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> "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar

[...] Sattvic food for Hindus and Jains

> (although Jains are more restrictive) usually means fruits, vegetables,

> seeds, nuts, grains, legumes, milk, etc. Some include unfertilized eggs

> also. However, because cows are pumped up with harmones these days and

> generally mistreated to produce milk, I wonder if milk can really be

> considered sattvic now. Similarly with eggs, the modern methods used with

> the hens are highly questionable ethically. Given that most Yoga Shastras

> emphasize the critical role the food plays in physical, mental

> and spiritual

> development of the aspirant, it is an important issue for some

> people. What

> does constitute sattvic food today? Do Vegans lack some important elements

> in their diet. Is a complete raw food diet the cure for obesity,

> high blood

> pressure, and other degenerative diseases?

 

I would define sattvic food as that food which doesn't cause toxic residue

to accumulate in the tissues. So it depends a great deal on the digestive

capacity of the body and doesn't have to be the same for everyone. This is

why short fasts (up to one week) are important. If one is using the proper

food, the tongue won't change color and one won't start feeling tired

(detoxing takes a lot of energy).

 

Vegans don't lack anything; what is forgotten is that the tables of daily

requirements are based on some non-existing average person using a processed

food and meat based diet. Vegans have different requirements; if digestion

causes an alkaline surplus, the need for protein, for instance, is greatly

reduced.

 

If possible, food should be from organic sources, otherwise there is the

possibility of trace-elements lacking. So it is wise to add seaweed to

salads.

 

Veganism isn't a cure for obesity; avocados, bananas, nuts and seeds can

easily be consumed in amounts, greater than needed.

 

Belief is a burden, whether it comes to diet, science or Self-realization.

One should take the experiment. With food, it is easy. Detox the body for as

long as is required by fasting; the tongue should be pink again and one

should feel better than before the fast. This is the proper start for

becoming a fruitarian or raw food vegan. If the diet is suited, one will

have access to physical energy as never before and the mind will be very

clear. Cravings are a trick of the habit mind, missing former yumminess.

 

Some marks of being on a proper diet are:

1. no crusts or slime in the eyes on waking up in the morning

2. having abundant energy on waking up

3. no more colds and flue, irrespective of clothing

4. not being hindered by the extremes of temperature.

5. no smelly excrements

 

 

Jan

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jb wrote:

> Vegans don't lack anything; what is forgotten is that the tables of daily

> requirements are based on some non-existing average person using a processed

> food and meat based diet. Vegans have different requirements; if digestion

> causes an alkaline surplus, the need for protein, for instance, is greatly

> reduced.

 

I don't dispute protein needs vary, however the *quality* of protein of a pure

vegan protein is sub optimal.

> If possible, food should be from organic sources, otherwise there is the

> possibility of trace-elements lacking.

 

More than a possibility. Chemical fertilizers contain only potassium, nitrogen

and

phosphorus. The human body needs a whole lot more than that. Also, don't

forget the absence of pesticides with certified organic food.

> So it is wise to add seaweed to salads.

 

Seaweed is great stuff. Good calcium source for those cutting down on dairy.

> Veganism isn't a cure for obesity; avocados, bananas, nuts and seeds can

> easily be consumed in amounts, greater than needed.

 

Over consumption of *healthy* fats won't make you fat. Eskimos had a diet of

about 60% calories from fat (whale blubber) but they weren't fat.

With healthy fats (unprocessed omegas 3, 6 & 9) over consumption results in

a metabolic burn off. Your body actually becomes more efficient at burning it.

> Detox the body for as

> long as is required by fasting; the tongue should be pink again and one

> should feel better than before the fast. This is the proper start for

> becoming a fruitarian or raw food vegan. If the diet is suited, one will

> have access to physical energy as never before and the mind will be very

> clear.

 

12 years ago or so one of my sisters had a cyst on her ovary and had an over

active

*&* under active thyroid. She fasted and then assumed a vegan diet to this day.

(no processed food, only organic) Cyst disappeared & against the advice of her

MD she ditched the thyroid medication. Thyroid became regulated and has been

in normal range since. MD was shocked. She's 39 today at about 11% bodyfat

& still gets carded for drinks.

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> David Bozzi <david.bozzi

>

> jb wrote:

>

> > Vegans don't lack anything; what is forgotten is that the

> tables of daily

> > requirements are based on some non-existing average person

> using a processed

> > food and meat based diet. Vegans have different requirements;

> if digestion

> > causes an alkaline surplus, the need for protein, for instance,

> is greatly

> > reduced.

>

> I don't dispute protein needs vary, however the *quality* of

> protein of a pure

> vegan protein is sub optimal.

 

A healthy liver acts as a buffer to iron out short term differences in

composition of proteins. One doesn't need a protein-intake where the

partition of amino acids closely resembles the composition of human meat. I

remember the old-fashioned combination rule for vegans, to use grains and

beans in one meal as it would provide a "good" combination from the

perspective of supplied amino acids. It proved to be a rather unhealthy

combination

 

[...]

> > Veganism isn't a cure for obesity; avocados, bananas, nuts and seeds can

> > easily be consumed in amounts, greater than needed.

