Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 Hi Chris, I needed so much to hear what you wrote today. At this stage of my spiritual growth I believe that violence is an essential part of life. I responded to the "Kosovo" posting a few days ago. I responded to how I would take care of the situation. I was fortunate enough to have Antoine, bring one of my statements forward and this gave me a chance to thoroughly look and listen to what I said and then to expand on it. The bottom line is that even though I have never been and am not, at present, a "violent" being, I would choose to kill, terminate or whatever it takes, to stop Malosovich. For two days now these words have been haunting me. However, I do believe that there is a time when we have to take care of ourselves. To me this is just like nature taking care of itself. I am not aware that nature may have a conscience. I do know that I do. And although my "solution" remains the same regarding a solution to the killing and hurting of thousands, I remain sad. Just "Feeling Out Loud", Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 LTRIA wrote: > > The bottom line is that even though I have never been and am not, at present, > a "violent" being, I would choose to kill, terminate or whatever it takes, to > stop Malosovich. For two days now these words have been haunting me. > > However, I do believe that there is a time when we have to take care of > ourselves. To me this is just like nature taking care of itself. I am not > aware that nature may have a conscience. I do know that I do. And although > my "solution" remains the same regarding a solution to the killing and > hurting of thousands, I remain sad. > > Just "Feeling Out Loud", > Laura Gloria here: Hi Laura, I think Bob Dole said it pretty good on the radio last night. He said it was his generation that went through the Hitler thing with genocide. He said it was something so terrible for all of them when they actually realized what happened in full...that they made a pledge to never let it happen again.(I think he was speaking of the men in the service, he was a war hero) He said, now we see it again in another form, so those of us with heart and ability to feel have to do whatever comes to us... no matter the cost. We have seen pictures for so long of people suffering, starvation, etc. but there is really something about making those people, young and old, leave their homes with no food, water, clothes...etc. And you know they are going to be out there in the winter cold, without food, no help, nothing. This is indeed something that grabs the heart. It is our humanity that screems out in pain, so we all suffer in this. Don't feel bad about it, we are one...if our brothers and sisters suffer we all suffer. This is the collective consciousness, in this way...we can reach them and hold them in our love. Even those poor soldiers that are following orders in doing these killings and destruction of the people...I really feel for them as well. Can you imagine what that is doing to them? Some are full of hate and the karma of this condition, but many are not...this is almost worse then being on the other end because of the repercussions and guilt which is to follow. God only knows the cause and effect of this stuff. There is a form of insanity at work, so the humanity is right in our face. I am watching it now they say they have children and many people who have not had anything to eat for five or six days they are afriad they can't get there fast enough for the young ones. We can only pray that the angels are gathered with them lifting them up in our love. Gloria > -----he teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ & http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 Thank you Gloria, I needed your words. I am reading and listening to all that's being shared with regard to the Kosovo tragedy. I feel so much sadness over this issue. And of course, I accept this sadness because it is real. My confusion is that among all these peaceful people, I hear no one saying how to stop him. I hear instead prayer. I am not saying prayer should not be part of our constant nature. I am saying that I fear by just praying, we are not taking responsibility for the damage that is being done. I feel a sense of urgency to STOP HIM NOW. I am a partof this earthly society. I am a part of this family, this community of humans. I do not want to just pray for the tragedy to be over. I wish I could do more. The more (because I see no other alternative) is to stop him. Now. Before more people get hurt. I do not expect a response. I am just a frustrated being lately. I heard Clinton on the tube yesterday trying to rally more support for his efforts. Trying to get more people angry. For his political agenda to continue the fighting. The bombing. As humanity hurts each other more, I hurt more. Around the bush and around the issue we go. Again and again and no one taking care of the obvious. The general public, the innocent public, suffering and dying for the politics of a few. How sad and yet how consistent and never changing we are. Never learning from our past mistakes. Feeling so much about all this. Please forgive me for being a downer. A few days ago someone posted thoughts about the possibility of organized prayer over the Kosovo Tragedy. If anyone knows more about this, I would appreciate the information. Love, Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 The message <2cfc5615.3703e66d from LTRIA contains these words: > LTRIA > Hi Chris, > I needed so much to hear what you wrote today. At