Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 Dear List(s), Despite detachment, dispassion and all that, the escalating violence in Yugoslavia is beginning to affect me. If we are truly all One, then what is done in one part of the world, to just one person, affects each one of us, and thousands upon thousands of people are suffering and fighting and raging over this war. It cannot help but begin to touch even the most dispassionate among us eventually, if one has even a shred of a heart inside. I am truly and deeply saddened and depressed over the situation. Three American soldiers are held in captivity, and have obviously been beaten senseless. There is little chance of them being released anytime soon, although Milosevich doesn't dare kill them. Downtown Belgrade is in flames. Thousands have been displaced from their homes and torn from their families, and hundreds more per day. ALL OF THIS... starting from the actions of just *one ego*. THINK ABOUT THAT. I'm positive that Milosevich wouldn't care if the entire world were in flames, as long as he kept his position of power. Let this be a lesson to us all: EGO KILLS. The ego of Milosevich, the ego of the U.N. delegates, the ego of President Clinton. These egos are killing thousands. Even though it may be all on the level of 'maya', and all these nonexistent egos are killing these people who are incapable of dying on the level of Self, the suffering is very real. Very, very real indeed to the people who are experiencing it. In Pain, Tim ----- Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on Spiritual Topics. Tim's Windows and DOS Shareware/Freeware is at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/shareware.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 > In Pain, > > Tim Tim, I love you. Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 1999 Report Share Posted April 3, 1999 Dear Antoine, At 11:35 PM 4/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >Antoine <carrea > >> In Pain, >> >> Tim > >Tim, > >I love you. > >Antoine Thank you, and I love you too. Maybe that love between Self and Self will save one family from being torn apart from each other in Serbia. Maybe it will end the war altogether. Love is an amazing power. Om Shanti, Tim ----- Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on Spiritual Topics. Tim's Windows and DOS Shareware/Freeware is at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/shareware.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 1999 Report Share Posted April 3, 1999 Hi Tim, I don't mean to use you as an example apart from the rest of us but I do wish to use your post to illustrate a point. The passion in your post although directed at a different target is in no way qualitatively different than the passion motivating the action on the opposing side. If enough of us could "hold our place" in the rising tide of passion then it would be possible to prevent an escalation which could very well lead to another major world war given time. Pulling on heart strings is not going to solve any problem. Holding steady and keeping attention, it is possible to keep certain forces in line instead of the "self calming" (Gurdjieff's word not mine) which results as the disturbing elements coming our way get projected out onto an "enemy." I believe it is possible if enough people can maintain a sense of balance in these disturbing times that the violence can be contained. Otherwise it is only going to escalate. It becomes a matter of consciousness and not dispassion but focussed passion if you will. Marcia Tim Gerchmez wrote: > Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > > Dear List(s), > > Despite detachment, dispassion and all that, the escalating violence in > Yugoslavia is beginning to affect me. If we are truly all One, then what > is done in one part of the world, to just one person, affects each one of > us, and thousands upon thousands of people are suffering and fighting and > raging over this war. It cannot help but begin to touch even the most > dispassionate among us eventually, if one has even a shred of a heart inside. > > I am truly and deeply saddened and depressed over the situation. Three > American soldiers are held in captivity, and have obviously been beaten > senseless. There is little chance of them being released anytime soon, > although Milosevich doesn't dare kill them. Downtown Belgrade is in > flames. Thousands have been displaced from their homes and torn from their > families, and hundreds more per day. > > ALL OF THIS... starting from the actions of just *one ego*. THINK ABOUT > THAT. I'm positive that Milosevich wouldn't care if the entire world were > in flames, as long as he kept his position of power. > > Let this be a lesson to us all: EGO KILLS. The ego of Milosevich, the ego > of the U.N. delegates, the ego of President Clinton. These egos are > killing thousands. Even though it may be all on the level of 'maya', and > all these nonexistent egos are killing these people who are incapable of > dying on the level of Self, the suffering is very real. Very, very real > indeed to the people who are experiencing it. > > In Pain, > > Tim > > ----- > Visit The Core of the WWW at: > http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html > Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on Spiritual Topics. > > Tim's Windows and DOS Shareware/Freeware is at: > http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/shareware.html > > ------ > Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? > > Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 1999 Report Share Posted April 3, 1999 Dear Marcia, Thank you for the post, and for