Mice and Men/Scientifically sound and Spiritual Diets

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Hi,

 

I would like to share an experience I had and ask for enlightenment from

list members.

 

I met a young lady last year in China and was with her for a few days. She

and her acquaintances claimed that she had been in total fast for 5 years

and was still fasting, as an involuntary and unintentional result from Qi

Gong practice. She only drank a bit of water. A few more people also told

me that they had total fast too, but lasting only from a few days to a few

weeks. Again, as result from Qi Gong practice

 

I am still skeptical, but there were no motives for them to fabricate it if

there is no truth to it.

 

Welcome any wisdom from you all.

 

Best health,

 

Sam.

 

 

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I understand your logic Jan but it's not quite that simple. See when you

exercise correctly you raise your metabolic rate (during & resting) & no one

up on the science refutes the fact that proper exercise *extends* life.

Stay Healthy,

David

 

Harsha: Thanks Jan and David for the great lessons on nutrition. Thanks also

for sharing the example of your sister David. Perhaps you can explain more

of the ionized protein powders. I had not heard of them. I have heard of

scientific experiments with mice where the mice fed a starvation diet lived

a much longer life. It is also well known that people who fast periodically

tend to live longer. A couple of decades ago, I came across a book by Paul

Bragg on fasting. Jan had mentioned it once as well. The book was very

impressive as Paul Bragg himself fasted off and on throughout his life. I

believe he lived a pretty healthy life into his 90s. Fasting is a well known

practice in Yogic traditions. Diets are of course unique to individuals and

this is something to keep in my mind as Idris suggested. But it is nice to

know different ideas on nutrition that are out there. Perhaps we can help

Jerry make a better smoothie every morning.

[Guest guest]

Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote:

 

<snip>

>Diets are of course unique to individuals and

> this is something to keep in my mind as Idris suggested. But it is nice to

> know different ideas on nutrition that are out there. Perhaps we can help

> Jerry make a better smoothie every morning.

>

 

Mornin Harsha,

 

I remembered in the middle of the night how the saying

really is supposed to go.

 

"It is not what goes in to a man that defiles him but what

comes out."

 

Better huh? :-)

 

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Mornin Harsha,

 

I remembered in the middle of the night how the saying really is supposed to

go.

"It is not what goes in to a man that defiles him but what comes out."

Better huh? :-)

Marcia

 

 

Harsha: Thanks Marcia for your wisdom. Perhaps you can elaborate a bit more

on the meaning. What comes out of a man (woman) could also be interpreted to

purify him/her. Usually people feel better after answering calls of nature

and emptying themselves.

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On Tue, 18 May 1999 15:40:50 -0400 "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)"

<hluthar writes:

>"Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar

>

>Mornin Harsha,

>

>I remembered in the middle of the night how the saying really is

>supposed to

>go.

>"It is not what goes in to a man that defiles him but what comes

>out."

>Better huh? :-)

>Marcia

>

>

>Harsha: Thanks Marcia for your wisdom. Perhaps you can elaborate a bit

>more on the meaning. What comes out of a man (woman) could also be

>interpreted to

>purify him/her. Usually people feel better after answering calls of

>nature and emptying themselves.

>

As Capt. Jean-Luc Picard

might put it, "Let's end

this charade." The

aphorism goes something

like this, paraphrasing

J. Krishnamurti's response

to a listener who insisted

on penultimate importance

of vegetarianism: "You

would do well, sir, to be

less concerned with what

goes into your mouth and

more aware of what comes

out."

 

 

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Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote:

>Harsha: Thanks Marcia for your wisdom. Perhaps you can elaborate a bit more

> on the meaning. What comes out of a man (woman) could also be interpreted to

> purify him/her. Usually people feel better after answering calls of nature

> and emptying themselves.

 

Marcia:

 

It isn't literal. It is supposed to a play on words. You are supposed

to think that it means exactly what you think and then realize that it

can't mean that. People give out emanations. They have atmospheres

just like the earth. It doesn't come from what they eat in the organic

sense anyway. Some people are a natural center of gravity and

have drawing power. Others seem to repel. It comes from the

psychological country they inhabit. On that note emanations attract

and repel according to type but some people (gurus and so forth)

have such drawing power that they only attract unless they choose

otherwise.

