Guest guest Posted April 13, 1999 Report Share Posted April 13, 1999 Having recently experienced a spontaneous movement of Kundalini, my view of "ego" has shifted somewhat. I would definitely concur with what Marcus has said. It is as if the Mother was (is) saying that the karmic "machinery" (the ego, the body, etc.) is there for a compassionate purpose. One simply could not possibly "get it all at once" without a real or virtual disintegration of the organism. Thus, as I am happy to say, I'm glad that there is, after all, an ego. Phil - Gemini Wednesday, April 14, 1999 10:59 AM ego Ego is not the root of all mental illness. Ego is the point of manifestation. Karma is the root of all mental illness, physical or mental. Ego existence is due to Svatantrya, the independent free will of God. That he may experience all the possibillites. Shiva is the doer. He is the reason for ego; he is the source. Maya is magnificent. The ego thinking itself the doer commits acts of perceived good and bad; the ego asummes it is the doer. This is delusion, this is the operating field of karma. All things, even though the reason is not obvious, are the result of past karmic impressions in the san chitta. The body has its own karma as well. This is why all liberated saints act differently. They must live out the karma of the body. Once done, they take mahasamadhi, and do not come back again (unless it is chosen); they merge with the divine, they are one with Shiva. Ego is the playing ground of karma. Karma yoga is the destroyer of karma and delusion, The champion that raises one to the higher mind. Karma Yoga is the brother of Bhakta Yoga. Their Mother is Kundalini. Mahabhakti M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 1999 Report Share Posted April 13, 1999 ---------- "Phillip Burton" <p_burton < > Re: ego Tue, Apr 13, 1999, 3:47 PM Having recently experienced a spontaneous movement of Kundalini, my view of "ego" has shifted somewhat. I would definitely concur with what Marcus has said. It is as if the Mother was (is) saying that the karmic "machinery" (the ego, the body, etc.) is there for a compassionate purpose. One simply could not possibly "get it all at once" without a real or virtual disintegration of the organism. Thus, as I am happy to say, I'm glad that there is, after all, an ego. Phil - Gemini <currwamp < > Wednesday, April 14, 1999 10:59 AM ego Ego is not the root of all mental illness. Ego is the point of manifestation. Karma is the root of all mental illness, physical or mental. Ego existence is due to Svatantrya, the independent free will of God. That he may experience all the possibillites. Shiva is the doer. He is the reason for ego; he is the source. Maya is magnificent. The ego thinking itself the doer commits acts of perceived good and bad; the ego asummes it is the doer. This is delusion, this is the operating field of karma. All things, even though the reason is not obvious, are the result of past karmic impressions in the san chitta. The body has its own karma as well. This is why all liberated saints act differently. They must live out the karma of the body. Once done, they take mahasamadhi, and do not come back again (unless it is chosen); they merge with the divine, they are one with Shiva. Ego is the playing ground of karma. Karma yoga is the destroyer of karma and delusion, The champion that raises one to the higher mind. Karma Yoga is the brother of Bhakta Yoga. Their Mother is Kundalini. Mahabhakti M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 1999 Report Share Posted April 14, 1999 In a way, there are two egos. There's the normal "psychological" ego (self-esteem, solid sense of self, etc), and there's the ego most commonly referred to in the nondual perspective, the grasping, greedy, power-hungry "mine, mine, mine" ego. Both of these have to ultimately go, in enlightenment, nirvana, satori, nirvikalpa samadhi, whatever you want to call it, but the first ego serves a purpose and generally doesn't hinder spiritual 'growth,' whereas the second ego does. Has anyone ever considered that we've all been using two entirely different definitions of "ego," or that we may have TWO egos? At 05:47 PM 4/13/99 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Having recently experienced a spontaneous movement of Kundalini, my view of "ego" has shifted somewhat. I would definitely concur with what Marcus has said. It is as if the Mother was (is) saying that the karmic "machinery" (the ego, the body, etc.) is there for a compassionate purpose. One simply could not possibly "get it all at once" without a real or virtual disintegration of the organism. Thus, as I am happy to say, I'm glad that there is, after all, an ego. Phil ----- Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Tim's Windows and DOS Shareware/Freeware is at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/shareware.