Guest guest Posted April 22, 1999 Report Share Posted April 22, 1999 On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:24:37 -0000 "Gemini" <currwamp writes: >Your approval was never needed Tim. > >Did you ever really think your opinion mattered? > >You are a cottonball in the wind. > >With every insult you damage Tim. >L >M > > One (wo)man's reverence is another's obsequious, indiscriminate hero worship. We are *all* susceptible to the whims of the wind, especially our own hot air. http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm m(_ _)m _ _________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 1999 Report Share Posted April 22, 1999 A koan? Regards. Tim Harris Gemini wrote: > Your approval was never needed Tim. Did you ever really think your > opinion mattered? You are a cottonball in the wind. With every insult > you damage Tim.LM -- For more information on the CASUAL ENLIGHTENMENT METHOD please visit: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/4908/index.html ICQ # 34365156 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 1999 Report Share Posted April 23, 1999 At 01:24 PM 4/23/99 -0000, you wrote: >>>> Your approval was never needed Tim. <<<< 'Tis fine. >>>> Did you ever really think your opinion mattered? <<<< Does anyone's opinion matter? Only Truth matters. Opinions, however, can be an entertaining game. >>>> You are a cottonball in the wind. <<<< A what? >>>> Tim ----- Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Tim's Windows and DOS Shareware/Freeware is at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/shareware.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 1999 Report Share Posted April 23, 1999 Your approval was never needed Tim. Did you ever really think your opinion mattered? You are a cottonball in the wind. With every insult you damage Tim. L M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 1999 Report Share Posted April 23, 1999 On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Bruce Morgen wrote: > Bruce Morgen <editor > > > >Your approval was never needed Tim. > > > >Did you ever really think your opinion mattered? > > > >You are a cottonball in the wind. > > > >With every insult you damage Tim. With every insult you damage mike > _________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------ > New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > http://www.ONElist.com > Sign up for a new e-mail list today! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 1999 Report Share Posted April 23, 1999 Mike D wrote: > > Bruce Morgen <editor > > > > > > >Your approval was never needed Tim. > > > > > >Did you ever really think your opinion mattered? > > > > > >You are a cottonball in the wind. > > > > > >With every insult you damage Tim. > > With every insult you damage mike Marcia: I am not trying to be argumentative here, really, but isn't it in how you take it? If you take it as an insult and if you take it as damage then maybe so. Isn't it possible to take it as a question? I mean why take it personally? You could say the environment is getting polluted or there is some stink in the air maybe. Or someone just dumped a bunch of garbage on the floor. Really does the emperor have any clothes on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 1999 Report Share Posted April 23, 1999 Hi Tim, I am really not trying to tell you how it is or anything. This is how I am seeing it in the moment. It feels like you are making an "all or nothing" statement. The way I see it is that we are not unified. A person may make a genuine essence statement and when it is countered or questioned or commented on then the personality comes on board and begins to fight about it. It is just then that "I" have a choice. "I" can remember myself. In other words how the personality reacts doesn't validate or invalidate the original perception. The issue of whether Tim is to stay or leave was settled. Now by your suggestion that you will leave if he has to go you have reopened it. That is coming from you. Anyone not paying attention will think that somehow now Tim is being asked to leave. That skirmish had died down. This is exactly how I see Karma. We create these situations so that we can resolve them. Only we do it again and again and again until we finally get the lesson. Karma is "unfinished business." Two nights ago I saw Star Trek Voyager when Ensign Kim made a mistake which costs the lives of everyone on Voyager. For the next 15 years he struggled to find a way to fix that mistake. Finally he gets this time something through which he can send a message back in time through the Borg implant in 7's brain. After making a mistake again he finally gets the thing corrected in time to avert the mishap. Back in the present he finds this message he sent to himself from the future (which he has now changed forever) in which he tells himself what happened and his future perfected self tells his present self that ..."You owe me one." That is how I think it operates. If each time we remember ourself then we can log a message for future reference when we hit that same place in the wheel of time which says....."Hey remember this is where you get stuck. Let us fix it a little earlier this time." At some point that particular Karma will have paid its gravity debt. Marcia Tim Harris wrote: > Tim Harris <harris > > Marcia Paul wrote: > > > Marcia: > > > > I am not trying to be argumentative here, really, but > > isn't it in how you take it? If you take it as an insult > > and if you take it as damage then maybe so. Isn't > > it possible to