Turtle hair

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On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, Gill Collingwood wrote:

>

> Sounds like, choose your illusions carefully... so turtle hair

> can be good, so long as you know it's not real?

> I can't watch a movie or read a book without getting completely

> engrossed and seeing it as 'real'; I'm the sort of person who yells

> things at the characters. The term 'suspension of disbelief' could

> have been invented for me. When it comes to seeing life as a kind of

> movie, I'm not sure whether this is good or bad...

> I'm reminded of a character in Alice in Wonderland, who always tried

> to believe seven impossible things before breakast (okay, i'm sure

> I've misremembered that, but it was something similar)

 

more a question of function it is. not really illusion, but function.

somethings are useful. somethings are not.

 

things that are not are things born from desire. that includes strange

mental things.

 

if i throw a rock at you and knock you upside your head with it, its gunna

hurt.

 

the illusion is more in saying some small i was there to get hurt. it was

just ouch. that small i is the turtle hair. its the wrong thing upstairs.

the not so useful thing that we all carry around. thats the true illusion,

this small self seperate. like turtle hair, or the sun shining at

midnight. mental construct.

 

if i throw a rock at you and you carry a grudge against me because i did

that and eat up your life plotting revenge at me, thats the

movie-illusion. really just rock, just ow. somethign like that i think.

 

--jt

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> "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01

> answer's a little more close to home.

>

> who is it that decided that skies were blue?

 

nondual answer: me.

But that's the nondual answer to everything.

I prefer green skies anyway.

 

> turtle reference: there's a phrase i've heard that goes 'If a sheep's horn

> is false, then turtle hair is true'. so like in defining how the mind

> percieves reality, gotta watch out for turtle hair. things are as they is.

> we put on the goofy stuff, like putting hair on a turtle. Vedanta folks

> talk about Self. whats not small self if not turtle hair? completly

> rediculous but seems to be real at some level.

 

defining how the mind perceives reality? I thought it was

usually done in terms of what has been previously perceived (or

previously believed). So not only am I seeing illusions, my seeing

that I'm seeing illusions is also maybe, partly, an illusion? Oh

dear, my mind's getting even more knotted up than usual...

> of course at some point, turtle hair means freedom too. sorry if this is

> obscure. if you *know* turtle hair, then turtle hair is no problem. if you

> dont know turtle hair, then maybe that's a problem no?

 

Sounds like, choose your illusions carefully... so turtle hair

can be good, so long as you know it's not real?

I can't watch a movie or read a book without getting completely

engrossed and seeing it as 'real'; I'm the sort of person who yells

things at the characters. The term 'suspension of disbelief' could

have been invented for me. When it comes to seeing life as a kind of

movie, I'm not sure whether this is good or bad...

I'm reminded of a character in Alice in Wonderland, who always tried

to believe seven impossible things before breakast (okay, i'm sure

I've misremembered that, but it was something similar)

..

> or im blabbering rediculous nonsense on a friday. thats possible too.

 

No, I think it's me that's blabbering!

> --janpa in villiage idiot laughing madwoman selling fish umbrella mode.

 

fish umbrellas? I really NEED one of them.... how much?

gill