>

> Over consumption of *healthy* fats won't make you fat. Eskimos

> had a diet of

> about 60% calories from fat (whale blubber) but they weren't fat.

> With healthy fats (unprocessed omegas 3, 6 & 9) over consumption

> results in

> a metabolic burn off. Your body actually becomes more efficient

> at burning it.

[...]

It is the amount of calories that counts, not where they come from. If the

body would burn excessive food, the basal metabolism has to rise. This in

turn will raise one's temperature and it will shorten life. So it does make

sense that the body has an option to store excessive calories in the form of

fat. Only when the fat-deposit is used to store toxins too, the body will

try to avoid burning fat from those deposits and this is the reason for the

so called "chronic obesity". Another matter is that in a healthy person, an

occasional caloric excess will result in a readiness to use the extra in

additional exercise. On average, the Eskimos didn't have plenty of food; the

following quote shows this:

 

"The Eskimos also had customs dictating ritual deaths. Because of the

dangers of overpopulation in the harsh climate, the Eskimos killed two out

of three baby girls. Old Eskimos were also left to die on the ice floes when

the village moved to a new location".

[Guest guest]

jb wrote:

> > I don't dispute protein needs vary, however the *quality* of

> > protein of a pure

> > vegan protein is sub optimal.

>

> A healthy liver acts as a buffer to iron out short term differences in

> composition of proteins. One doesn't need a protein-intake where the

> partition of amino acids closely resembles the composition of human meat.

 

I was trying to avoid getting too deep into this on a list such as this so I

apologize to

anyone for my posts.

 

This is recent science so most people aren't up to speed on it.

During evolution humans developed the separate gut system to absorb dipeptides

(molecules of 2 amino acids) & tripeptides (3 aminos). See when 2 or more aminos

are joined together they carry information. That info causes physiological

responses

(many known, many more to be discovered) that don't occur to single

(informationless)

aminos. For instance dipepetides & tripeptides signal the liver to make

somatomedin C

which is an anabolic factor that stimulates muscle growth. Optimally protein

should

contain all the non essential aminos with the essentials (the ones the body

can't make)

*linked* together as dipeptides to signal to

the body to accept protein into it's stores. If you leave out even the non

essential

amino acids the body can't hold onto it. No one up on the latest science

refutes this

fact.

> I

> remember the old-fashioned combination rule for vegans, to use grains and

> beans in one meal as it would provide a "good" combination from the

> perspective of supplied amino acids. It proved to be a rather unhealthy

> combination

 

Explosive eh? Not even a vegan body can stop that. : )

> It is the amount of calories that counts, not where they come from.

 

False. Fat is burned very slowly. Carbs much quicker.

It's a lot easier to for the body to break down muscle glycogen & blood

glucose into ATP (primary fuel for exercise)than to break down fat.

Also, ATP is formed much faster from carbs than fat.

Carbs are the highest energy fuel.

> If the

> body would burn excessive food, the basal metabolism has to rise. This in

> turn will raise one's temperature and it will shorten life.

 

I understand your logic Jan but it's not quite that simple.

See when you exercise correctly you raise your metabolic rate

(during & resting) & no one up on the science

refutes the fact that proper exercise *extends* life.

> "The Eskimos also had customs dictating ritual deaths. Because of the

> dangers of overpopulation in the harsh climate, the Eskimos killed two out

> of three baby girls.

 

What a bummer! Kinda cramps dating!

 

Stay Healthy,

David

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> David Bozzi <david.bozzi

[...]

>

> I understand your logic Jan but it's not quite that simple.

> See when you exercise correctly you raise your metabolic rate

> (during & resting) & no one up on the science

> refutes the fact that proper exercise *extends* life.

[...]

Oxygen is both a life-giver and a life-destroyer. The practice of pranayama

can decrease the metabolic rate and the oxygen demand; this causes longer

life. If memory is correct, there is even a saying about expressing one's

life time in the number of breaths. Hatha Yogis can live very long; they

have strong muscles, not bulky ones. If this is translated to exercise, it

only leaves non-competitive aerobic sports that also make strong muscles and

not bulky ones. When being forced to vote for present day science on food

and exercise or the ancient science of Hatha Yoga, the vote goes to the

latter

 

Part of "exercise is good" is easy to understand. When running, the heart

was doing between 140 and 180 bpm. In rest, it was 48. So a simple

calculation showed that most of the time the heart was at leisure. Exercise

can create a higher capacity for vital organs and as exercise is only

30...90 minutes a day, there is a net gain. The extra oxygen that is needed

partly counteracts this and it becomes obvious (like fast 40+ aging) in

competitive sports where performance at all cost is the primary objective.

 

Jan

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jb wrote:

> When being forced to vote for present day science on food

> and exercise or the ancient science of Hatha Yoga, the vote goes to the

> latter

 

Thanx Jan for letting me know where you are coming from. I don't necessarily

separate the two tho.

> Part of "exercise is good" is easy to understand. When running, the heart

> was doing between 140 and 180 bpm. In rest, it was 48.

 

That's great. Well conditioned athletes are between 40-60.

I actually heard of marathoner (forgot his name) who had an amazing 29 beats

per minute.

 

Take Care.