 

"Views from the Real World, Early Talks of Gurdjieff"

 

"To free oneself of chemico-physical influences, one has to be

passive. I repeat, these are the influences which are due to the

emanations of the atmosphere of the body, of feeling, of

thought, and in some people also of ether. To be able to resist

these influences one has to be passive. Then one can become

a little freer of them. The law of attraction operates here. Like

attracts like. That is, everything goes toward the place where

there is more of the same kind. To him who has much, more

is given. From him who has little, even that is taken away.

 

If I am calm, my emanations are heavy so other emanations

come to me and I can absorb them, as much as I have room

for. But if I am agitated I have not enough emanations, for

they are going out to others.

 

If emanations come to me, they occupy empty places, for

they are necessary where there is a vacuum.

 

Emanations remain where there is calm, where there is no

friction, where there is an empty place. If there is no room,

if everything is full, emanations may hit against me but

they rebound or pass by. If I am calm, I have an empty

place so I can receive them; but if I am full they do not

trouble me. So I am ensured in either case."

[Guest guest]

>Harsha: Thanks Marcia for your wisdom. Perhaps you can elaborate a bit

>more on the meaning. What comes out of a man (woman) could also be

>interpreted to

>purify him/her. Usually people feel better after answering calls of

>nature and emptying themselves.

>

As Capt. Jean-Luc Picard

might put it, "Let's end

this charade." The

aphorism goes something

like this, paraphrasing

J. Krishnamurti's response

to a listener who insisted

on penultimate importance

of vegetarianism: "You

would do well, sir, to be

less concerned with what

goes into your mouth and

more aware of what comes

out."

 

Harsha: Thank you Sri Bruceji Maharaj. This will require some digestion. We

shall see soon what comes out from Marcia's end. It is possible Marcia was

using a different variation of this with a subtle play on words and it is

not meant to be taken literally. So yet still another meaning may be

possible. These food metaphors! So rich and earthy, and yet they convey so

much subtlety with such grace

 

:--).

[Guest guest]

 

Marcia Paul [jacpa]

Tuesday, May 18, 1999 4:01 PM

Re: Mice and Men/Scientifically sound and

Spiritual Diets

 

Marcia Paul <jacpa

 

 

 

Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote:

>Harsha: Thanks Marcia for your wisdom. Perhaps you can elaborate a bit more

> on the meaning. What comes out of a man (woman) could also be interpreted

to

> purify him/her. Usually people feel better after answering calls of nature

> and emptying themselves.

 

Marcia:

 

It isn't literal. It is supposed to a play on words. You are supposed

to think that it means exactly what you think and then realize that it

can't mean that.........

 

My apologies Marcia. I was just having fun. Sorry.

 

Harsha

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Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote:

>My apologies Marcia. I was just having fun. Sorry.

 

Marcia:

 

You are a sly one. You mean the joke was really on me?

:-)

[Guest guest]

"Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" wrote:

> I understand your logic Jan but it's not quite that simple. See when you

> exercise correctly you raise your metabolic rate (during & resting) & no one

> up on the science refutes the fact that proper exercise *extends* life.

> Stay Healthy,

> David

>

> Harsha: Thanks Jan and David for the great lessons on nutrition.

 

You are quite welcome.

> Perhaps you can explain more

> of the ionized protein powders. I had not heard of them.

 

Here's what you want. Ionic-exchanged whey protein isolate. The benefits are

not only enormous but exclusive only to this form. Don't go for whey protein

concentrate. Not bad stuff. In fact it's what ionic-exchanged whey is made from.

Whey concentrate is selected because it contains all the aminos in the correct

proportion

*&* then it's run through an enzymatic bath which produces all those

di & tripeptides (there's some in foods too but not to the same extent.)

which are chemical keys that trigger physiological responses in the body that

are

enormously healthy.

 

1. Immunity is enhanced by up to 500%. Whey is now used in treatment of cancer &

other

immune debilitating diseases in fact.

2. Insulin metabolism is optimized.

3.The BV (biological value) is the highest known. BV is the amount of protein

retained

in the body per gram absorbed. It scores a 159. Whey concentrate 104. Whole egg

100.

