Guest guest Posted October 21, 1992 Report Share Posted October 21, 1992 Dear Tamra, Welcome back to the list. It's good to see you're here again. Jill At 05:47 PM 5/1/99 PDT, Tamra Temple wrote: >"Tamra Temple" <teatemple > > >> >>Nice to meet you Tamra. Do you have a homepage? Gloria >No. At present, I don't even have a home. Well, except my body. It's >comfortable enough. I'll get to the homepage bit right after I settle the >home matter. >Love >Tamra > > > >_____________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >------ >Looking for a new hobby? Want to make a new friend? > >Come join one of the 130,000 e-mail communities at ONElist! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 1999 Report Share Posted May 1, 1999 > >"Gloria Joy Greco" <lodpress >At this level the planet is dual...which means it is good and evil. And in >the spirit world...it has divided into good and evil. But, there are higher >frequencies of light in which evil doesn't exist because it has a ceiling, >it is restricted to certain areas and can not even touch areas of creation >which are of cosmic origin. Gloria, This is pretty much my perception as well. I'll be the one to ask, though. What are these initiations and training? Tamra _____________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 1999 Report Share Posted May 1, 1999 >Gloria: > These have all happened with me spiritually through tandra type vision >experiences, always in Celestial settings but definitely in the presence of >Christed Beings with specific beings doing the initiations. In one such >experience I knew the being to be the Ancient of Days. In another one I was >knighted. Each time it has been a definite initiation into another aspect >of the spiritual realization. I would tell you more if I had words to >explain it. > No need. I'm honoured an grateful to hear from you. I just turned the mail back on on this list as I've been traveling for awhile. Clearly I was meant to hear from someone else who has experinced these rites internally. Maybe I can quit scratching my head now. Tamra _____________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 1999 Report Share Posted May 1, 1999 > >Nice to meet you Tamra. Do you have a homepage? Gloria No. At present, I don't even have a home. Well, except my body. It's comfortable enough. I'll get to the homepage bit right after I settle the home matter. Love Tamra _____________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 1999 Report Share Posted May 1, 1999 ---------- "Gloria Joy Greco" <lodpress Bill Pendergrass <lordgreaystoke HRTZEN: Re: * Evil and Non Duality Fri, Apr 30, 1999, 11:39 PM ---------- >"Bill Pendergrass" <lordgreaystoke >lodpress >* Evil and Non Duality >Fri, Apr 30, 1999, 10:13 PM > >Dear Gloria, > >I'm sure I'm missing something...but please explain to me how you can have >such a strong belief in an evil force outside of God and still be Non >dualistic? I thought the heart of Non Dualism was a belief in everything >originating from the All or God including the appearance of evil. I sence >two competing philosophies in you..the Catholic dualistic one and the >Eastern Non Dual one. Please note that this is a private email..and I am NOT >trying to raise embarrasing issues. You've been very very helpful to >me...and very kind to me. GG No problem and it isn't embarrassing at all. It is one of those paradox's, and I don't know that I can find the words to explain it since it is so really wierd all around. There is absolute union so that all is from God ultimately, it is known/experienced from the union in the Crown Chakra and the third eye plus that Soma chakra. This is when it is experienced when the proper unfoldment occurs in the higher centers and the leaves of the lotus are spirled out into place. It is why a Edith Stein can go to her death in the concentration camps truly happy and filled with joy because she knew it was perfect. For her there was no evil, but for the people she walked through the experience with, even those on the other side, it was an awful, degrading, unhuman conditon of evil. The guards who looked after her were changed forever from just being with her and feeling what she felt. The world has many levels of experience doesn't it? We could move through the conversation of good and evil probably for a long time in processing this question, but ultimately the evil that now exists is for purpose which is God's design. So, when we turn free will to God's Will we also don't know the ultimate outcome of that decision, we do know that God's will and purpose is served in that moment which is our only responsbility in order to serve God. When the war manifests only in the spiritual world...evil as such doesn't appear to exist to the human...at least they can rationalize it away, but when the energy is allowed to enter on to this scene to allow karmic situations to take there due toll for the masses to balance out creation, (the phase we are now in) the world is hit with the apparent evil. I say this because it is apparent...the bottom line it is illusion. Yet to