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At 07:10 AM 5/24/99 -0500, you wrote:

>Dharma <fisher1

>It isn't just a feeling... at those moments you ARE transcending lower

>levels/states of consciousness.

 

According to Jerry (Katz), there are no 'levels' of consciousness, there is

consciousness only. I choose to view things the same way. There is

nothing but consciousness, and to divide it into "levels" is dualistic. At

the same time, I see where you're coming from and what you mean. From a

nondual standpoint, there are no dilemmas, paradoxes or contradictions :-)

>As you clear away the blocks, you'll have more and more energy getting all

>the way to crown chakra... you can clear away stuff from crown chakra

>too... and open it up wide.

 

I like to think the biggest block is the belief that there is a small self

there at all. If that block can be gotten past somehow, there won't be

anything to clear away, and nobody there to clear it. It would almost be

like taking the whole chunk of junk away in one fell swoop. Of course, not

everyone comes to a deep and lasting realization (of no-self), most have to

clear away the dross gradually. It all depends on how Grace walks us.

 

With Love,

 

Tim

 

 

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Hi Tim G.,

>>It isn't just a feeling... at those moments you ARE transcending lower

>>levels/states of consciousness.

>

>According to Jerry (Katz), there are no 'levels' of consciousness, there is

>consciousness only.

 

It's metaphoric. As Harsha said,

>The awareness by its very nature will usually be

>focused somewhere or the other in the presence of stimuli (internal or

>external). The essential element is not where awareness is focused but to be

>aware of the quality of awareness itself.

 

To speak of levels or planes or states of consciousness is a way of

speaking about where the awareness is focussed. We can talk in terms of

higher and lower... or deeper within... or in terms of circles or

spheres... but we have to do _some_ abstracting in order to talk at all.

 

>>As you clear away the blocks, you'll have more and more energy getting all

>>the way to crown chakra... you can clear away stuff from crown chakra

>>too... and open it up wide.

>

>I like to think the biggest block is the belief that there is a small self

>there at all. If that block can be gotten past somehow, there won't be

>anything to clear away, and nobody there to clear it. It would almost be

>like taking the whole chunk of junk away in one fell swoop. Of course, not

>everyone comes to a deep and lasting realization (of no-self), most have to

>clear away the dross gradually. It all depends on how Grace walks us.

 

It's possible to leap past it all... and go into the All. That's what I

did at a fairly young age. But that doesn't rid the body/bodies of the

accumulation of karmic stuff. When I came back, I hadn't suddenly become

perfect, with no personality problems... or no personality. ) After I

went into the All, I still needed to use the personality vehicles (the

bodies) as long as I wanted to stay in incarnation. And I still had the

same personality problems... the same karmic sludge... to clean up. I

knew what I was... knew I wasn't the personality... but the problems were

still there. Sooner or later, you've gotta do the work.

 

Harsha can explain better, maybe... I've seen some very good material he's

written about it.

 

Jamgon Kongtrul (in _Creation and Completion_) says that it is "possible to

perceive the truth of reality... even without following the stages of

practice." But he says this way is not certain, and it has dangers or

pitfalls... better, he says, to take the gradual path.

>The class of exceptional esoteric instructions

>is said to be the "awareness path," and as such

>it is not definite that one must begin with calm abiding.

>When the nature of naked awareness itself without exaggeration or denial

>is revealed,

>it is sufficient just to become accustomed to that.

>However, if the true nature is not unerringly revealed,

>then even the profound esoteric instructions will be difficult to assimilate.

>In that case, it is better to tread the gradual path.

 

Love,

Dharma

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Dharma <fisher1

 

It's possible to leap past it all... and go into the All. That's what I

did at a fairly young age. But that doesn't rid the body/bodies of the

accumulation of karmic stuff. When I came back, I hadn't suddenly become

perfect, with no personality problems... or no personality. ) After I

went into the All, I still needed to use the personality vehicles (the

bodies) as long as I wanted to stay in incarnation. And I still had the

same personality problems... the same karmic sludge... to clean up. I

knew what I was... knew I wasn't the personality... but the problems were

still there. Sooner or later, you've gotta do the work.

 

Harsha can explain better, maybe... I've seen some very good material he's

written about it.

 

 

Thanks Dharma but you are doing just fine. When you have practiced and

experienced and taught as much as you have Dharma, explaining these things

comes naturally. We are fortunate to have some very gifted and talented

people on this list. Thank you all.

 

Harsha