Sleeping rocks was Madhya - Digest Number 146, reply to jb

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Tim Gerchmez <fewtch

Madhya - Digest Number 146, reply to jb

>Consciousness is One.

 

<< Hmmm... every night when I go to sleep, and if I sleep dreamlessly, I

am "out of consciousness" (unconscious) - at least the thinking mind and

ego are. If an operation is performed and I am anesthetized, I am out

of consciousness. Apparently it's quite possible to be "unconscious."

I "get out of consciousness" every night when going to bed! >>

 

Hmmm... The rocks on which i walk on, as i beleive i am conscious, often

call for me to notice their 'deep' consciouness to listen to. There is

_nothing_ i like more than to sleep like a rock.

>One cannot reasonably support the proposition that one 'state' of

>consciousness is qualitatively exclusive of another.

 

<< No, "one" cannot support it. But perhaps you, through your own

dispelling of ignorance, may be able to support such a view yourself.

Be open minded, my friend. >>

 

Be what you like to be, and i will like you. Simply Be and I will simply

Be.

 

Antoine

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> Antoine <carrea

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> Message: 4

> Wed, 05 May 1999 06:47:31 -0700

> Tim Gerchmez <fewtch

> Madhya - Digest Number 146, reply to jb

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> >Consciousness is One.

>

> << Hmmm... every night when I go to sleep, and if I sleep dreamlessly, I

> am "out of consciousness" (unconscious) - at least the thinking mind and

> ego are. If an operation is performed and I am anesthetized, I am out

> of consciousness. Apparently it's quite possible to be "unconscious."

> I "get out of consciousness" every night when going to bed! >>

 

Consciousness continues, but it is extremely subtle. What happens in a

meditative state of total relaxation? Zzzzz... A model for consciousness is

a kernel with peels. Simplified, one's real nature is the kernel, then comes

a peel of deep dreamless sleep, a peel of dreaming and finally a peel of

being awake. But it isn't an on/off situation, it is more like

superimposition. It is possible to become aware in a dream and it is

possible to dream while awake. There are meditations where visualization is

used; while awake, visualization is difficult but it happens spontaneously

in dreaming.

 

What happens during spiritual unfoldment is the discarding of veils.

Nirvikalpa samadhi could be called 'resting' in the kernel, temporarily

discarding all peels. Nirvana with substratum remaining could be called a

modification in the peels of being awake and dreaming; duality has vanished

and no more impressions are made in the mind. This modification of the two

peels is rather easy and because no more impressions are made, one is freed

from reincarnation.

 

There are a few examples of those who could discard all peels, with the body

remaining alive. From the model it will be obvious that discarding all peels

is a complicated process in terms of physiology too, taking many years.

Although the idea of discarding suggests one is continuously loosing

something, in reality one only is gaining, because one's real nature is the

source of all happiness.

> Hmmm... The rocks on which i walk on, as i beleive i am conscious, often

> call for me to notice their 'deep' consciouness to listen to. There is

> _nothing_ i like more than to sleep like a rock.

[...]

The like for deep, dreamless sleep is because the sensory mind keeps

functioning. So there remains a trace of memory which is peace and quietude.

One could say that a little of the supreme peace of one's real nature

trickles through the peel.

 

Jan