Milk 91. Fish 83. Beef 80. Chicken 79. Soy 74. Rice 59. Wheat 54. Beans 49.

Forget about fruit as a protein source.

4. Fat free.

5. Contains a lot of alanine & the branched chain aminos.

6. Cause sustained increases in glutathione, one of your most important anti

oxidants

and confers resistance to a variety of diseases & carcinogens.

7. Optimizes hormonal health.

(I'll stop for now, tho I've just started) If anyone wants a link to the

cheapest place

to get it let me know.)

> I have heard of scientific experiments with mice where the mice fed a

starvation diet

> lived

> a much longer life.

 

What does this mean? Well, it means the mice were being overfed to their

detriment previously with regard to the amount of energy they could expend.

To say eat less and leave it there is really doesn't mean much.

Less than what? We know with humans as one's *bodyfat percentage* rises so

do the disease rates. Bodyfat is by far our worst health risk. It cause more

illness than

all the environmental & nutrition problems, than smoking, alcohol & all other

drugs put

together. Infinitely worse than over-publicized AIDS.

 

Some quick facts:

1. Over weight (eating excesses) accounts for 25% of the deaths caused by cancer

in the

US.

2. A 10% increase above ideal body fat percentage cause a 6% increase in blood

pressure.

3. With 50 extra lbs risk of hypertension increases to 700%.

4. What medical & insurance companies consider 'normal' for bodyfat increases

cardiovascular risk in women 400%.

5. Very moderate overweight increases chance of adult-onset diabetes by 650%.

(I'll stop here for now)

 

It's not an issue of metabolic rate. If you sleep all day to lower your

metabolic

rate will you live longer? Of course not. The issue is *fat* and how *clean* is

the body burning it's fuel. Our bodies are fueled by the burning of food in the

furnaces

of the cells, your brain, muscle & organs. This internal fire is like wood or

oil but

burns more slowly & cleanly (produces less ash & debris) Burning foods in the

mitochondria

of muscle cells or logs in a fireplace all work by combing a spark with oxygen

to release

energy stored as fuel. This process is known as oxidation. It's important to

realize all

the food you eat is mainly light & air. Your body is almost all light & air. For

health &

longevity you don't stop oxidation you maximize it. Oxidation is the basic

process of

biological life. Uncontrolled oxidation is the villain. In controlled oxidation

pairs of

hydrogen atoms fire off from the fuel

to hit oxygen released by hemoglobin in your blood to cause explosive reactions

of stored

sunlight & form harmless waste products of water & carbon dioxide. 95% of this

process is

clean & produces hardly any free radicals. But 5% of the energy release is

uncontrolled

oxidation in the form of free radicals. They are like sparks that put burns in

your

carpet. Unless you shield them they put wholes in your body & manifest as

disease. This is

where antioxidants come in.

 

If anyone is interested I can post a reasonable antioxidant program detailing

what & how

much to take. There's many different kinds of free radicals & antioxidants so in

order to

be effective one needs to take many different kinds in the correct proportion.

> It is also well known that people who fast periodically

> tend to live longer.

 

It's a bit more complex than that. See, I could fast quite a bit, smoke,

eat bacon all day, never exercise and I probably wouldn't do so hot.

Conversely I could never fast, exercise properly, eat all the right clean foods

&

supplements, not smoke etc. and do much better. I think you can begin to see

the

complexity.

 

I would only recommend fasting to someone who is in toxic overload or

approaching

toxic overload. Because fasting in and of itself is very unhealthy I can offer

an

alternative to fasting that is much healthier. Implement a broad spectrum anti

oxidant

program, take it every day, eat only pure clean foods (some processed in

moderation)

and drink distilled water. My sister who I mentioned earlier does not

periodically fast.

She doesn't need too. She's eliminated toxins from the diet to begin with and

what little

toxins she does get is very easily handled by the body and she is not exposed to

the

detrimental effects of fasting.

 

Review of latest aging data by gerontology experts Ken Manton & Eric Stallard of

Duke Univ

suggests the current scientific knowledge is sufficiently advanced to support

maximum

lifespans in the US & Canada of 130 for men & 136 for women.

