Guest guest Posted May 11, 1999 Report Share Posted May 11, 1999 Message: 17 Tue, 11 May 1999 19:21:40 +0200 "Hans Deunhouwer" <ja.deunhouwer Re: Harsha/Re: Digest Number 146, reply to jb << We all know that everything and everybody around us is mirroring back what we are, so my reply to whatever subject says something about myself rather than about the one i am replying to. I myself find this sometimes very difficult to realize. However, it is so. Let's make jokes about it rather than becoming serious which is an illness in itself. It makes me smile when i see that we make such a fuss about some statements. By the way, i am curious what you think of this. Can there be thinking without language ? I am looking forward to your thoughts about this. >> Hello Hans, A nice question... reminds me of Descartes, 'I think, thus I AM'. All depends of the definition one want's to give to thinking? Turning the cogito around, one can ask one self: can i think without being? and is the I AM that thinks different than an I am that does not think? All those question help define for oneself what the words THINK, I AM and I THINK THUS I AM point to. So now you ask the same question on the syntactic level, as Descartes did, but changing the words. 'I speak thus I think', seems to be the affirmation you are looking for to validate behind your question : Can there be thinking without language? Here again it depends on the empirical definition one wants to give to those words. What is thinking? what is language? is the thinking you refer to, different than that in Descartes proposition? Is a form in itself a form of language or of thought or of Being? Is a color in itself a " " " ? Is a sound in itself a " " " ? Is a movement in itself a " " " ? Is silence in itself a " " " ? We can find within the answers to those questions or discuss them in an encyclopedia fashion, for prosperity. And why not both?... So many nice ways to be. Which way do you prefer it to be Hans? Enjoy, Antoine Holding a rock and merging my mind with it, lol... Could i become a talking rock, mixed with water? Who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2000 Report Share Posted May 16, 2000 HAHAHAHAHA...HOHOHOHO!!!! :-) This story is teasing me..., I can't stop thinking, even while I'm sleeping, and that make me sick. :-( And Bill Cosby called it "Brain Damage". LOL. :-))) Peace, Repairing my brain... > ---------- > Michael Read[sMTP:maread] > Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:18 AM > > Thinking > > A friend sent me this - enjoy - or not - as you will.:-))) > > --------------------------- > > > TA - Thinkers Anonymous > It started out innocently enough. I began to think > at parties now and then to loosen up. Inevitably > though, one thought led to another, and soon > I was more than just a social thinker I began > to think alone - "to relax," I told myself - but I > knew it wasn't true. Thinking became more and > more important to me, and finally I was thinking > all the time. I began to think on the job. I knew > that thinking and employment don't mix, but I > couldn't stop myself. I began to avoid friends at > lunchtime so I could read Thoreau and Kafka. > I would return to the office dizzied and confused, > asking, "What is it exactly we are doing here?" > Things weren't going so great at home either. One > evening I had turned off the TV and asked my wife > about the meaning of life. She spent that night at > her mother's. I soon had a reputation as a heavy thinker. > One day the boss called me in. He said, " I like you, > and it hurts me to say this, but your thinking has become > a real problem. If you don't stop thinking on the job, you'll > have to find another job." This gave me a lot to think about. > > I came home early after my conversation with the boss. > "Honey," I confessed, "I've been thinking...I know you've > been thinking," she said, "and I want a divorce!But, > Honey, surely it's not that serious.It is serious," she > said, lower lip aquiver. "You think as much as college > professors, and college professors don't make any > money, so if you keep on thinking we won't have any > money!That's a faulty syllogism," I said impatiently, > and she began to cry. I'd had enough. "I'm going to > the library," I snarled as I stomped out the door. I headed > for the library, in the mood for some Nietzsche. I roared > into the parking lot and ran up to the big glass doors... > they didn't open. The library was closed. As I sank to > the ground clawing at the unfeeling glass, whimpering > for Zarathustra, a poster caught my eye. "Friend, is heavy > thinking ruining your life?" it asked. You probably > recognize that line. It comes from the standard Thinkers > Anonymous poster. Which is why I am what I am today: > a recovering thinker. I never miss a TA meeting. At > each meeting we watch a non educational video; last > week it was "Porky's." Then we share experiences about > how we avoided thinking since the last meeting. I still have > my job, and things are a lot better at home. Life just > seemed... easier, somehow, as soon as I stopped > thinking. > > ----------------------- > > HAHAHAH and HOHOHO! > > Peace - I think - Michael > > > ------ > Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: > http://click./1/4054/7/_/520931/_/958432696/ > ------ > > // > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. > It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the > Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of > Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome > all to a. > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from > the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your > subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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