Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 What does it mean to be a yogi, or yogini? interested in what other traditions say about this. --janpa the curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 Debora A. Orf wrote: > What does it mean to be a yogi, or yogini? > > interested in what other traditions say about this. > > --janpa the curious "In Search of the Miraculous" , Ouspensky quoting Gurdjieff "The third way is the way of the yogi. This is the way of knowledge, the way of mind. The way of the yogi consists in working on the third room and in striving to enter the fourth room by means of knowledge. The yogi reaches the fourth room by developing his mind, but his body and emotions remain undeveloped and, like the fakir and the monk, he is unable to make use of the results of his attainment. He knows every- thing but can do nothing. In order to begin to do he must gain the mastery over his body and emotions, that is, over the first and second rooms. To do this he must again set to work and again obtain results by means of prolonged efforts. In this case however he has the advantage of under- standing his position, of knowing what he lacks, what he must do, and in what direction he must go. But, as on the way of the fakir or the monk, very few acquire this understanding on the way of the yogi, that is, that level in his work on which a man knows where he is going. A great many stop at one particular achievement and go no further.... "On the way of the yogi a man can do nothing, and must do nothing, without a teacher. In the beginning he must imitate his teacher like the fakir and believe in him like the monk. But, afterwards, a man on the way of the yogi gradually becomes his own teacher. He learns his teacher's methods and gradually learns to apply them to himself. "But all the ways, the way of the fakir as well as the way of the monk and the way of the yogi, have one thing in common. They all begin with the most difficult thing, with a complete change of life, with a renuncia- tion of all worldly things. A man must give up his home, his family if he has one, renounce all the pleasures, attachments, and duties of life, and go out into the desert, or into a monastery or a yogi school. From the very first day, from the very first step on his way, he must die to the world; only thus can he hope to attain anything on one of these ways." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 Thanx marcia, that was a great quote . got me thinking, dangerous territory ok next question: is it possible to renounce and still remain in the world? A few buddhist saints have managed this. Even yours truly is supposed to have at some level renounced samsara. But its hard, habits die as easily as staying on a diet! im an old married lady. For me this renunciation is attitude. im renouncing the way my life was heading, the ownership of it, the direction of self-satisfaction. Sure seems like that would be way easier in a monestary or nunnery, but sometimes i think its just ashift from me to not me. My teacher renamed me 'love ocean' (basic translation of janpa tsomo). Sometimes i'll sit and muse and ponder that. What must it be truely like, to live without effort and 100% awake. Open heart and calm mind. Rarely rarely is this me. Floating on a sea of love. How different for one who analyzes by default. BTW, my lama is staying at my house starting sunday. im nervous! Spent last saturday in a cleaning frenzy (and i even have a cleaning service mind you!) ok enuf babbling, --janpa tsomo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 Gloria: I wanted to also let her know that the renoucing of the world involves connecting to God in such a way that it is ones passion. When there is a direct love experience with God it is simply the burning fire which holds the focus on Divine Will, thy will and not mine. . This passion carries one becoming the teacher and essentially the link to Higher Knowing. This means connecting up to God in such a way that everything reflects this experience. And soon ones day is filled with the fire of love for God, this experience is so powerful that the world just doesn't exist in reflection to the experience. This awareness is of course grace and ultimately a gift from God, but it is what silences the mind, and makes the breath and movement pretty much the dance of life. ---------- >"Debora A. Orf" <dorf01 > > Re: Yogi? >Tue, Apr 27, 1999, 7:31 PM > >"Debora A. Orf" <dorf01 > >Thanx marcia, that was a great quote . > >got me thinking, dangerous territory > >ok next question: is it possible to renounce and still remain in the >world? A few buddhist saints have managed this. > >Even yours truly is supposed to have at some level renounced samsara. But >its hard, habits die as easily as staying on a diet! > >im an old married lady. For me this renunciation is attitude. im >renouncing the way my life was heading, the ownership of it, the direction >of self-satisfaction. Sure seems like that would be way easier in a >monestary or nunnery, but sometimes i think its just ashift from me to not >me. > >My teacher renamed me 'love ocean' (basic translation of janpa tsomo). >Sometimes i'll sit and muse and ponder that. What must it be truely like, >to live without effort and 100% awake. Open heart and calm mind. Rarely >rarely is this me. Floating on a sea of love. How different for one who >analyzes by default. > >BTW, my lama is staying at my house starting sunday. im nervous! Spent >last saturday in a cleaning frenzy (and i even have a cleaning service >mind you!) > >ok enuf babbling, > >--janpa tsomo > > >------ >Did you know that knowledge is power? >http://www.ONElist.com >Join a new ONElist e-mail community and strengthen your mind! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Gloria Joy Greco wrote: > "Gloria Joy Greco" <lodpress > > Gloria: > I wanted to also let her know that the renoucing of the world involves > connecting to God in such a way that it is ones passion. When there is a > direct love experience with God it is simply the burning fire which holds > the focus on Divine Will, thy will and not mine. . This passion carries one > becoming the teacher and essentially the link to Higher Knowing. This means > connecting up to God in such a way that everything reflects this experience. > And soon ones day is filled with the fire of love for God, this experience > is so powerful that the world just doesn't exist in reflection to the > experience. > This awareness is of course grace and ultimately a gift from God, but it > is what silences the mind, and makes the breath and movement pretty much the > dance of life. janpa: if your like me tho, and find god a hard concept, there's the play of magical primordial wisdom . in other words, besides compassion and wisdom, all the rest is just reflections in a crystal. altho like i said before, defined right, even i just might agree with the theistic view. maybe hehehe. connections, wheels, gears of life, infinite and vast, finite in vision's grasp. Seperate seeming, never dreaming of how connections make and form. went looking for god, all i found was pristineness, magical illusory primordialness. and that is in everything. not seperate. your tears are in my eyes. --jt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 1999 Report Share Posted April 28, 1999 > "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01 [...] > ok next question: is it possible to renounce and still remain in the > world? A few buddhist saints have managed this. > > Even yours truly is supposed to have at some level renounced samsara. But > its hard, habits die as easily as staying on a diet! It's quite possible, when experience of the samsara has led to the insight it doesn't lead to true happiness. It is even possible for someone without any belief or religious background and it "works" just as well > im an old married lady. For me this renunciation is attitude. im > renouncing the way my life was heading, the ownership of it, the direction > of self-satisfaction. Sure seems like that would be way easier in a > monestary or nunnery, but sometimes i think its just ashift from me to not > me. As an attitude it will be difficult and "bring" nothing. If it comes out of insight, it will simplify life and intensify sadhana. With the attitude, it is irrelevant whether one is in a palace or in the desert. Without the attitude, it is irrelevant too, whether one is in a palace or in the desert Renouncing means one renounces expectation (of results of renunciation) first. So it can't be done with intent. With intent, it is as you so aptly said, just a diet. > My teacher renamed me 'love ocean' (basic translation of janpa tsomo). What a beautiful name! > Sometimes i'll sit and muse and ponder that. What must it be truely like, > to live without effort and 100% awake. Open heart and calm mind. Rarely > rarely is this me. Floating on a sea of love. How different for one who > analyzes by default. Then analyze the "analyzer"... > BTW, my lama is staying at my house starting sunday. im nervous! Spent > last saturday in a cleaning frenzy (and i even have a cleaning service > mind you!) > > ok enuf babbling, > > --janpa tsomo "Cleaning the house" is a nice analogy... Don't forget to clean it from analyzer-bugs Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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