 

To put the record straight the oldest human with valid documentation is a

Frenchwoman

named Jean Calment who died in 1998 at 122.

 

David

(at your service)

 

Feel free to forward as inclined

[Guest guest]

Thanks David for a lot of fascinating and excellent information. I appreciate

your taking the

time to do so and its nice to be up on the latest scientific research on

nutrition. I will

forward your post as it might be helpful for some people. Thanks again David and

you have our

gratitude.

 

Harsha

 

David Bozzi wrote:

> > Harsha: Thanks Jan and David for the great lessons on nutrition.

>

> You are quite welcome.

>

> > Perhaps you can explain more

> > of the ionized protein powders. I had not heard of them.

>

> Here's what you want. Ionic-exchanged whey protein isolate. The benefits are

> not only enormous but exclusive only to this form. Don't go for whey protein

> concentrate. Not bad stuff. In fact it's what ionic-exchanged whey is made

from.

> Whey concentrate is selected because it contains all the aminos in the correct

proportion

> *&* then it's run through an enzymatic bath which produces all those

> di & tripeptides (there's some in foods too but not to the same extent.)

> which are chemical keys that trigger physiological responses in the body that

are

> enormously healthy.

>

> 1. Immunity is enhanced by up to 500%. Whey is now used in treatment of cancer

& other

> immune debilitating diseases in fact.

> 2. Insulin metabolism is optimized.

> 3.The BV (biological value) is the highest known. BV is the amount of protein

retained

> in the body per gram absorbed. It scores a 159. Whey concentrate 104. Whole

egg 100.

> Milk 91. Fish 83. Beef 80. Chicken 79. Soy 74. Rice 59. Wheat 54. Beans 49.

> Forget about fruit as a protein source.

> 4. Fat free.

> 5. Contains a lot of alanine & the branched chain aminos.

> 6. Cause sustained increases in glutathione, one of your most important anti

oxidants

> and confers resistance to a variety of diseases & carcinogens.

> 7. Optimizes hormonal health.

> (I'll stop for now, tho I've just started) If anyone wants a link to the

cheapest place

> to get it let me know.)

>

> > I have heard of scientific experiments with mice where the mice fed a

starvation diet

> > lived

> > a much longer life.

>

> What does this mean? Well, it means the mice were being overfed to their

> detriment previously with regard to the amount of energy they could expend.

> To say eat less and leave it there is really doesn't mean much.

> Less than what? We know with humans as one's *bodyfat percentage* rises so

> do the disease rates. Bodyfat is by far our worst health risk. It cause more

illness than

> all the environmental & nutrition problems, than smoking, alcohol & all other

drugs put

> together. Infinitely worse than over-publicized AIDS.

>

> Some quick facts:

> 1. Over weight (eating excesses) accounts for 25% of the deaths caused by

cancer in the

> US.

> 2. A 10% increase above ideal body fat percentage cause a 6% increase in blood

pressure.

> 3. With 50 extra lbs risk of hypertension increases to 700%.

> 4. What medical & insurance companies consider 'normal' for bodyfat increases

> cardiovascular risk in women 400%.

> 5. Very moderate overweight increases chance of adult-onset diabetes by 650%.

> (I'll stop here for now)

>

> It's not an issue of metabolic rate. If you sleep all day to lower your

metabolic

> rate will you live longer? Of course not. The issue is *fat* and how *clean*

is

> the body burning it's fuel. Our bodies are fueled by the burning of food in

the furnaces

> of the cells, your brain, muscle & organs. This internal fire is like wood or

oil but

> burns more slowly & cleanly (produces less ash & debris) Burning foods in the

mitochondria

> of muscle cells or logs in a fireplace all work by combing a spark with oxygen

to release

> energy stored as fuel. This process is known as oxidation. It's important to

realize all

> the food you eat is mainly light & air. Your body is almost all light & air.