those who are experiencing it at this level, it appears very real. It would be pretty heartless to go to those people in Littleton and say that what came down wasn't evil. And the folks in the presence of Poopathy's sister in law are not going to think they are in an action sanctioned by God. And it isn't, remember in the bible when the lower force is given a time to rule on earth, a time to do their destruction...this is God allowing the scales of justice to come down, but it is not coming from any act of will from God. It is a case where the individual judgment or karma has authority according to spiritul law. Now...many would say how can this be justice? I doubt if there is anyone on Earth who doesn't totally understand that the mass consciousness has gone off the middle road enough that this is a correction for sure. And, God has held the pendulum in place for really a long time if we are honest about it. At this level the planet is dual...which means it is good and evil. And in the spirit world...it has divided into good and evil. But, there are higher frequencies of light in which evil doesn't exist because it has a ceiling, it is restricted to certain areas and can not even touch areas of creation which are of cosmic origin. Evil doesn't exist because it has no access or entry. This is usually considered to be up through the fourth initiation where one has moved past the abyss where the great pull from the lower self still has hold. Now someone is going to come and say what are these initiations? I can best tell you this, it is something that is experienced as you are in the flow taken through the training. The question you ask here is important because in order for one to work with spiritual warfare, one has to resolve this interior conflict. And because you have to bring it to resolve within, and answer this question, one can only do this by turning to God so that the Holy Spirit will remove the veil of ignorance & it can be viewed from all of the many vantage points to get the whole story. I don't know that this helped much. > >Me personally..I don't understand evil or why its here but I do have a >hypothesis .. without the last few billion years of survival of the fittest >( certainly a classically selfish and egoistic process) our race would not >be here at all. WE owe our existence to the selfishness of our genes. >Therefore...I suspect that in order for us to exist at all in this world so >must selfishness ( evil). And yet out of this process Love, Hope, and >Faith, and Courage have come also.....so they are intertwined somehow in a >way that I can't see. One must be present for the other to exist... Gg Yes, this is part of it. The evil can work two ways one is to consume and destroy, the other is to enlighten and to open the gate to the ability to detach and move on to the next step. Good is also a trap for the seeker at a certain point of the walk... people can get strung out on self by doing what is perceived to be good. When one is taking the credit for works he/she is still working from the solar plexus. Can you see how complex this is? Remember I think Hitler even said at one point that he will have done a great work for good when it is all said and done. Many in the occult say this as well, they wish to obtain Christ Consciousness through the back door. Thinking they can access the power and liberation without giving up the lower self which is the controller. Also the third chakra, the solar plexus...look at what it does. The seed sound is Ram, and the Ram is the animal that represents it. The Ram is strong and charges with its head down not carrying about the circumstances. This is the house of fire, and intellect, and the deity is the Old Shiva representing the power of destruction. The person works from the third chakra and control through anger. We have to see it as a stage of evolution, and it is a phase that each soul has the mission of getting through. Hopefully without getting trapped in the evil of its own making. In fact, > > >Yours most respectfully, > >Bill Pendergrass > >>"Gloria Joy Greco" <lodpress >>"POOPATHY B. MUNIANDY" <BOWIE, aes3ddd >><aes3ddd, anandajyoti <anandajyoti, >>"'heartzen'" <heartzen, heretoyou >><heretoyou, bill pendergrass <lordgreaystoke, >> yvonne harvey <yharvey >>Re: HRTZEN: Possessed * it is for real >>Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:10:43 -0700 >> >> >>---------- >> >"POOPATHY B. MUNIANDY" <BOWIE >> >>Hi Poopathy, >> Here is a good site for help with this. >>http://www.gelservices.com/part3.html >> >> How is it going? >> > >> > > >_____________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 1999 Report Share Posted May 1, 1999 Jill, Thanks. It's good to see you here too! I've thought of you and Harsha often. You both helped me so much last fall and I'm grateful. Tamra _____________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 1999 Report Share Posted May 1, 1999 ---------- >"Tamra Temple" <teatemple > > Re: FW: HRTZEN: Re: * Evil and Non Duality >Sat, May 1, 1999, 12:47 PM > >"Tamra Temple" <teatemple > >> >>"Gloria