[K-list] Questions about K

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[owner-kundalini] On Behalf Of Domagoj Klepac

Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:41 AM

mumblecat; Kundalini

Re: [K-list] Questions about K

 

No, you can't control Kundalini. If she's needed, she comes, if she's

not, she doesn't. However, you're not the one to judge when she is

needed.

 

Harsha: There are several approaches to Kundalini Yoga and many different

systems. Surrender is emphasized in some paths while (at least initially)

actively raising and manipulation of Shakti is emphasized in others.

Different paths suit different individuals. Guidance may be helpful. Adepts

do not hold rigidly to views on Kundalini Shakti, well knowing that although

Her ways and manifestations are infinite, Her Source is Only That Which Is.

It is She Herself Who Reveals Herself as That.

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[owner-kundalini] On Behalf Of Jill Eggers

Thursday, April 15, 1999 9:52 AM

mikol furneaux; Kundalini mailing list posting; Amanda Erhart

Re: [K-list] Questions about K

 

At 01:44 PM 4/13/99 +1000, mikol furneaux wrote:

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>>>2: Are adept practitioners able to call it into a

>> higher degree of activity when needed ?

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Dear Amanda,

 

I agree with Blake's response. Meditation or other spiritual activity will

accelerate the kundalini activity in the person who has active k. Once it

is awakened, calling it into a higher degree of activity is usually not the

question. Instead, many (myself included) look for ways to keep it from

raging too fast and furious, so we can maintain "normal", effective

functioning in the physical world while the transformation process is

underway. In my experience, those methods include cessation of meditation

practices, daily physical exercise (like running), and sometimes eating

heavier foods.

 

Jill

 

Harsha: Thanks Jill. I had thought about you as yours is the voice of

practical experience and spiritual maturity and that is always of great

value. You are absolutely right. One has to make modifications and

adjustments when the Kundalini awakens according to one's circumstances and

inner intuition. Your advice is excellent indeed.

However, for some people leading a solitary life, the response might be to

stay in meditation for longer periods and go into different types of

Samadhis. Having guidance and seeking the proper company (Satsangha) is most

helpful. Even if one does not have physical company of seekers, reading the

books about sages and saints can create the proper mental atmosphere for

further spiritual development. El and Angelique and Kurt and others have

done great service to the community in making information on Kundalini

Shakti widely available on their forums. I will post this on

also as you are a member there and others should be aware of what you have

to offer. Thanks.

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At 10:59 AM 4/15/99 -0400, Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote:

>>However, for some people leading a solitary life, the response might be to

>stay in meditation for longer periods and go into different types of

>Samadhis. Having guidance and seeking the proper company (Satsangha) is most

>helpful. Even if one does not have physical company of seekers, reading the

>books about sages and saints can create the proper mental atmosphere for

>further spiritual development.

 

Dear Harsha and list,

 

I agree, it is a matter of balance. The absolute central pull of my

experience since the awakening of kundalini has been for greater spiritual

development. My suggestions for slowing the k process come from personal

experience that following that compelling pull is not always possible, or

advisable.

 

For example two years ago,on summer break from the university where I

teach, I spent two months in a cabin bordering a national forest, in great

solitude. I gave in to the desire to practice regular meditation again.

The experiences of samadhis was profound, but the kundalini became

overwhelming. I began to slip out of normal conciousness into states of

light, or ecstasy, in ordinary activity, falling to the floor while the

soup was cooking, things like that. My body became extremely weak. I felt

I was being consumed by this light, this fire, and was not physically

strong or pure enough to handle the energy. At that point, I realized, with

the help and advice of a very good body worker and two meditation teachers,

that I needed to slow down the process, get the relationship with the

physical world (and my body) stronger, before again following the pull into

meditative states.

 

It is hard to resist that pull, the most powerful and compelling force in

life.

But I realized I had to focus my spiritual pursuits in the realm of the

physical, in the performance of action. As you know I am an avid student

of Mahatma Gandhi and strive to follow his example (but ever so

imperfectly) of selfless service in seeking spiritual growth. My job, my

professional life, luckily, is a fertile arena for practicing this yoga.

Although I often long for more solitude, less tumult of the world, it is

through active engagement with the world that I "manage" the kundalini

activity and integrate her lessons. I

feel this is the duty, or dharma for me.

 

I went off on a tangent. I hope you don't mind.

