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Saw 3 folks walking,

 

toward a mountain, rather tall.

 

one, with eyes of prism

saw many ways and may alls.

 

one with eyes of tunnel

saw one way, could not see even

her companions.

 

the third had not eyes at all,

no face either.

 

strangely enough, she was leading

 

She saw by the midnight sun,

and the clapping trees gave her ovation.

 

Somewhere between now and then,

She was seen dancing

in elation.

 

--janpa

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Are Monism and Dualism Reconcilable?

 

SHLOKA 143

 

Monists, from their mountaintop perspective, perceive a one reality in all

things. Dualists, from the foothills, see God, souls and world as

eternally

separate. Monistic theism is the perfect reconciliation of these two

views.

Aum.

 

BHASHYA

 

Visualize a mountain and the path leading to its icy summit. As the

climber

traverses the lower ranges, he sees the meadows, the passes, the giant

boulders. This we can liken to dualism, the natural, theistic state where

God and man are different. Reaching the summit, the climber sees that the

many parts are actually a one mountain. This realization is likened to

pure

monism. Unfortunately, many monists, reaching the summit, teach a denial

of

the foothills they themselves climbed on the way to their monistic

platform. However, by going a little higher, lifting the kundalini into

the

space above the mountain's peak, the entire Truth is known. The bottom and

the top are viewed as a one whole, just as theism and monism are accepted

by the awakened soul. Monistic theism, Advaita Ishvaravada, reconciles the

dichotomy of being and becoming, the apparent contradiction of God's

eternality and temporal activity, the confusion of good and evil, the

impasse of one and two. The Vedas affirm, "He who knows this becomes a

knower of the One and of duality, he who has attained to the oneness of

the

One, to the self-same nature." Aum Namah Sivaya.

 

 

 

Harsha: Very beautiful and profound. Thank you for sharing your knowledge

with us Marcus. In gratitude.

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On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Tim Harris wrote:

> Tim Harris <harris

>

> Yes. It must be very disappointing to travel to the top of God's

> mountain to find that God is not there. One would, I suppose, be

> inclined to assume the position and wait for others to find their way

> while God, on the other hand, is left to single-handedly gather the

> strays. I wonder if God, after finally getting the entire heard to the

> top of the mountain would be treated as a worthless student by the one

> that sits in his throne and claims to be master? This is the case from

> my perspective.

 

one Q from the non-theist of the group, Who's god anyways ;)?

 

the thing is, defined correctly, even i'll end up agreeing on certain

defintions.

 

:D

--jt

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Yes. It must be very disappointing to travel to the top of God's

mountain to find that God is not there. One would, I suppose, be

inclined to assume the position and wait for others to find their way

while God, on the other hand, is left to single-handedly gather the

strays. I wonder if God, after finally getting the entire heard to the

top of the mountain would be treated as a worthless student by the one

that sits in his throne and claims to be master? This is the case from

my perspective.

 

Regards.

 

Tim Harris

 

> SHLOKA 143

>

> Monists, from their mountaintop perspective, perceive a one reality in

> all

> things. Dualists, from the foothills, see God, souls and world as

> eternally

> separate. Monistic theism is the perfect reconciliation of these two

> views.

> Aum.

>

>

 

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> one Q from the non-theist of the group, Who's god anyways ;)?

>

> the thing is, defined correctly, even i'll end up agreeing on certain

> defintions.

>

> :D

> --jt

>

>

 

Damn all of you! lol. Shhheeesshhh! I suppose you all know how they get the

filling in the Caramilk bar too. Man we have a tough crowd of realizers

today.

 

Regards.

 

Tim Harris

 

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Are Monism and Dualism Reconcilable?

 

SHLOKA 143

 

Monists, from their mountaintop perspective, perceive a one reality in all

things. Dualists, from the foothills, see God, souls and world as eternally

separate. Monistic theism is the perfect reconciliation of these two views.

Aum.

 

BHASHYA

 

Visualize a mountain and the path leading to its icy summit. As the climber

traverses the lower ranges, he sees the meadows, the passes, the giant

boulders. This we can liken to dualism, the natural, theistic state where

God and man are different. Reaching the summit, the climber sees that the

many parts are actually a one mountain. This realization is likened to pure

monism. Unfortunately, many monists, reaching the summit, teach a denial of

the foothills they themselves climbed on the way to their monistic

platform. However, by going a little higher, lifting the kundalini into the

space above the mountain's peak, the entire Truth is known. The bottom and

the top are viewed as a one whole, just as theism and monism are accepted

by the awakened soul. Monistic theism, Advaita Ishvaravada, reconciles the

dichotomy of being and becoming, the apparent contradiction of God's

eternality and temporal activity, the confusion of good and evil, the

impasse of one and two. The Vedas affirm, "He who knows this becomes a

knower of the One and of duality, he who has attained to the oneness of the

One, to the self-same nature." Aum Namah Sivaya.

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> "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01

> [...]

> one Q from the non-theist of the group, Who's god anyways ;)?

>

> the thing is, defined correctly, even i'll end up agreeing on certain

> defintions.

>

> :D

> --jt

 

The term "god" can have various meanings. If it means Nirguna Brahman, it

usually is translated as the (unqualified) Absolute. The "union with

Brahman", referring to this, asked how to attain by two Brahmin youngsters,

was a question Buddha could answer. Saguna Brahman (qualified Absolute) is

the phenomenal dimension of reality composed of the three gunas (qualities)

of nature. The formless is difficult to meditate upon, whereas "god with

form" can take any form. The physical form of the guru is Saguna Brahman

whereas his/her real nature is Nirguna Brahman. The above is a

simplification but it gives the idea...

 

Purohit Swami has a comment on the matter:

 

God, though without form, is with form too; He has the power to take any

form according to the wish of the devotee. The yogi who wants to meditate on

a form, may choose any form he likes, concentrate on it and solve his

problem. Generally, form means desire, desire means action, action creates

happiness or pain, happiness or pain creates a long chain of action in

return; but God, though with a form, is not affected by desire and

consequently is untouched by action and its result. If man wants to go

beyond all desire, all action; if man wants to go beyond all happiness and

misery, he should meditate on God.

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On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, jb wrote:

>

> Purohit Swami has a comment on the matter:

>

> God, though without form, is with form too; He has the power to take any

> form according to the wish of the devotee. The yogi who wants to meditate on

> a form, may choose any form he likes, concentrate on it and solve his

> problem. Generally, form means desire, desire means action, action creates

> happiness or pain, happiness or pain creates a long chain of action in

> return; but God, though with a form, is not affected by desire and

> consequently is untouched by action and its result. If man wants to go

> beyond all desire, all action; if man wants to go beyond all happiness and

> misery, he should meditate on God.

 

from the Prajnaparamitahrydaya:

 

"Shariputra, form does not differ from emptiness, emptiness does not

differ from form, that which form is emptiness that which is emptiness

form...

 

--jt

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