Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 Thank you Jan, Marcus, Janpa, Mic, Carolyn, Judy, Mike, Bruce, Sam, David, Holly, Maureen, Gloria, Dharma, Tim, Rob, Marcia, Melody, Gill, Tony, Linda, Christiana, Gene, Jerry, Chris, Antoine, and so many others for your sharing in silence and in words and your many wise posts, beautiful poetry, and insights. As you know the foundation of this list is built on the Satsangha based on the philosophy of divine love and nonviolence. All discussions are in that context. In this world, where conflict, struggle and wars have been the rule, there have been sages such as Mahavir who have explicitly stated that Non-violence is the cardinal principle to live by if one wants to give peace and attain peace. Buddha has emphasized compassion. In Hinduism, Ahimsa is considered the first principle of the spiritual life. Ramana Maharshi, the great sage of Arunachala has clearly stated, Ahimsa Param Dharma. Nonviolence is the most beautiful expression and manifestation of the unconditioned recognition of the Nature of Reality. Jan has posted before on Ahimsa extensivley. Perhaps he can do so again. I will try to post on it as well in the next few days. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 Dear Harsha Satsang is conducted in an atmosphere of non violence as I hope we are all in search of Truth. I do not have much personal knowledge of the written words concerning divine love and nonviolence but I would like to respectfully point out that that God if far from non - violent . Generation Order Destruction could sum up some aspects of GOD. There was a program on TV recently entititled " The violent Earth" the section I watched was about fire and how nature in the form of the giant sycamore tree benefited from forest fire that cleared the ground and in fact with out regular forrest fire the tree would fail to propogate. Volcanoes create havoc endangering all but they too are absolutely necessary to Gods scheme of things. It was found that the ash layer and lava base actually replenished lost nutrients lost through over farming The best oranges in the world grow near volcanos. How many times has the human population of the world been drasticaly thined by Fire Flood etc? How many times has the earth tilted. How many yugas ( is that the right word?) have we experienced? Did Atlatis exist only to dissapear as a natural event? How did a very primative race all of a sudden get the technology required to build pyramids? How is it that we have similar pyramids in a distant continent? No body can even say for sure when or why they were built. Yogananda for me is easy to understand as he talks about Gods dream the movie that we are all part of. There would be no drama with out duality. The dark comes from the same source as the light etc. He says God gave us choice in the hope that we would choose to love Him rather than the play things He gave us in this world of Maya. I believe it is true that we are co -creators with God and believe that as more of us start to "wake up" there is less need for the destrutive part of God as we give Him permission ( because He gave us freedom of choice He cant act without our permission) through our love for Him, to bring about the prophesised next Golden age. This is my opinion at my present stage of spiritual development and may well change as I am influenced by those on this list whom I consider to be my unoficial mentors. Sai Ram Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 Dear Chris, Satsang is the association with truth. In our perception of truth we are invited to look beyond what is apparent to what is real. Real is what is eternal. Within and beyond the chaos is always stillness. Find That. This who we are. Namaste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 The message <307174DBB8B1D211AE1200105AE7B8D07FDC@GARUDA> from "Haueter, Dirk" <Dirk_Haueter contains these words: > "Haueter, Dirk" <Dirk_Haueter > Dear Chris, > Satsang is the association with truth. In our perception of truth we are > invited to look beyond what is apparent to what is real. Real is what is > eternal. Within and beyond the chaos is always stillness. Find That. This > who we are. > Namaste Than you for puting it so simply. As yet I am a spiritual illiterate ( cant spell either) but open minded. Chris Sai Ram > ------ > We have a new web site! > > Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 Dear Harsha, Much Love to you too, my Brother. Apologies again for externalizing my inner conflicts in your Satsangha here. Since that incident I have experienced and learned a great deal, and I don't think it's going to happen again. Love and Peace, Tim At 10:28 AM 4/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >"Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar > >Thank you Jan, Marcus, Janpa, Mic, Carolyn, Judy, Mike, Bruce, Sam, David, >Holly, Maureen, Gloria, Dharma, Tim, Rob, Marcia, Melody, Gill, Tony, Linda, >Christiana, Gene, Jerry, Chris, Antoine, and so many others for your sharing >in silence