 

Love,

 

Jill

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Jill Eggers [eggers]

Thursday, April 15, 1999 11:06 AM

Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar); 'mikol furneaux'; 'Kundalini mailing list

posting'; 'Amanda Erhart';

RE: [K-list] Questions about K

 

At 10:59 AM 4/15/99 -0400, Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote:

>>However, for some people leading a solitary life, the response might be to

>stay in meditation for longer periods and go into different types of

>Samadhis. Having guidance and seeking the proper company (Satsangha) is

most

>helpful. Even if one does not have physical company of seekers, reading the

>books about sages and saints can create the proper mental atmosphere for

>further spiritual development.

 

Dear Harsha and list,

 

I agree, it is a matter of balance. The absolute central pull of my

experience since the awakening of kundalini has been for greater spiritual

development. My suggestions for slowing the k process come from personal

experience that following that compelling pull is not always possible, or

advisable.

 

For example two years ago,on summer break from the university where I

teach, I spent two months in a cabin bordering a national forest, in great

solitude. I gave in to the desire to practice regular meditation again.

The experiences of samadhis was profound, but the kundalini became

overwhelming. I began to slip out of normal conciousness into states of

light, or ecstasy, in ordinary activity, falling to the floor while the

soup was cooking, things like that. My body became extremely weak. I felt

I was being consumed by this light, this fire, and was not physically

strong or pure enough to handle the energy. At that point, I realized, with

the help and advice of a very good body worker and two meditation teachers,

that I needed to slow down the process, get the relationship with the

physical world (and my body) stronger, before again following the pull into

meditative states.

 

It is hard to resist that pull, the most powerful and compelling force in

life.

But I realized I had to focus my spiritual pursuits in the realm of the

physical, in the performance of action. As you know I am an avid student

of Mahatma Gandhi and strive to follow his example (but ever so

imperfectly) of selfless service in seeking spiritual growth. My job, my

professional life, luckily, is a fertile arena for practicing this yoga.

Although I often long for more solitude, less tumult of the world, it is

through active engagement with the world that I "manage" the kundalini

activity and integrate her lessons. I

feel this is the duty, or dharma for me.

 

I went off on a tangent. I hope you don't mind.

 

Love,

 

Jill

 

Harsha: Thank you for sharing your experiences and wisdom Jill. I have

always noted that the insights and advice you offer are practical and of

much value to others. Your going off the tangent is a delight for the rest

of us Jill. We will have to request that you do it more often :--).

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>"Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar

>"'Jill Eggers'" <eggers, "'mikol furneaux'"

<zinecity, "'Kundalini mailing list posting'"

<kundalini, "'Amanda Erhart'" <mumblecat,

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>RE: [K-list] Questions about K

>Thu, Apr 15, 1999, 9:10 AM

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>Jill Eggers [eggers]

>Thursday, April 15, 1999 11:06 AM

>Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar); 'mikol furneaux'; 'Kundalini mailing list

>posting'; 'Amanda Erhart';

>RE: [K-list] Questions about K

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>At 10:59 AM 4/15/99 -0400, Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote:

>

>>>However, for some people leading a solitary life, the response might be to

>>stay in meditation for longer periods and go into different types of

>>Samadhis. Having guidance and seeking the proper company (Satsangha) is

>most

>>helpful. Even if one does not have physical company of seekers, reading the

>>books about sages and saints can create the proper mental atmosphere for

>>further spiritual development.

>

>Dear Harsha and list,

>

>I agree, it is a matter of balance. The absolute central pull of my

>experience since the awakening of kundalini has been for greater spiritual

>development. My suggestions for slowing the k process come from personal

>experience that following that compelling pull is not always possible, or

>advisable.

>

>For example two years ago,on summer break from the university where I

>teach, I spent two months in a cabin bordering a national forest, in great

>solitude. I gave in to the desire to practice regular meditation again.

>The experiences of samadhis was profound, but the kundalini became

>overwhelming. I began to slip out of normal conciousness into states of

>light, or ecstasy, in ordinary activity, falling to the floor while the

>soup was cooking, things like that. My body became extremely weak. I felt

>I was being consumed by this light, this fire, and was not physically

>strong or pure enough to handle the energy. At that point, I realized, with

>the help and advice of a very good body worker and two meditation teachers,

>that I needed to slow down the process, get the relationship with the

>physical world (and my body) stronger, before again following the pull into

>meditative states.

 

Gloria:

It is interesting how this works. There does seem to be a necessity if

one is going to stay in a body to use it effectively on many levels in order

to maintain the connection. This is why I find myself doing so many things.