take it as a question? I mean why take > > it personally? You could say the environment is getting > > polluted or there is some stink in the air maybe. Or > > someone just dumped a bunch of garbage on the floor. > > Here is my 'practice'.... if 'one' will be required to justify anything 'one' has > done, then it should not have been done in the first place. If 'one' is forced to > justify then say nothing, take the correction, and move on. If you can not, then > were will we find peace? We do not need a council. What could it accomplish? We > all fight to break down the hierarchy and now we struggle to replace it with > another. > > If we say that these words and these posts come from love and peace then there > should be no contention. It is a demonstration of 'self' control. If you have > chosen a path that excludes you from this plane then you demonstrate no control if > you quibble truths here. I have chosen this world, this plane to do my 'work'. > There is no need to look further than here. If you are then you have replaced that > delusion with another and indeed 'some' must be shaken to wake them up. > > If this group lets Tim G go... then I too will follow. Not because Tim and I > always agree with one another but because, as two warriors, we have managed to > find a common ground where we two can live in peace. There can be no peace if the > ministers of truth can not even agree among themselves. There can be no peace if > the pacifists and the activists can not find common ground. Tim G and I are a > demonstration of peaceful existence (for those that forget I shall remind you of > TG and my 'discussions' when we first met) and and example that one does not have > to give up their principles to agree with another. > > Without tolerance first... their can be no peace for in the soil of tolerance > grows the seed of peace. > > Regards. > > Tim Harris > > -- > For more information on the > CASUAL ENLIGHTENMENT METHOD please visit: > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/4908/index.html > ICQ # 34365156 > > ------ > You can now easily share photos and documents with your fellow list members > http://www.ONElist.com > Check out our homepage for details on how to use our new shared files feature! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 1999 Report Share Posted April 23, 1999 Marcia Paul wrote: > Marcia: > > I am not trying to be argumentative here, really, but > isn't it in how you take it? If you take it as an insult > and if you take it as damage then maybe so. Isn't > it possible to take it as a question? I mean why take > it personally? You could say the environment is getting > polluted or there is some stink in the air maybe. Or > someone just dumped a bunch of garbage on the floor. Here is my 'practice'.... if 'one' will be required to justify anything 'one' has done, then it should not have been done in the first place. If 'one' is forced to justify then say nothing, take the correction, and move on. If you can not, then were will we find peace? We do not need a council. What could it accomplish? We all fight to break down the hierarchy and now we struggle to replace it with another. If we say that these words and these posts come from love and peace then there should be no contention. It is a demonstration of 'self' control. If you have chosen a path that excludes you from this plane then you demonstrate no control if you quibble truths here. I have chosen this world, this plane to do my 'work'. There is no need to look further than here. If you are then you have replaced that delusion with another and indeed 'some' must be shaken to wake them up. If this group lets Tim G go... then I too will follow. Not because Tim and I always agree with one another but because, as two warriors, we have managed to find a common ground where we two can live in peace. There can be no peace if the ministers of truth can not even agree among themselves. There can be no peace if the pacifists and the activists can not find common ground. Tim G and I are a demonstration of peaceful existence (for those that forget I shall remind you of TG and my 'discussions' when we first met) and and example that one does not have to give up their principles to agree with another. Without tolerance first... their can be no peace for in the soil of tolerance grows the seed of peace. Regards. Tim Harris -- For more information on the CASUAL ENLIGHTENMENT METHOD please visit: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/4908/index.html ICQ # 34365156 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 1999 Report Share Posted April 23, 1999 It is the principle of the teachings Marcia. We all post around here about tolerance and peace. Perhaps this is too much for Tim G at times. I know it is for me... especially when I observe and contemplate the posts that were subsequent to Tim's "I am leaving' post. Even the leaders of our groups could not help but get their punches in. It seems that mastership has taken precidence over mission statement and none here are fit to sit on any council that promotes peace. If this is how we treat those that are familiar to us, how much 'more' will our lack of self control enrage circumstances with those we do not? One does not find liberation by pushing the negatives of existence, conscious or otherwise, away. This is how one finds enlightenment. Liberation is working with yin and yang as brother and sister and finding the path of least resistence always. If ours is to be a mission of peace then we must find it in ourselves to be peaceful. I am ashamed for