this stage of my spiritual > growth I believe that violence is an essential part of life. Yes but not necessarily of your's Laura. I have been swayed by the recent post from Harsha. A story about Sai Sathya Sai was approached by a devotee who asked when he had the power to heal people why did he not heal everyone? For example there were two over there, a blind man pushing a cripple, with a body all twisted, in a wheel chair. Sai said you only see the present I see the past present and future. The devotee asked for clarification and was quickly transported to the past to see that the cripple was in a past life a cruel judge who was responsible for the torture and crippling of many an innocent and the blind man was the torturer who had taken delight in blinding the victims. The Karma was however made easier for the two to go through because of the compassion showed by the devotee. Large snip > my "solution" remains the same regarding a solution to the killing and > hurting of thousands, I remain sad. So am I Laura. I could quite easily have the perpetrator's of these terible things encarserated for life, but if faced with the situation where I was face to face with them I could not kill to save my life and reading your contributions here I do not believe for one moment you could either. If it was a situation where at that moment I could take some action short of killing to disable disarm wound to prevent some innocent being hurt then that is different. You may think I am splitting hairs. > Just "Feeling Out Loud", I am glad you do Laura God Bless You and keep you safe Chris > Laura > ------ > Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. > > Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 LTRIA wrote: > > LTRIA > > Thank you Gloria, > > I needed your words. > > I am reading and listening to all that's being shared with regard to the > Kosovo tragedy. I feel so much sadness over this issue. And of course, I > accept this sadness because it is real. > > My confusion is that among all these peaceful people, I hear no one saying > how to stop him. I hear instead prayer. I am not saying prayer should not > be part of our constant nature. I am saying that I fear by just praying, we > are not taking responsibility for the damage that is being done. I feel a > sense of urgency to STOP HIM NOW. GG Yes, I know what you are saying, but somethings in life are not just cut and dry. The mind says this is the solution, when in fact, it maynot be as easy to do this without starting a major world conflict. This is somewhat delicate with Russia putting their battleships near by as well. We don't even know if all the cards are on the table, what is behind the scenes. This is why you stay the witness, notice your feelings and thoughts about it without judgment, and just stay centered on Divine Will. > > I am a partof this earthly society. I am a part of this family, this > community of humans. I do not want to just pray for the tragedy to be over. > I wish I could do more. The more (because I see no other alternative) is to > stop him. Now. Before more people get hurt. GG That can happen if it is God's Will. If it is not, how would you see this happening? > > I do not expect a response. I am just a frustrated being lately. I heard > Clinton on the tube yesterday trying to rally more support for his efforts. > Trying to get more people angry. For his political agenda to continue the > fighting. The bombing. As humanity hurts each other more, I hurt more. > Around the bush and around the issue we go. Again and again and no one > taking care of the obvious. The general public, the innocent public, > suffering and dying for the politics of a few. How sad and yet how > consistent and never changing we are. Never learning from our past mistakes. > Feeling so much about all this. G Your not a downer, your speaking for a lot of people...but even in this we have to know that there is purpose for everything. We are souls first and we have things we are working through and sometimes it means having true suffering... as an individual, soceity, and all of this is working together. > > Please forgive me for being a downer. > > A few days ago someone posted thoughts about the possibility of organized > prayer over the Kosovo Tragedy. If anyone knows more about this, I would > appreciate the information. GG I posted that, I don't know if I have it anymore however, i dumped my trash. Maybe someone else has it. I was woke in the middle of the night last night with visions of people and faces in angony and fear, I was there working with them, in particular one family. This is where we can assist by telepathically and spiritually being with these folks to help them detach from the suffering. There comes a point in the suffering where it no longer has an effect, so that even if they move out of body to the other side they are not in agony or fear. Love is the answer for this, so as long as your heart is light and filled with love you can directly assist spiritually. If your heart is filled with hate and anger however, you can't help but send more pain into the situation.Do your spiritual homework inside and then just open up and pray that whatever is going to happen for the individual be what that soul needs at this point on the path. Gloria > > Love, Laura > > ------ > New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > > Sign up for a new email list today -- Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ & http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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