I often have people say so when do you sleep, or where do you get the energy

for this and that...it isn't about that at all. You don't get the energy to

accomplish an act because it is not you doing it. So as long as my focus is

on (this is the state which appears to be awake...I can't tell you if I'm

really awake like normally people at all) I'm moving with it, when it goes

into release...as in that which we call sleep...you move to the next

dimension of doing the exact same thing. So in this, there is never a break

from the meditation. I see this as God manifesting him/herself

simoltaneously in many places at once. In fact, it does come to me that

there is a kind of sleep that goes on while this is going on, so in essence

those dimension portals are always coming in and out or off and on. This

kind of focus doesn't change a bit regardless if I'm sitting here talking to

someone on my computer with a room full of foster children and grandkids or

not. It is all the same.

 

I have had times when I was deep in those meditative periods, one time in

particiular after a surgery when I was just plane gone for two weeks. Oh, I

was here and talking, appeared perfectly normal. My husband said I was just

full of smiles and never asking for pain medication or anything like that

just sort of glowing. But quite literally for two weeks I wasn't there. Or

at least the part of I...which has focus and memory. Gloria

>It is hard to resist that pull, the most powerful and compelling force in

>life.

>But I realized I had to focus my spiritual pursuits in the realm of the

>physical, in the performance of action. As you know I am an avid student

>of Mahatma Gandhi and strive to follow his example (but ever so

>imperfectly) of selfless service in seeking spiritual growth. My job, my

>professional life, luckily, is a fertile arena for practicing this yoga.

>Although I often long for more solitude, less tumult of the world, it is

>through active engagement with the world that I "manage" the kundalini

>activity and integrate her lessons. I

>feel this is the duty, or dharma for me.

>

>I went off on a tangent. I hope you don't mind.

>

>Love,

>

>Jill

>

>Harsha: Thank you for sharing your experiences and wisdom Jill. I have

>always noted that the insights and advice you offer are practical and of

>much value to others. Your going off the tangent is a delight for the rest

>of us Jill. We will have to request that you do it more often :--).

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Dear Jill,

You mentioned some things about being a follower of Mahatma Ghandi. Would

you please tell me more about this? I have entertained a warm affinity for

him (what he accomplished, how he accomplished it, his ideals, etc.) for a

number of years. I suppose I am lazy for I haven't read up on him (though I

have with another of my hero's...Albert Einstein). Anyway, wish you would

tell us more about your work in this regard.

 

Wishing you well,

Connie

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At 09:05 PM 4/15/99 -0400, molecularbreeze wrote:

>"molecularbreeze" <molecularbreeze

>

>Dear Jill,

> You mentioned some things about being a follower of Mahatma Ghandi. Would

>you please tell me more about this? I have entertained a warm affinity for

>him (what he accomplished, how he accomplished it, his ideals, etc.) for a

>number of years. I suppose I am lazy for I haven't read up on him (though I

>have with another of my hero's...Albert Einstein). Anyway, wish you would

>tell us more about your work in this regard.

>

Dear Connie,

 

I have found Gandhi's words, work, and life to be the truest model in

recent history for me to follow, as a spiritual seeker, in integrating the

lessons of my kundalini awakening. Gandhi's so completely transformed his

own life after experiencing kundalini awakening at the age of 37--from

being a painfully shy, inept barrister, to the great spiritual (and

political) leader we know him as today, a man who made himself into the

heart and soul of India.

 

I can recommend several good books, Connie. Gandhi The Man, by Sri Eknath

Easwaren, of Nilgiri Press, tells the story of Gandhi's life and spiritual

awakening in South Africa in clear, simple prose. Easwaren was a small boy

in Gandhi's India. He met Gandhi and was powerfully affected by him. This

is a very loving, compassionate introduction to the Mahatma.

 

The Essential Writings of Mahatma Gandhi is another, with Gandhi's writing

on subjects ranging from religion to politics, etc. Another little slim

volume I read from very regularly is called Gandhi on Non-Violence. I do

not have the authors to the last two books on hand, but I can get them for

you later today. The last book is a little grey paperback, which gives the

essence of his understanding of the power of non-violence, or love, as he

equated the two. I have found all three of these books in regular big

bookstores, like Borders, but you can also order directly from Nilgiri

press for the Easwaren book, and I can give you the number if you want it.

 

I hope this is helpful. Let me know if you want any other information on

this.

 

Jill

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Dear Jill,

 

You are a gem, thank you for your most valuable wealth of recommendations

for reading regarding Ghandi. I enjoyed so much reading your beautiful

words expressing your obvious reverence of this exemplary example of a human

being and how you pursue integrating this path into your own life. I will

utilize the resources you have provided and get back in touch with you.

 

Namaste,

Connie