some here especially those who would ignore the fact that some will fight for what they believe in and some will tolerate 'enemies' in the name of peace. This is what I asked Harsha when I spoke of the 'warriors' being invited to sit at the table of the council. The reason that this table exists is 'because' of people like Tim G and myself that exist on this plane where spiritual warfare is real. We are peacekeepers and yes.. our duties do require us to wear a sword but we engage only for the good of the many that claim good and not for ourselves. Just as you, we too seek mastership and the authority and recognition that you all have collected yet, very rarely are we given the benefit of the doubt that we 'may' just be fighting for justice and peace. And this is why we take offence to the aggression of peace in the name of God by those that demonstrate anything less than peaceful self constraint. You whip the peacekeepers in the name of peace and it is this principle for which I stand regardles of whether it is Tim G or you. I shame myself before the masters to share myself with you. Only 'my' karma will dictate whether or not this is a foolish act. A poem.. See all the wounded hear all their desparate cries for help pleading for shelter and for peace Our comrades are suffering come let us meet them at their knees don't let a wounded soldier die Come let us pour the oil Come let us find the hurt let's misister healing to them don't let another wounded soldier die Weakened from battle Satan crept in to take their lives Don't let a wounded soldier die Obeying their orders they fought on the front line for our king taking the enemies strong hold Come let us pour the oil Come let us find the hurt Lets minister healing to them We can't let another wounded solidier die Marcia Paul wrote: > -- For more information on the CASUAL ENLIGHTENMENT METHOD please visit: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/4908/index.html ICQ # 34365156 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 1999 Report Share Posted April 23, 1999 Tim, You are expecting the "masters" to be more conscious than you are willing to be. That means that you yourself see that there is a more "conscious" way to be. It is a very subtle yet persistent projection. Marcia Tim Harris wrote: > Tim Harris <harris > > It is the principle of the teachings Marcia. We all post around here about tolerance and > peace. Perhaps this is too much for Tim G at times. I know it is for me... especially > when I observe and contemplate the posts that were subsequent to Tim's "I am leaving' > post. Even the leaders of our groups could not help but get their punches in. It seems > that mastership has taken precidence over mission statement and none here are fit to sit > on any council that promotes peace. > > If this is how we treat those that are familiar to us, how much 'more' will our lack of > self control enrage circumstances with those we do not? > > One does not find liberation by pushing the negatives of existence, conscious or > otherwise, away. This is how one finds enlightenment. Liberation is working with yin and > yang as brother and sister and finding the path of least resistence always. If ours is > to be a mission of peace then we must find it in ourselves to be peaceful. > > I am ashamed for some here especially those who would ignore the fact that some will > fight for what they believe in and some will tolerate 'enemies' in the name of peace. > This is what I asked Harsha when I spoke of the 'warriors' being invited to sit at the > table of the council. The reason that this table exists is 'because' of people like Tim > G and myself that exist on this plane where spiritual warfare is real. > > We are peacekeepers and yes.. our duties do require us to wear a sword but we engage > only for the good of the many that claim good and not for ourselves. Just as you, we too > seek mastership and the authority and recognition that you all have collected yet, very > rarely are we given the benefit of the doubt that we 'may' just be fighting for justice > and peace. And this is why we take offence to the aggression of peace in the name of God > by those that demonstrate anything less than peaceful self constraint. > > You whip the peacekeepers in the name of peace and it is this principle for which I > stand regardles of whether it is Tim G or you. I shame myself before the masters to > share myself with you. Only 'my' karma will dictate whether or not this is a foolish > act. > > A poem.. > > See all the wounded > hear all their desparate cries for help > pleading for shelter and for peace > Our comrades are suffering > come let us meet them at their knees > don't let a wounded soldier die > > Come let us pour the oil > Come let us find the hurt > let's misister healing to them > don't let another wounded soldier die > > Weakened from battle > Satan crept in to take their lives > Don't let a wounded soldier die > Obeying their orders > they fought on the front line for our king > taking the enemies strong hold > > Come let us pour the oil > Come let us find the hurt > Lets minister healing to them > We can't let another wounded solidier die > > Marcia Paul wrote: > > > > > -- > For more information on the > CASUAL ENLIGHTENMENT METHOD please visit: > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/4908/index.html > ICQ # 34365156 > > ------ > V-Tech Computer For Kids! Challenge your kids with activities in math, > trivia, vocabulary, spelling, grammer! Looks just like your PC! No- > Hassle Returns*Satisfaction Guaranteed*Only $90.00 