and in words and your many wise posts, beautiful poetry, and >insights. As you know the foundation of this list is built on the Satsangha >based on the philosophy of divine love and nonviolence. All discussions are >in that context. In this world, where conflict, struggle and wars have been >the rule, there have been sages such as Mahavir who have explicitly stated >that Non-violence is the cardinal principle to live by if one wants to give >peace and attain peace. Buddha has emphasized compassion. In Hinduism, >Ahimsa is considered the first principle of the spiritual life. Ramana >Maharshi, the great sage of Arunachala has clearly stated, Ahimsa Param >Dharma. Nonviolence is the most beautiful expression and manifestation of >the unconditioned recognition of the Nature of Reality. Jan has posted >before on Ahimsa extensivley. Perhaps he can do so again. I will try to post >on it as well in the next few days. > >Love to all >Harsha ----- Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on Spiritual Topics. Tim's Windows and DOS Shareware/Freeware is at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/shareware.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 Chris Hughes [aird.house] Thursday, April 01, 1999 11:32 AM Re: The Dance of Existence Chris Hughes <aird.house Dear Harsha Satsang is conducted in an atmosphere of non violence as I hope we are all in search of Truth. I do not have much personal knowledge of the written words concerning divine love and nonviolence but I would like to respectfully point out that that God if far from non - violent . Generation Order Destruction could sum up some aspects of GOD. There was a program on TV recently entititled " The violent Earth" the section I watched was about fire and how nature in the form of the giant sycamore tree benefited from forest fire that cleared the ground and in fact with out regular forrest fire the tree would fail to propogate. Volcanoes create havoc endangering all but they too are absolutely necessary to Gods scheme of things. It was found that the ash layer and lava base actually replenished lost nutrients lost through over farming The best oranges in the world grow near volcanos. How many times has the human population of the world been drasticaly thined by Fire Flood etc? How many times has the earth tilted. How many yugas ( is that the right word?) have we experienced? Did Atlatis exist only to dissapear as a natural event? How did a very primative race all of a sudden get the technology required to build pyramids? How is it that we have similar pyramids in a distant continent? No body can even say for sure when or why they were built. Yogananda for me is easy to understand as he talks about Gods dream the movie that we are all part of. There would be no drama with out duality. The dark comes from the same source as the light etc. He says God gave us choice in the hope that we would choose to love Him rather than the play things He gave us in this world of Maya. I believe it is true that we are co -creators with God and believe that as more of us start to "wake up" there is less need for the destrutive part of God as we give Him permission ( because He gave us freedom of choice He cant act without our permission) through our love for Him, to bring about the prophesised next Golden age. This is my opinion at my present stage of spiritual development and may well change as I am influenced by those on this list whom I consider to be my unoficial mentors. Sai Ram Chris Harsha: Thank you dear Chris for your thoughtful post and for your earlier kind comments. You pointed out that nature contains much violence and that Generation Order Destruction could sum up some aspects of GOD. You are right in a way Chris. Pain and suffering are part of nature and part of life. Then we must accept that tears of compassion when they flow are also part of nature and have a rightful place. Once the great prophet of nonviolence, Mahavir, who lived more than 2500 year ago was practicing austerities in the jungle. Someone came by to upset his balance. Mahavir was insulted, abused, harassed. Pain was inflicted upon him for several days. The sage remained stoic among the distractions. Finally this person became tired, because harassing someone is hard work, and said to Mahavir, "I am leaving now." He noticed a tear drop appear in the eyes of the Sage. "What is this", the man asked. "You should be happy that I am going. I have caused you nothing but suffering." Mahavir spoke gently and said, "These tears are for the suffering you have created for yourself in the future." So the message of the sages is that in harming others we pollute our own consciousness and sow the seeds of our own suffering. Therefore, the guiding principle in living should be nonviolence, compassion, and love and this way everyone benefits. No doubt, it is easier said then done. But the reverence for all life is a simple message and it makes sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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