Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Saw 3 folks walking, toward a mountain, rather tall. one, with eyes of prism saw many ways and may alls. one with eyes of tunnel saw one way, could not see even her companions. the third had not eyes at all, no face either. strangely enough, she was leading She saw by the midnight sun, and the clapping trees gave her ovation. Somewhere between now and then, She was seen dancing in elation. --janpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Are Monism and Dualism Reconcilable? SHLOKA 143 Monists, from their mountaintop perspective, perceive a one reality in all things. Dualists, from the foothills, see God, souls and world as eternally separate. Monistic theism is the perfect reconciliation of these two views. Aum. BHASHYA Visualize a mountain and the path leading to its icy summit. As the climber traverses the lower ranges, he sees the meadows, the passes, the giant boulders. This we can liken to dualism, the natural, theistic state where God and man are different. Reaching the summit, the climber sees that the many parts are actually a one mountain. This realization is likened to pure monism. Unfortunately, many monists, reaching the summit, teach a denial of the foothills they themselves climbed on the way to their monistic platform. However, by going a little higher, lifting the kundalini into the space above the mountain's peak, the entire Truth is known. The bottom and the top are viewed as a one whole, just as theism and monism are accepted by the awakened soul. Monistic theism, Advaita Ishvaravada, reconciles the dichotomy of being and becoming, the apparent contradiction of God's eternality and temporal activity, the confusion of good and evil, the impasse of one and two. The Vedas affirm, "He who knows this becomes a knower of the One and of duality, he who has attained to the oneness of the One, to the self-same nature." Aum Namah Sivaya. Harsha: Very beautiful and profound. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us Marcus. In gratitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Tim Harris wrote: > Tim Harris <harris > > Yes. It must be very disappointing to travel to the top of God's > mountain to find that God is not there. One would, I suppose, be > inclined to assume the position and wait for others to find their way > while God, on the other hand, is left to single-handedly gather the > strays. I wonder if God, after finally getting the entire heard to the > top of the mountain would be treated as a worthless student by the one > that sits in his throne and claims to be master? This is the case from > my perspective. one Q from the non-theist of the group, Who's god anyways ? the thing is, defined correctly, even i'll end up agreeing on certain defintions. --jt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Yes. It must be very disappointing to travel to the top of God's mountain to find that God is not there. One would, I suppose, be inclined to assume the position and wait for others to find their way while God, on the other hand, is left to single-handedly gather the strays. I wonder if God, after finally getting the entire heard to the top of the mountain would be treated as a worthless student by the one that sits in his throne and claims to be master? This is the case from my perspective. Regards. Tim Harris > SHLOKA 143 > > Monists, from their mountaintop perspective, perceive a one reality in > all > things. Dualists, from the foothills, see God, souls and world as > eternally > separate. Monistic theism is the perfect reconciliation of these two > views. > Aum. > > -- For more information on the CASUAL ENLIGHTENMENT METHOD please visit: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/4908/index.html ICQ # 34365156 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 > one Q from the non-theist of the group, Who's god anyways ? > > the thing is, defined correctly, even i'll end up agreeing on certain > defintions. > > > --jt > > Damn all of you! lol. Shhheeesshhh! I suppose you all know how they get the filling in the Caramilk bar too. Man we have a tough crowd of realizers today. Regards. Tim Harris -- For more information on the CASUAL ENLIGHTENMENT METHOD please visit: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/4908/index.html ICQ # 34365156 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Are Monism and Dualism Reconcilable? SHLOKA 143 Monists, from their mountaintop perspective, perceive a one reality in all things. Dualists, from the foothills, see God, souls and world as eternally separate. Monistic theism is the perfect reconciliation of these two views. Aum. BHASHYA Visualize a mountain and the path leading to its icy summit. As the climber traverses the lower ranges, he sees the meadows, the passes, the giant boulders. This we can liken to dualism, the natural, theistic state where God and man are different. Reaching the summit, the climber sees that the many parts are actually a one mountain. This realization is likened to pure monism. Unfortunately, many monists, reaching the summit, teach a denial of the foothills they themselves climbed on the way to their monistic platform. However, by going a little higher, lifting the kundalini into the space above the mountain's peak, the entire Truth is known. The bottom and the top are viewed as a one whole, just as theism and monism are accepted by the awakened soul. Monistic theism, Advaita Ishvaravada, reconciles the dichotomy of being and becoming, the apparent contradiction of God's eternality and temporal activity, the confusion of good and evil, the impasse of one and two. The Vedas affirm, "He who knows this becomes a knower of the One and of duality, he who has attained to the oneness of the One, to the self-same nature." Aum Namah Sivaya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 > "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01 > [...] > one Q from the non-theist of the group, Who's god anyways ? > > the thing is, defined correctly, even i'll end up agreeing on certain > defintions. > > > --jt The term "god" can have various meanings. If it means Nirguna Brahman, it usually is translated as the (unqualified) Absolute. The "union with Brahman", referring to this, asked how to attain by two Brahmin youngsters, was a question Buddha could answer. Saguna Brahman (qualified Absolute) is the phenomenal dimension of reality composed of the three gunas (qualities) of nature. The formless is difficult to meditate upon, whereas "god with form" can take any form. The physical form of the guru is Saguna Brahman whereas his/her real nature is Nirguna Brahman. The above is a simplification but it gives the idea... Purohit Swami has a comment on the matter: God, though without form, is with form too; He has the power to take any form according to the wish of the devotee. The yogi who wants to meditate on a form, may choose any form he likes, concentrate on it and solve his problem. Generally, form means desire, desire means action, action creates happiness or pain, happiness or pain creates a long chain of action in return; but God, though with a form, is not affected by desire and consequently is untouched by action and its result. If man wants to go beyond all desire, all action; if man wants to go beyond all happiness and misery, he should meditate on God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, jb wrote: > > Purohit Swami has a comment on the matter: > > God, though without form, is with form too; He has the power to take any > form according to the wish of the devotee. The yogi who wants to meditate on > a form, may choose any form he likes, concentrate on it and solve his > problem. Generally, form means desire, desire means action, action creates > happiness or pain, happiness or pain creates a long chain of action in > return; but God, though with a form, is not affected by desire and > consequently is untouched by action and its result. If man wants to go > beyond all desire, all action; if man wants to go beyond all happiness and > misery, he should meditate on God. from the Prajnaparamitahrydaya: "Shariputra, form does not differ from emptiness, emptiness does not differ from form, that which form is emptiness that which is emptiness form... --jt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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