Free Freight in US > /ad/shoptheglobe7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 1999 Report Share Posted April 23, 1999 Tim Harris wrote: > Yes it is. This is my method... subtle persistent projection. Be like water... Who was it that > said that 'more work can be done in the subtle'... I think Gemini knows...... > > I leave it to your graces Marcia to discern for yourself whether I am pulling you 'up' on > these castle walls to survey with me the beautiful lands of true freedom beyond the borders or > that I am a drowning man grabbing the first person in range to act as a floatation device > knowing that we 'two' will sink. Marcia: Before you go let me ask you a question. Why can't it be both? Why can't we both be both pulling each other up and grabbing onto each other as floatation devices? Why make it either/or? And that is where we started I believe. :-) > > > As for me, I will slip back behind my symbols, metaphors, and boundless poetry.... it forces > the 'wise' to strain to listen which is perhaps the best medicine for us old tired > masters....lol. > > "Each man worries to know > what this day will will bring > Rest assured. > This day will end > and in its end > its means be known." > > Perhaps Julius Ceasar ... Shakespearish... > > Regards. > > Tim Harris > > -- > For more information on the > CASUAL ENLIGHTENMENT METHOD please visit: > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/4908/index.html > ICQ # 34365156 > > ------ > Did you know that we add over 1,000 new e-mail communities every day? > http://www.ONElist.com > Explore a new hobby, discover a new friend, laugh at a new joke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 1999 Report Share Posted April 23, 1999 Marcia Paul wrote: > Marcia Paul <jacpa > > Tim, > > You are expecting the "masters" to be more conscious than > you are willing to be. That means that you yourself see that > there is a more "conscious" way to be. It is a very subtle > yet persistent projection. > > Marcia > > Yes it is. This is my method... subtle persistent projection. Be like water... Who was it that said that 'more work can be done in the subtle'... I think Gemini knows...... I leave it to your graces Marcia to discern for yourself whether I am pulling you 'up' on these castle walls to survey with me the beautiful lands of true freedom beyond the borders or that I am a drowning man grabbing the first person in range to act as a floatation device knowing that we 'two' will sink. As for me, I will slip back behind my symbols, metaphors, and boundless poetry.... it forces the 'wise' to strain to listen which is perhaps the best medicine for us old tired masters....lol. "Each man worries to know what this day will will bring Rest assured. This day will end and in its end its means be known." Perhaps Julius Ceasar ... Shakespearish... Regards. Tim Harris -- For more information on the CASUAL ENLIGHTENMENT METHOD please visit: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/4908/index.html ICQ # 34365156 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 1999 Report Share Posted April 23, 1999 > Tim Harris <harris > > It is the principle of the teachings Marcia. We all post around > here about tolerance and > peace. Perhaps this is too much for Tim G at times. I know it is > for me... [...] Tim, forgive my ignorance concerning the human species, but as an outsider to society and never having followed teachings, I have no idea what you are talking about... Could you elaborate as to "what" is too much? Thanks, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 1999 Report Share Posted April 23, 1999 Marcia Paul wrote: > Marcia: > > Before you go let me ask you a question. Why can't it be both? > Why can't we both be both pulling each other up and grabbing > onto each other as floatation devices? Why make it either/or? > And that is where we started I believe. :-) > Physics? lol. I do know what you mean and we are. Did you drown? Do you see boundless freedom beyond these castle walls? Me neither. Perhaps that is why I share with you my vision... my world and you... yours. Regards. Tim Harris -- For more information on the CASUAL ENLIGHTENMENT METHOD please visit: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/4908/index.html ICQ # 34365156 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 1999 Report Share Posted April 24, 1999 Yes! Understanding. One has seen and understood the waste of time analyzing the dynamics of the lower mind! The first smile of the day. L M Marcia Paul <jacpa < > Friday, April 23, 1999 5:34 PM Re: Tim Marcia Paul <jacpa Mike D wrote: > > Bruce Morgen <editor > > > > > > >Your approval was never needed Tim. > > > > > >Did you ever really think your opinion mattered? > > > > > >You are a cottonball in the wind. > > > > > >With every insult you damage Tim. > > With every insult you damage mike Marcia: I am not trying to be argumentative here, really, but isn't it in how you take it? If you take it as an insult and if you take it as damage then maybe so. Isn't it possible to take it as a question? I mean why take it personally? You could say the environment is getting polluted or there is some stink in the air maybe. Or someone just dumped a bunch of garbage on the floor. Really does the emperor have any clothes on? ------ Did you know that ONElist hosts some of the largest lists on the Internet? http://www.ONElist.com Our scaleable system is the most reliable free e-mail service on the Internet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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