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 1999 Report Share Posted April 14, 1999 Tim Gerchmez wrote: > Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > > In a way, there are two egos. There's the normal "psychological" ego > (self-esteem, solid sense of self, etc), and there's the ego most commonly > referred to in the nondual perspective, the grasping, greedy, power-hungry > "mine, mine, mine" ego. Both of these have to ultimately go, in > enlightenment, nirvana, satori, nirvikalpa samadhi, whatever you want to > call it, but the first ego serves a purpose and generally doesn't hinder > spiritual 'growth,' whereas the second ego does. > > Has anyone ever considered that we've all been using two entirely different > definitions of "ego," or that we may have TWO egos? Marcia: We don't "have" anything. The ego is "nothing" or no one thing. Its name is legion. Thinking that the ego is not only something but a unified something is exactly the illusion. When this is seen it leads to either insanity or enlightenment (thanks Linda). To really see that what you thought was yourself is really nothing at all, nada, no substance, a document in a file saved somewhere on the hard drive (not even a program just a document) is really quite something. It has no meaning, nobody cares about it, it cares about nobody, it has no purpose, it isn't even real. And for sure it doesn't know anything. How do you like them apples? (Eve says to Adam as she and the serpent go off into the sunset.) This gift will not be bestowed upon the faint of heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 1999 Report Share Posted April 14, 1999 At 11:01 PM 4/13/99 -0700, you wrote: >Marcia: > >We don't "have" anything. The ego is "nothing" or no one thing. >Its name is legion. Thinking that the ego is not only something >but a unified something is exactly the illusion. When this is seen >it leads to either insanity or enlightenment (thanks Linda). To >really see that what you thought was yourself is really nothing >at all, nada, no substance, a document in a file saved somewhere >on the hard drive (not even a program just a document) is really >quite something. It has no meaning, nobody cares about it, it >cares about nobody, it has no purpose, it isn't even real. And >for sure it doesn't know anything. How do you like them apples? >(Eve says to Adam as she and the serpent go off into the sunset.) >This gift will not be bestowed upon the faint of heart. What gift is that? The entirely unoriginal statement above, created by the mechanical processes of the brain that knows itself as "Marcia?" This brain can "get" such a "gift" on any of ten thousand websites out there. The fact that it's true doesn't make it a gift of any sort. Truth is universal, not a gift of any sort. Just cutting through the egotism of your statement on the nonexistence of ego :-) With Om, Tim ----- Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Tim's Windows and DOS Shareware/Freeware is at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/shareware.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 1999 Report Share Posted April 14, 1999 Tim, It is one thing to say and quite another to see it. I am not claiming to have seen it. To really see one's own nothingness is a big shock.A shock big enough to wake a person up. Marcia Tim Gerchmez wrote: > Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > > At 11:01 PM 4/13/99 -0700, you wrote: > >Marcia: > > > >We don't "have" anything. The ego is "nothing" or no one thing. > >Its name is legion. Thinking that the ego is not only something > >but a unified something is exactly the illusion. When this is seen > >it leads to either insanity or enlightenment (thanks Linda). To > >really see that what you thought was yourself is really nothing > >at all, nada, no substance, a document in a file saved somewhere > >on the hard drive (not even a program just a document) is really > >quite something. It has no meaning, nobody cares about it, it > >cares about nobody, it has no purpose, it isn't even real. And > >for sure it doesn't know anything. How do you like them apples? > >(Eve says to Adam as she and the serpent go off into the sunset.) > >This gift will not be bestowed upon the faint of heart. > > What gift is that? The entirely unoriginal statement above, created by the > mechanical processes of the brain that knows itself as "Marcia?" This > brain can "get" such a "gift" on any of ten thousand websites out there. > The fact that it's true doesn't make it a gift of any sort. Truth is > universal, not a gift of any sort. > > Just cutting through the egotism of your statement on the nonexistence of > ego :-) > > With Om, > > Tim > > ----- > Visit The Core of the WWW at: > http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html > Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. > > Tim's Windows and DOS Shareware/Freeware is at: > http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/shareware.html > > ------ > Share the wealth! > http://www.ONElist.com > Tell a friend about ONElist's 115,000 free e-mail communities! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 1999 Report Share Posted April 14, 1999 Phillip Burton [p_burton] Tuesday, April 13, 1999 23:48 Re: ego Having recently experienced a spontaneous movement of Kundalini, my view of "ego" has shifted somewhat. I would definitely concur with what Marcus has said. It is as if the Mother was (is) saying that the karmic "machinery" (the ego, the body, etc.) is there for a compassionate purpose. One simply could not possibly "get it all at once" without a real or virtual disintegration of the organism. Thus, as I am happy to say, I'm glad that there is, after all, an ego. Phil The machinery of karma requires one to go back in the course of events and this is the reason why for instance Rosicrucians have an elaborate cosmology - just to "explain" existence from the "first cause" to one's present existence. From a nondual perspective, karma is the initial condition of one's life and if sadhana complements it, it will be overcome. Ego is a biological necessity; without the identification "I am the body" one's body would be very short lived and when this identification has disappeared but one's emotions (still) aren't adapted to this "new reality", it is tempting to discard the body, for instance to feed a hungry predator. The "culprit" isn't ego per se, but the identifications like "I am the doer, enjoyer, possessor, thinker, sufferer" etc. Without identification, it would be impossible to enjoy a movie or a book. Ego starts "small", by sense experience beginning in the womb. The process of identification (with an adult) starts early in childhood but if one escapes from this, it is a definite advantage, as the list of "I am this / that" remains small. Kundalini "burns away" all identifications as one's real nature can't identify with anything but itself. The gradual dissolution of identifications is what is interpreted as a change in one's perspective. Jan - Gemini Wednesday, April 14, 1999 10:59 AM ego Ego is not the root of all mental illness. Ego is the point of manifestation. Karma is the root of all mental illness, physical or mental. Ego existence is due to Svatantrya, the independent free will of God. That he may experience all the possibillites. Shiva is the doer. He is the reason for ego; he is the source. Maya is magnificent. The ego thinking itself the doer commits acts of perceived good and bad; the ego asummes it is the doer. This is delusion, this is the operating field of karma. All things, even though the reason is not obvious, are the result of past karmic impressions in the san chitta. The body has its own karma as well. This is why all liberated saints act differently. They must live out the karma of the body. Once done, they take mahasamadhi, and do not come back again (unless it is chosen); they merge with the divine, they are one with Shiva. Ego is the playing ground of karma. Karma yoga is the destroyer of karma and delusion, The champion that raises one to the higher mind. Karma Yoga is the brother of Bhakta Yoga. Their Mother is Kundalini. Mahabhakti M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 1999 Report Share Posted April 14, 1999 Ego is not the root of all mental illness. Ego is the point of manifestation. Karma is the root of all mental illness, physical or mental. Ego existence is due to Svatantrya, the independent free will of God. That he may experience all the possibillites. Shiva is the doer. He is the reason for ego; he is the source. Maya is magnificent. The ego thinking itself the doer commits acts of perceived good and bad; the ego asummes it is the doer. This is delusion, this is the operating field of karma. All things, even though the reason is not obvious, are the result of past karmic impressions in the san chitta. The body has its own karma as well. This is why all liberated saints act differently. They must live out the karma of the body. Once done, they take mahasamadhi, and do not come back again (unless it is chosen); they merge with the divine, they are one with Shiva. Ego is the playing ground of karma. Karma yoga is the destroyer of karma and delusion, The champion that raises one to the higher mind. Karma Yoga is the brother of Bhakta Yoga. Their Mother is Kundalini. Mahabhakti M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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