For health &

> longevity you don't stop oxidation you maximize it. Oxidation is the basic

process of

> biological life. Uncontrolled oxidation is the villain. In controlled

oxidation pairs of

> hydrogen atoms fire off from the fuel

> to hit oxygen released by hemoglobin in your blood to cause explosive

reactions of stored

> sunlight & form harmless waste products of water & carbon dioxide. 95% of this

process is

> clean & produces hardly any free radicals. But 5% of the energy release is

uncontrolled

> oxidation in the form of free radicals. They are like sparks that put burns in

your

> carpet. Unless you shield them they put wholes in your body & manifest as

disease. This is

> where antioxidants come in.

>

> If anyone is interested I can post a reasonable antioxidant program detailing

what & how

> much to take. There's many different kinds of free radicals & antioxidants so

in order to

> be effective one needs to take many different kinds in the correct proportion.

>

> > It is also well known that people who fast periodically

> > tend to live longer.

>

> It's a bit more complex than that. See, I could fast quite a bit, smoke,

> eat bacon all day, never exercise and I probably wouldn't do so hot.

> Conversely I could never fast, exercise properly, eat all the right clean

foods &

> supplements, not smoke etc. and do much better. I think you can begin to see

the

> complexity.

>

> I would only recommend fasting to someone who is in toxic overload or

approaching

> toxic overload. Because fasting in and of itself is very unhealthy I can

offer an

> alternative to fasting that is much healthier. Implement a broad spectrum anti

oxidant

> program, take it every day, eat only pure clean foods (some processed in

moderation)

> and drink distilled water. My sister who I mentioned earlier does not

periodically fast.

> She doesn't need too. She's eliminated toxins from the diet to begin with and

what little

> toxins she does get is very easily handled by the body and she is not exposed

to the

> detrimental effects of fasting.

>

> Review of latest aging data by gerontology experts Ken Manton & Eric Stallard

of Duke Univ

> suggests the current scientific knowledge is sufficiently advanced to support

maximum

> lifespans in the US & Canada of 130 for men & 136 for women.

>

> To put the record straight the oldest human with valid documentation is a

Frenchwoman

> named Jean Calment who died in 1998 at 122.

>

> David

> (at your service)

>

> Feel free to forward as inclined

>

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>

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No matter what,

 

The occasional Bannana Split with Chocolate, strawberry, pineapple,

whipped cream for dinner is not all bad

 

maitri,

 

--janpa tsomo

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"Debora A. Orf" wrote:

> No matter what,

>

> The occasional Bannana Split with Chocolate, strawberry, pineapple,

> whipped cream for dinner is not all bad

 

Not bad?

That's heavenly.

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At 10:44 PM 5/18/99 -0400, you wrote:

>"Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar

>

>its nice to be up on the latest scientific research on nutrition.

 

Why?

 

What does this fragile, dying thing called a "body" have to do with

spirituality at all? How can prolonging the life of this chunk of bone and

flesh have the slightest thing to do with the birthless, deathless Atman

(Self)?

 

Genuinely curious,

 

Tim

 

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So much identification with the body, and with the pleasures of the senses.

 

 

At 11:24 PM 5/18/99 -0400, you wrote:

>David Bozzi <david.bozzi

>

>"Debora A. Orf" wrote:

>

>> No matter what,

>>

>> The occasional Bannana Split with Chocolate, strawberry, pineapple,

>> whipped cream for dinner is not all bad

>

>Not bad?

>That's heavenly.

 

 

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Hello there Sam,

 

Ah Sam wrote:

> I met a young lady last year in China and was with her for a few days. She

> and her acquaintances claimed that she had been in total fast for 5 years

> and was still fasting, as an involuntary and unintentional result from Qi

> Gong practice. She only drank a bit of water. A few more people also told

> me that they had total fast too, but lasting only from a few days to a few

> weeks. Again, as result from Qi Gong practice

>

> I am still skeptical, but there were no motives for them to fabricate it if

> there is no truth to it.

>

> Welcome any wisdom from you all.

 

If someone lies there's always a reason.

[Guest guest]

> Tim Gerchmez <fewtch

>

> At 10:44 PM 5/18/99 -0400, you wrote:

> >"Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar

> >

> >its nice to be up on the latest scientific research on nutrition.

>

> Why?

