Guest guest Posted May 7, 1999 Report Share Posted May 7, 1999 > >Self-consciousness is the natural dynamism of the non-dual >Siva-consciousness; it is its "eternal vibration". This is the state ofl >the pure "I am." When Siva, out of His (Her) freedom, spontaneously >manifests Himself as the world, the "I am" becomes "I am this." "This," or >the object, exists only when the world arises, but "I am" is always there, >irrespective of Creation. This is very clear. Thanks. The rest was marginally clear as words mean different things to the experiencer. Basically, this is what I was saying about the transcendent and the immanent and how they can coexist once the I am is firmly established. Also, I very much like your poem. Thanks again, Tamra > >And from Madhya: _____________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 1999 Report Share Posted May 7, 1999 Friends; For many on the spiritual path, self-realization is not a discarding or removing, but a recognizing. Here is a passage that examines this principle: "The ultimate Reality (Shiva) of Kashmir Shaivism is the pure nondual Absolute, and yet Shiva is a person--the Absolute Person. The Advaitin may question the compatibility of personality with Absoluteness. He may argue that claiming that Shiva is a person means Shiva is limited to one particular form and is cut off from the rest of the universe. In other words, personality presupposes duality. In answer to this I could point out that the same argument is advanced against the compatibility of self-consciousness with Absoluteness... Shiva is a Person because Siva has self-consciousness. The self-consciousness of Shiva is not like the limited "I-consciousness" of the individual in which one differentiates oneself from others. The Divine "I" is the absolute or perfect "I" which incorporates everything within its bosom. When Shiva is completely alone--the one without a second--even then self-consciousness means being in oneself. Even in the state of the pure nonduality of Shiva, self-consciousness is possible by virtue of the natural inner dynamism, (kriya, vimarsa, spanda, or shakti), of Siva. Self-consciousness is the natural dynamism of the non-dual Siva-consciousness; it is its "eternal vibration". This is the state ofl the pure "I am." When Siva, out of His (Her) freedom, spontaneously manifests Himself as the world, the "I am" becomes "I am this." "This," or the object, exists only when the world arises, but "I am" is always there, irrespective of Creation. Here it should be made clear that personality is not the same as individuality. Individuality is the sense of the ego, which is limited and which differentiates the "I" from the rest of the world. Individuality has two characteristics: namely, (a) self-consciousness and (b) differentiation of oneself from others. But self-consciousness alone means personality. It may or may not adopt individuality, which has the sense of differentiation of oneself from others, then it becomes individuality. But it need not do so. There can be self-consciousness as the awareness of one's own existence without the awareness of others. Personality is thus wider than individuality, which may or may not be part of personality. (Mishra, The Central Philosophy of Saivism, pp 124-125) And from Madhya: The Song Alone I am the opera buffoon in love with the sensuous passion of my own Voice, the tittilating sensation of a Sound belted from the heated vibratto of my Divine Heart bursting into song-- absolute and complete in myself; never fearing fear: death does not exist- nor dwelling in doubt- for when nothing is eaten and all consumed, only immortality remains where lust yearned and hunger failed. And so, surge forth, my fabulous Voice, free from constraint, sated with illumination and summoned to sing by the Song alone. Madhya Nandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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