Melody

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Hello Dharma,

 

Correction: "While Pluto.....it is also strong .......has been committed."

 

Of course, Pluto is present in all charts but not necessarily involved in

strong or active patterns. I studied and practiced western astrology for 20

years and am currently a certified Vedic Astrologer. BTW - Vedic Astrology

does not generally include Pluto though some do use it if it is strong in a

chart. An interesting side note to Vedic Astrology's viewpoint on

sexuality - it is considered one of the activities of the 12th house - one

of the three moksha or liberation areas of a chart. The 12th house is

considered one of the strongest areas for spiritual enlightenment and

renunciation - a bit different from the viewpoint of putting sexuality in

the 8th house of death - a bit more like looking at sex as a merging of the

Siva/Shakti energies rather than an activity driven by lust.

 

Namaste,

Linda

 

 

 

 

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Wednesday, March 31, 1999 12:55 PM

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Dharma <fisher1

 

Hi Linda,

>While Pluto can be a most spiritualizing and transforming energy it is also

>present in a large number of charts where violent crime has been committed

 

But of course you aren't an astrologer... Pluto is present in _every_

chart.

 

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Dear Melody,

 

Thank you. It's always nice to hear the harmony from your melodies. :)

 

Love,

Linda

 

 

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Wednesday, March 31, 1999 1:35 PM

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Melody <melody

 

 

Hi Linda,

 

As always, I hear the wisdom you

offer, and the beautiful heart

that shares it.

 

Thank you for all you share,

and the Spirit in which you give.

 

Your humor and gentle caring is like

a breath of fresh air to me.

 

Love to you,

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But, Dharma, Robert's a Taurus!

<grin>

gill

> Dharma <fisher1

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> Hey Robert,

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> Spoken like a true Scorpio! ...oops... Phoenix, I mean. :))

>

> Love,

> Dharma

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Linda Callanan wrote:

> Of course, Pluto is present in all charts but not necessarily involved in

> strong or active patterns. I studied and practiced western astrology for 20

> years and am currently a certified Vedic Astrologer. BTW - Vedic Astrology

> does not generally include Pluto though some do use it if it is strong in a

> chart. An interesting side note to Vedic Astrology's viewpoint on

> sexuality - it is considered one of the activities of the 12th house - one

> of the three moksha or liberation areas of a chart. The 12th house is

> considered one of the strongest areas for spiritual enlightenment and

> renunciation - a bit different from the viewpoint of putting sexuality in

> the 8th house of death - a bit more like looking at sex as a merging of the

> Siva/Shakti energies rather than an activity driven by lust.

 

Marcia:

 

This is really off topic but I am curious about intercepts. I have not

found anything which explains the meaning or significance if any

of intercepts. I have an Aries intercept in the 12th House. Within

that intercept is an Aries Sun, Aries Mercury, Aries Venus and Aries

Mars.It seems like intercepts might be sort of like "nested" somethings.

Another question if I may be so bold is what significance does the

planet which (I am not sure how to ask this) is on the horizon (?)

of a house? For instance because my rising is in Taurus and with

an Aries intercept in the 12th House that puts Pisces on the horizon

of the 12th House in my chart. I have no idea if my question is clear

or not. In other words because my rising is in Taurus that means

if I had any planets in the first house than I would have Taurus energy

and first house issues and the focus of the whatever planet it was.

Does that make sense? I actually do have lots of Aries energy working

on 12th Houses issues but how does the fact that that House in my

chart is also influenced by Pisces?

 

I can put a check in the mail if you charge. :-)

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Marcia Paul <jacpa

 

Marcia:

 

I am curious about this. It seems to me that the continuance of the

species is rooted in instinct whereas as lust seems to me to be more

imaginative at its root which seems to me to confine it to man. I am

turning this one round and round to get a look at it from all angles

or angels depending on whether you are sitting on the head of a

pin or not. :-)

 

Harsha: Hi Marcia. Could you clarify this. Are you saying that only men lust

and women do not lust. There are probably lot of individual differences but

sociological and psychological literature supports findings that both men

and women lust. There is even evidence that in some situations women can

sexually exploit men. There has been a lot of serious scholarship in this

area if anyone is interested.

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>"Gill Collingwood" <Gill

>

>But, Dharma, Robert's a Taurus!

><grin>

>gill

 

Really, Gill? Oh well, that's like a photographic negative of a Scorpio!

:))) Opposite signs, you know...

 

I thought he must be Scorpio because he understands it so well... so many

people don't... it's the most misunderstood sign...

 

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> {snipped}

>> Spoken like a true Scorpio! ...oops... Phoenix, I mean. :))

>>

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>> Dharma

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Marcia:

 

Man = Human i.e. both genders in distinction from

other animals which do not have self awareness.