>

> What does this fragile, dying thing called a "body" have to do with

> spirituality at all? How can prolonging the life of this chunk

> of bone and

> flesh have the slightest thing to do with the birthless, deathless Atman

> (Self)?

>

> Genuinely curious,

>

> Tim

 

Anyone who isn't satisfied with occasional spiritual experiences, but wants

to transcend all veils that separate one from Atman, so that Atman becomes

"24 hour a day reality, independent of activity or thoughts", needs a very

strong, resilient body to bear the power of Kundalini. So longevity isn't a

goal at all; it is just a by-product. Apart from that, one has to be free

from fear, caused by the loss of body or parts of it.

 

Jan

[Guest guest]

>Sam: I met a young lady last year in China and was with her for a few

> days. She

> and her acquaintances claimed that she had been in total fast for 5 years

> and was still fasting, as an involuntary and unintentional result from Qi

> Gong practice. She only drank a bit of water. A few more people

> also told

> me that they had total fast too, but lasting only from a few days

> to a few

> weeks. Again, as result from Qi Gong practice

>

> I am still skeptical, but there were no motives for them to

> fabricate it if

> there is no truth to it.

>

> Welcome any wisdom from you all.

>

> Best health,

>

> Sam.

 

Instead of believing, I would have taken a simple test, having the lady

exercise with an intensity that will cause her to perspire. Anyone living

like a breatharian will produce perspiration fluid that is almost pure water

and of course that perspiration can't be smelly. The mere refusal to undergo

the test would have been interpreted as an answer.

 

Jan

(truth is always simple)

 

Harsha: It would appear that elementary sniffing on your part Sam would have

gotten to the bottom of this whole matter. Which makes me wonder, if one is

going to sniff out the truth in this context, where should one start. From

the top or from the bottom (or would just sniffing in the general vicinity

be more appropriate and perhaps within the parameters of common courtesy).

:--). You guys (gals) are great!

[Guest guest]

There are stories of a lady (in India,

who has received enlightment and never

eats.

QiQong is a balancing energy technique

much as Reiki is. Reiki has been called

a Lazy man's qiqong. Another name for

QiQong is chi Gong or (japanese) TAI

Gong.

 

Ah Sam wrote:

>

> "Ah Sam" <ah__sam

>

> Hi,

>

> I would like to share an experience I had and ask for enlightenment from

> list members.

>

> I met a young lady last year in China and was with her for a few days. She

> and her acquaintances claimed that she had been in total fast for 5 years

> and was still fasting, as an involuntary and unintentional result from Qi

> Gong practice. She only drank a bit of water. A few more people also told

> me that they had total fast too, but lasting only from a few days to a few

> weeks. Again, as result from Qi Gong practice

>

> I am still skeptical, but there were no motives for them to fabricate it if

> there is no truth to it.

>

> Welcome any wisdom from you all.

>

> Best health,

>

> Sam.

>

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Carolyn Maloney wrote:

> There are stories of a lady (in India,

> who has received enlightment and never

> eats.

> QiQong is a balancing energy technique

> much as Reiki is. Reiki has been called

> a Lazy man's qiqong. Another name for

> QiQong is chi Gong or (japanese) TAI

> Gong.

 

In an article in the "Noetic Sciences" it states Qi Gong masters'

 

claim that they can modulate AC current, from any common source

 

such as a wall socket.

 

 

The author says he witnessed a master grab two live wires, and

 

light a light bulb by touching it with other fingers from both hands,

 

regulate the voltage with will, and not suffer from electrocution.

 

(I should hope not, otherwise stick with the lamp method.)

 

 

The author's colleague's muscles went into spasm when touched by

 

the master. Whether he went into spasm or not was controlled by

 

the master.

 

The author allowed the master to touch him for a second and said

 

he did indeed feel "live."

 

 

For the final demonstration the master grabbed the wires along with two

 

skewers in each hand, stuck them into a pork chop which began

 

to smoke and flame. (Now I'm hungary)

 

 

No damage to the master's skin or severe heart irregularity or seizure.

 

 

The author was David Eisenberg, MD who is interested in conducting

 

controlled studies for this phenomena.

 

 

The healing potentials are the underlying reason for practicing Qi Gong,

 

(not cooking pork chops).

 

David