showing an alternative, more positive way to view the situation. I always appreciate hearing the viewpoints of those who are able to see with clarity even in the worst situations. I'm not often gifted with this kind of insight, and so I'm grateful. With Love, Tim At 11:49 PM 4/2/99 -0800, you wrote: >Marcia Paul <jacpa > >Hi Tim, > >I don't mean to use you as an example apart from the rest >of us but I do wish to use your post to illustrate a point. >The passion in your post although directed at a different >target is in no way qualitatively different than the passion >motivating the action on the opposing side. > >If enough of us could "hold our place" in the rising tide of >passion then it would be possible to prevent an escalation >which could very well lead to another major world war >given time. > >Pulling on heart strings is not going to solve any problem. >Holding steady and keeping attention, it is possible to keep >certain forces in line instead of the "self calming" (Gurdjieff's >word not mine) which results as the disturbing elements >coming our way get projected out onto an "enemy." I believe >it is possible if enough people can maintain a sense of balance >in these disturbing times that the violence can be contained. >Otherwise it is only going to escalate. It becomes a matter of >consciousness and not dispassion but focussed passion if >you will. > >Marcia ----- Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on Spiritual Topics. Tim's Windows and DOS Shareware/Freeware is at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/shareware.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 1999 Report Share Posted April 6, 1999 Marcia, this is exactly what those who are working from Divine Will must do. Although you can feel and understand down to the bone, it is still the thoughts and emotions that will work to fuel the event. Don't confuse not getting emotional and involved as not caring or loving, it is in fact... the only thing to do that is loving. By doing this you turn it over to God and you then work from this place of witnessing. God is with every person in his/her suffering, and war is suffering...no way around it. Lets witness and see what is coming down. Gloria Marcia Paul wrote: > > Marcia Paul <jacpa > > Hi Tim, > > I don't mean to use you as an example apart from the rest > of us but I do wish to use your post to illustrate a point. > The passion in your post although directed at a different > target is in no way qualitatively different than the passion > motivating the action on the opposing side. > > If enough of us could "hold our place" in the rising tide of > passion then it would be possible to prevent an escalation > which could very well lead to another major world war > given time. > > Pulling on heart strings is not going to solve any problem. > Holding steady and keeping attention, it is possible to keep > certain forces in line instead of the "self calming" (Gurdjieff's > word not mine) which results as the disturbing elements > coming our way get projected out onto an "enemy." I believe > it is possible if enough people can maintain a sense of balance > in these disturbing times that the violence can be contained. > Otherwise it is only going to escalate. It becomes a matter of > consciousness and not dispassion but focussed passion if > you will. > > Marcia > > Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > > Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > > > > Dear List(s), > > > > Despite detachment, dispassion and all that, the escalating violence in > > Yugoslavia is beginning to affect me. If we are truly all One, then what > > is done in one part of the world, to just one person, affects each one of > > us, and thousands upon thousands of people are suffering and fighting and > > raging over this war. It cannot help but begin to touch even the most > > dispassionate among us eventually, if one has even a shred of a heart inside. > > > > I am truly and deeply saddened and depressed over the situation. Three > > American soldiers are held in captivity, and have obviously been beaten > > senseless. There is little chance of them being released anytime soon, > > although Milosevich doesn't dare kill them. Downtown Belgrade is in > > flames. Thousands have been displaced from their homes and torn from their > > families, and hundreds more per day. > > > > ALL OF THIS... starting from the actions of just *one ego*. THINK ABOUT > > THAT. I'm positive that Milosevich wouldn't care if the entire world were > > in flames, as long as he kept his position of power. > > > > Let this be a lesson to us all: EGO KILLS. The ego of Milosevich, the ego > > of the U.N. delegates, the ego of President Clinton. These egos are > > killing thousands. Even though it may be all on the level of 'maya', and > > all these nonexistent egos are killing these people who are incapable of > > dying on the level of Self, the suffering is very real. Very, very real > > indeed to the people who are experiencing it. > > > > In Pain, > > > > Tim > > > > ----- > > Visit The Core of the WWW at: > > http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html > > Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on Spiritual Topics. > > > > Tim's Windows and DOS Shareware/Freeware is at: > > http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/shareware.html > > > > ------ > > Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? > > > > Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site > > ------ > Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? > > Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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