I don't have to go to psychological or sociological

literature to know that women lust. Ha Ha.

 

Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote:

> "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar

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> Marcia Paul [jacpa]

> Wednesday, March 31, 1999 11:52 AM

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> Re: TWO TOPICS]

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> Marcia Paul <jacpa

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> Marcia:

>

> I am curious about this. It seems to me that the continuance of the

> species is rooted in instinct whereas as lust seems to me to be more

> imaginative at its root which seems to me to confine it to man. I am

> turning this one round and round to get a look at it from all angles

> or angels depending on whether you are sitting on the head of a

> pin or not. :-)

>

> Harsha: Hi Marcia. Could you clarify this. Are you saying that only men lust

> and women do not lust. There are probably lot of individual differences but

> sociological and psychological literature supports findings that both men

> and women lust. There is even evidence that in some situations women can

> sexually exploit men. There has been a lot of serious scholarship in this

> area if anyone is interested.

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Hi Linda,

>Of course, Pluto is present in all charts but not necessarily involved in

>strong or active patterns. I studied and practiced western astrology for 20

>years and am currently a certified Vedic Astrologer. BTW - Vedic Astrology

>does not generally include Pluto though some do use it if it is strong in a

>chart.

 

Hmm, I don't know Vedic astrology... it wouldn't have occurred to me that

they might do charts without Pluto... Do they also leave out Neptune and

Uranus?

>An interesting side note to Vedic Astrology's viewpoint on

>sexuality - it is considered one of the activities of the 12th house - one

>of the three moksha or liberation areas of a chart. The 12th house is

>considered one of the strongest areas for spiritual enlightenment and

>renunciation - a bit different from the viewpoint of putting sexuality in

>the 8th house of death - a bit more like looking at sex as a merging of the

>Siva/Shakti energies rather than an activity driven by lust.

 

I'm not sure whether that's meant as a characterization of Western

astrology... it isn't much like the astrology I know. 8th house is death,

rebirth, & transformation, also sex and the occult, other people's money,

etc. Actual physical death is not shown so simply; it involves more than

one house. I doubt that it can be predicted with certainty. Evangeline

Adams said everyone gets about three death charts per year, and all but one

of them mean transformation and rebirth.

 

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Dharma

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Hi

 

Just got in and read the responses :)

 

Whoa, Gill, you blew my cover... :)

 

Yes, us Taureans *should* know something about Scorpio: that's our shadow

side! Deep respect for the Scorpio, no choice about that... So what would a

Scorpio see in the sign of Taurus, I wonder? I think we're a bit

misunderstood too (especially by ourselves).

 

Incidentally (cue a ramble, have delete key ready) I've been getting Pluto

transiting my natal Saturn, and it's been a learning, as they say... Oddly,

astrologers told me "oh dear, this is going to be tough, you're going to go

through some serious umska in the next X months, you'll suffer, oh God

you'll suffer, but afterwards you'll be grateful" etc -- sort of

Calvinistic astrology, apparently. Well, what I got instead was a

tremendously powerful feeling like a radioactive isotope inside me,

contained in lead casing, with a keyhole which I could open slightly and

beam out a ray of powerful energy wherever/whenever I wanted it. Total

focus. No prairie fire, no Fascism, no obsessive desires. Nice. Not that my

life has been without dramatic ups and downs, but that's really nothing

new. Everything just seemed to deepen, and my ability to deal with it too.

And that to me was a personal ownership of some of my own power, without

old fears. The power that drives the flower...

 

Oh, right, so this ties in with the business of Will. What is it composed

of? Where does it come from? Is it merely controlling, or is it an

emanation of one's inner Intent, which comes from a place beyond one's

gain/loss perspective? (As if you can't guess my perspective on this...)

 

Also incidentally, there's going to be a major co-incidence of planets on

Taurus in y2K (I'll get a closer date for you). While the energies reside

in Taurus, they will point towards Scorpio, and should bring forth some

interesting stuff for us all. At least we'll be well earthed... :)

 

'Scuse the ramble, just enjoying the sunshine. Hope it's shining on you

wherever you are...

 

 

Rob

 

At 15:55 31/03/99 -0600, you wrote:

>Dharma <fisher1

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>>"Gill Collingwood" <Gill

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>>But, Dharma, Robert's a Taurus!

>><grin>

>>gill

>

>Really, Gill? Oh well, that's like a photographic negative of a Scorpio!

>:))) Opposite signs, you know...

>

>I thought he must be Scorpio because he understands it so well... so many

>people don't... it's the most misunderstood sign...

>

>

>>> Dharma <fisher1

>>>

>>> Hey Robert,

>> {snipped}

>>> Spoken like a true Scorpio! ...oops... Phoenix, I mean. :))

>>>

>>> Love,

>>> Dharma

>>> (another Phoenix)

>>

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