Joy Greco" <lodpress > > >>At this level the planet is dual...which means it is good and evil. And in >>the spirit world...it has divided into good and evil. But, there are higher >>frequencies of light in which evil doesn't exist because it has a ceiling, >>it is restricted to certain areas and can not even touch areas of creation >>which are of cosmic origin. > >Gloria, >This is pretty much my perception as well. I'll be the one to ask, though. >What are these initiations and training? >Tamra Gloria: These have all happened with me spiritually through tandra type vision experiences, always in Celestial settings but definitely in the presence of Christed Beings with specific beings doing the initiations. In one such experience I knew the being to be the Ancient of Days. In another one I was knighted. Each time it has been a definite initiation into another aspect of the spiritual realization. I would tell you more if I had words to explain it. > > >_____________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >------ >Tired of empty chat rooms and out of date bulletin boards? >http://www.ONElist.com >ONElist: Making the Internet Intimate > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 1999 Report Share Posted May 1, 1999 ---------- >"Tamra Temple" <teatemple > > Re: FW: HRTZEN: Re: * Evil and Non Duality >Sat, May 1, 1999, 5:14 PM > >"Tamra Temple" <teatemple > > >>Gloria: >> These have all happened with me spiritually through tandra type vision >>experiences, always in Celestial settings but definitely in the presence of >>Christed Beings with specific beings doing the initiations. In one such >>experience I knew the being to be the Ancient of Days. In another one I was >>knighted. Each time it has been a definite initiation into another aspect >>of the spiritual realization. I would tell you more if I had words to >>explain it. >> >No need. I'm honoured an grateful to hear from you. I just turned the mail >back on on this list as I've been traveling for awhile. Clearly I was meant >to hear from someone else who has experinced these rites internally. Maybe >I can quit scratching my head now. Tamra > Nice to meet you Tamra. Do you have a homepage? Gloria > >_____________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >------ >What does Public Radio's "Ask Dr. Science Show" know that you don't...? > >...That ONElist hosts the largest free e-mail lists on the Internet today! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 1999 Report Share Posted May 1, 1999 ---------- >"Tamra Temple" <teatemple > > Re: FW: HRTZEN: Re: * Evil and Non Duality >Sat, May 1, 1999, 5:47 PM > >"Tamra Temple" <teatemple > > >> >>Nice to meet you Tamra. Do you have a homepage? Gloria >No. At present, I don't even have a home. Well, except my body. It's >comfortable enough. I'll get to the homepage bit right after I settle the >home matter. >Love >Tamra Gloria: I understand, here is mine. Enter The Silence to Know God...and...accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepage at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ > > > >_____________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >------ >Looking for a new hobby? Want to make a new friend? > >Come join one of the 130,000 e-mail communities at ONElist! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 1999 Report Share Posted May 2, 1999 Gloria, I like your site and will look for your book. It's interesting that you discuss the descent of Spirit and rise of Kundalini. I'm having that discussion on another list. It seems that it's not spoken of in those terms much, but you describe exactly the way I experienced it as well. Thanks for the site. Tamra _____________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 1999 Report Share Posted May 2, 1999 ---------- >"Tamra Temple" <teatemple > > Re: FW: HRTZEN: Re: * Evil and Non Duality >Sun, May 2, 1999, 4:47 AM > >"Tamra Temple" <teatemple > >Gloria, >I like your site and will look for your book. It's interesting that you >discuss the descent of Spirit and rise of Kundalini. I'm having that >discussion on another list. It seems that it's not spoken of in those terms >much, but you describe exactly the way I experienced it as well. Thanks for >the site. Tamra Gg If you want my book just write to me and I will send it. They have to get it from me anyway and it is easier this way. Yes, I feel it is very important to understand this aspect. It is coming from two different dimensions so it is important to recognize the difference between cosmic force and that of the divine potential coming from within. While they are certainly similiar, I see them as of different frequencies. It is when they join and become one that all of the higher awareness comes down. > > > >_____________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >------ >Did you know that you can now set up a shared calendar to >post events of interest to your community? > >Check out our homepage for details. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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