Guest guest Posted May 24, 1999 Report Share Posted May 24, 1999 Dear Dharma: Thank you so much for bringing up this topic. It was so very well put. Often we get a taste of what it's all about simply to keep us moving towards the goal but as you said "sooner or later, you've gotta do the work". Linda Dharma <fisher1 It's possible to leap past it all... and go into the All. That's what I did at a fairly young age. But that doesn't rid the body/bodies of the accumulation of karmic stuff. When I came back, I hadn't suddenly become perfect, with no personality problems... or no personality. ) After I went into the All, I still needed to use the personality vehicles (the bodies) as long as I wanted to stay in incarnation. And I still had the same personality problems... the same karmic sludge... to clean up. I knew what I was... knew I wasn't the personality... but the problems were still there. Sooner or later, you've gotta do the work. Harsha can explain better, maybe... I've seen some very good material he's written about it. Thanks Dharma but you are doing just fine. When you have practiced and experienced and taught as much as you have Dharma, explaining these things comes naturally. We are fortunate to have some very gifted and talented people on this list. Thank you all. Harsha ------ ONElist: where the world talks! Join a new list today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 1999 Report Share Posted May 24, 1999 Dear Dharma, At 11:16 AM 5/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >Dharma <fisher1 <snipped, but read carefully and considered> >Jamgon Kongtrul (in _Creation and Completion_) says that it is "possible to >perceive the truth of reality... even without following the stages of >practice." But he says this way is not certain, and it has dangers or >pitfalls... better, he says, to take the gradual path. "Danger" and "pitfall" are not words in my vocabulary! What can possibly harm The Absolute? Honest... I laugh at the concept of danger. What's the "worst" that could happen? I could go insane? I doubt that, as there is nobody here to go insane (orrrrr... perhaps I'm insane already.. muahahahaha ;-). I could die? Fine, another incarnation would most likely await, and hopefully better than this miserable one! :-) As for pitfalls... there is all of eternity to "attain" realization. If it doesn't happen in this lifetime, it will happen in one of the next few, I'm sure of it. I don't worry over such silly things as "spiritual dangers" anymore. I've already been there, done that, and got several T-shirts to prove I survived a kind of hell few have ever returned from alive and sane (and yes, maybe there is a little ego in that statement, but it's only the truth - further details on request). With Love, Tim ----- Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Tim's Windows and DOS Shareware/Freeware is at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/shareware.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 1999 Report Share Posted May 24, 1999 Hi Linda, >Thank you so much for bringing up this topic. It was so very well put. >Often we get a taste of what it's all about simply to keep us moving towards >the goal but as you said "sooner or later, you've gotta do the work". Maybe I wasn't clear. I didn't just get a taste of something... I went into the All. Brahman. The Godhead. The clear light. I don't think it's possible to get just a taste of That. It can't be handed out in dollops... or spoonfuls. I don't think it was a reward or an incentive to keep me moving. It was unconditional. Jesus said: ask and you will receive... knock and it will be opened... seek and you will find. And it's true... the universe is beneficent. It didn't seem to matter that I wasn't perfect... that I still had personality problems. I asked for what I wanted more than anything else... to know God... to really _know_. It didn't matter that I wasn't a perfect person afterward... I didn't expect that... never thought of it. A year or two afterward I went to see a very good spiritual reader. I didn't tell her anything. She said, "It's like there's a very tall ladder, and you _leaped_ up to the top of it. But now... now you've got to go back and climb every rung. Fill in all those rungs." So that's what I've been doing all these years, while I was teaching and so on... filling in the rungs... climbing on the ladder. But not to get to the top... Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 1999 Report Share Posted May 24, 1999 At 03:45 PM 5/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >"Linda Callanan" <shastra > >Dear Dharma: > >Thank you so much for bringing up this topic. It was so very well put. >Often we get a taste of what it's all about simply to keep us moving towards >the goal but as you said "sooner or later, you've gotta do the work". There is no "me" here to do any work. Honest, if there was a "me" here I would work my tail off (at what?), but unfortunately there is nothing but the Absolute. Nothing at all. OM, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 1999 Report Share Posted May 24, 1999 Tim Gerchmez wrote: <snip> > As for pitfalls... there is all of eternity to "attain" realization. If it > doesn't happen in this lifetime, it will happen in one of the next few, I'm > sure of it. > > I don't worry over such silly things as "spiritual dangers" anymore. I've > already been there, done that, and got several T-shirts to prove I survived > a kind of hell few have ever returned from alive and sane (and yes, maybe > there is a little ego in that statement, but it's only the truth - further > details on request). Marcia: What about the little things? Like caring for a child? Or going to work everyday? Or following something through from beginning to end? Maybe that is realization? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 1999 Report Share Posted May 24, 1999 Dear Dharma: You made yourself very clear perhaps I didn't. The experience of knowing God is what encourages me as I walk up the mountain while. The knowledge that no matter what my personality is perceiving at any given moment is not the truth was part of the gift. It makes walking up the mountain (my version of the ladder) not a chore but an adventure and I know that I am actually the mountain. Even though there are times that I do forget . Linda A year or two afterward I went to see a very good spiritual reader. I didn't tell her anything. She said, "It's like there's a very tall ladder, and you _leaped_ up to the top of it. But now... now you've got to go back and climb every rung. Fill in all those rungs." So that's what I've been doing all these years, while I was teaching and so on... filling in the rungs... climbing on the ladder. But not to get to the top... Love, Dharma ------ Where do some of the Internet's largest email lists reside? At ONElist - the most scalable and reliable service on the Internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 1999 Report Share Posted May 25, 1999 Dharma wrote: > Maybe I wasn't clear. I didn't just get a taste of something... I went > into the All. Brahman. The Godhead. The clear light. I don't think it's > possible to get just a taste of That. It can't be handed out in dollops... > or spoonfuls. Though mystical experience does provide us with a wonderful impression about our true nature that can affect us deeply and cause us to realize death is but illusion for the rest of our humanly life your experience in the world today is testimony it was *not* *the* Godhead. Otherwise your heart would have stopped and then perhaps, just maybe it would have been what you thought it was. Only there'd be no 'you', no after thought & no world to 'return' to. Namaste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 1999 Report Share Posted May 25, 1999 Marcia Paul wrote: > > What about the little things? Like caring for a child? Have to stop you right there.Raising a healthy, sane child capable of conducting love freely has got to be one of the most if not noblest things a human being can do. > Or going to > work everyday? Or following something through from beginning > to end? Maybe that is realization? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 1999 Report Share Posted May 25, 1999 Message: 22 Mon, 24 May 1999 18:34:51 -0400 "Linda Callanan" <shastra Re: Dharma/Re: Astro Reviews << Dear Dharma: You made yourself very clear perhaps I didn't. The experience of knowing God is what encourages me as I walk up the mountain while. The knowledge that no matter what my personality is perceiving at any given moment is not the truth was part of the gift. It makes walking up the mountain (my version of the ladder) not a chore but an adventure and I know that I am actually the mountain. Even though there are times that I do forget . >> Dear Linda, Those time that you forget, are they not times, after, when you realize that you had not forgotten even then? Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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