Guest guest Posted April 10, 1999 Report Share Posted April 10, 1999 Namaste Brothers and Sisters, Tim responded:Saying what I said was like the following:- >"one doesn't become an automobile driver until one owns a racecar."< Tim said the above to describe what I was saying, but how can one be an Adwaitin if one is not non-dual and realised? Adwaita is total non-dualism, only achieved as a Jivanmukta or Mukti. One may be an automobile driver however that doesn't make one a racecar driver. Knowing what a racecar driver is doesn't make one a racecar driver. With Love, Tony. _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 1999 Report Share Posted April 10, 1999 Dear Tony, At 08:23 AM 4/10/99 -0700, you wrote: >Tony O'Clery <aoclery >Tim said the above to describe what I was saying, but how can one be an >Adwaitin if one is not non-dual and realised? Adwaita is total >non-dualism, only achieved as a Jivanmukta or Mukti. One may be an >automobile driver however that doesn't make one a racecar driver. >Knowing what a racecar driver is doesn't make one a racecar driver. These are all your own definitions, and words and definitions are also dualistic. So my point and your point is equally valid, given that both were expressed from the standpoint of dualism :-) Advaita really cannot be talked about, without sounding like a lot of nonsense. Who cares anyway about such a label as "Advaita?" The point is to experience, not to carry a label. A person fully realized cares not at all whether they are "Advaitin," Jivanmukta, Mukti, whatever. Thought is useful only to get dressed in the morning for such a person. With Love, Tim ----- Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Tim's Windows and DOS Shareware/Freeware is at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/shareware.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 1999 Report Share Posted April 10, 1999 > Tony O'Clery <aoclery > > Namaste Brothers and Sisters, > > Tim responded:Saying what I said was like the following:- >"one doesn't > become an automobile driver until one owns a > racecar."< > > Tim said the above to describe what I was saying, but how can one be an > Adwaitin if one is not non-dual and realised? The Sufi Hallaj, who proclaimed "I am the Truth", spoke out of "experience" but Sufism doesn't call itself nondual. Adwaita is total > non-dualism, only achieved as a Jivanmukta or Mukti. [...] Literature is rather vague as moksha isn't the end - it only means the duality of ego and witness has disappeared and it appears that both never existed Feelings, motives etc. will re-appear in a purified form, so it isn't total nondualism. Rosicrucians offer the appropriate terminology by calling the process leading to moksha transformation and the process starting from there transfiguration. Nondualism could be called total if transfiguration is completed. It means "Being" without being subjected to the conditions of being physically alive like breathing etc. This is rather rare and in literature only Buddha and Hermes Trismegistus could be recognized as having "arrived" at it. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 1999 Report Share Posted April 10, 1999 At 08:23 AM 4/10/99 -0700, you wrote: >Tony O'Clery <aoclery >Knowing what a racecar driver is doesn't make one a racecar driver. > >With Love, Tony. Does one *need* to be a 'race car driver'... to get from here... to here? ( /\ ) sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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