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> Keith Nightingale <keithnightingale

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> It has come to my attention over the years of netting that there are a

> number of totally enlightened beings out there.

 

Which brings out the question "hoe to recognize an enlightened being"?.

> Not only totally enlightened but driven by overwhelming

> compassion to teach

> those "with only a little dust in their eyes".

 

The term "totally enlightened" suggests the possibility of "partly

enlightened". Doesn't being subjected to urges suggest one should continue

sadhana instead of start teaching?

> This would be no problem except for one thing ... none of the

> great unwashed

> seem to be interested ... and the only ones who do seem to be interested

> think that they are totally enlightened as well and therefore

> don't need to

> listen to the truth.

>

> Jeez !!!!!!!!!!

 

Doesn't this reveal a serious wanting_to_be_teacher problem? A friendly

advice: Continue sadhana until freed from all urges :)

>

> Anyway I got to thinking why should each enlightened being suffer

> alone...(even if there is no one else).

 

Isn't enlightenment supposed to be the end of suffering? Apart from that, it

can even be the end of pain which is "mind over matter" in a literal sense.

> In the proud tradition of the nineties ... I suggest that all afflicted

> consider joining a support group for the enlightened, but frustrated at

> being ignored, spiritual teachers.

 

As long as one is able to experience frustration, one has to continue

sadhana. This way, frustration will vanish as well as all tendencies (like

the one to teach).

> Truly there is NO SHAME in finding yourself in this awkward position.

> There even appears to be some research evidence suggesting a

> genetic effect.

 

Isn't shame a non-issue for any enlightened one?

> It is not your fault.

 

Thank you :)

> I suggest something loosely based on the twelve step program.

 

Bringing in the teacher through the backdoor?

>

> Remember ...

> together we can be strong and overcome or at least learn to cope

> with this

> crippling condition.

 

Isn't that weird algebra? There is only one "real nature" that can neither

be multiplied nor divided and it is free from all conditions.

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Hi everyone,

 

It has come to my attention over the years of netting that there are a

number of totally enlightened beings out there.

 

Not only totally enlightened but driven by overwhelming compassion to teach

those "with only a little dust in their eyes".

 

This would be no problem except for one thing ... none of the great unwashed

seem to be interested ... and the only ones who do seem to be interested

think that they are totally enlightened as well and therefore don't need to

listen to the truth.

 

Jeez !!!!!!!!!!

 

Anyway I got to thinking why should each enlightened being suffer

alone...(even if there is no one else).

 

In the proud tradition of the nineties ... I suggest that all afflicted

consider joining a support group for the enlightened, but frustrated at

being ignored, spiritual teachers.

 

Truly there is NO SHAME in finding yourself in this awkward position.

There even appears to be some research evidence suggesting a genetic effect.

 

It is not your fault.

 

I suggest something loosely based on the twelve step program.

 

 

Remember ...

together we can be strong and overcome or at least learn to cope with this

crippling condition.

 

 

 

 

Much Love

 

Keith Nightingale / Swaraja

 

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Only when you can accept your own enlightenment will you be able to identify

another as enlightened

..... because only then will you have a 'frame of reference' ...

 

You cannot recognise in another what you cannot recognise in yourself

 

 

With Respect

Chris Wynter, Hobart, Tasmania

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wynter

http://www.anunda.com

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> > >

> > > It has come to my attention over the years of netting that there are a

> > > number of totally enlightened beings out there.

> >

> > Which brings out the question "hoe to recognize an enlightened being"?.

> >

> > > Not only totally enlightened but driven by overwhelming

> > > compassion to teach

> > > those "with only a little dust in their eyes".

> >

> > The term "totally enlightened" suggests the possibility of "partly

> > enlightened". Doesn't being subjected to urges suggest one should

> continue

> > sadhana instead of start teaching?

> >

> > > This would be no problem except for one thing ... none of the

> > > great unwashed

> > > seem to be interested ... and the only ones who do seem to be

> interested

> > > think that they are totally enlightened as well and therefore

> > > don't need to

> > > listen to the truth.

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If it were true that only the deeply enlightened had anything to teach

about nonduality, these mailing lists would be about as useful as a copy of

the National Enquirer, and maybe only 4 or 5 "master gurus" (Jesus, Buddha,

etc) in all of history would have anything valid to say.

 

Never make the mistake of thinking that a "beginner" has nothing to teach.

Often those who are "advanced" have more to learn from beginners than the

other way around. The teaching/learning frame of mind is always the best.

Reject "spiritual authority!"

 

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> Fiona & Chris Wynter <lifestreams

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> Re: Proposed Support Group

> Sunday, June 06, 1999 8:08 PM

>

> "Fiona & Chris Wynter" <lifestreams

>

> Only when you can accept your own enlightenment will you be able to

identify another as enlightened

> .... because only then will you have a 'frame of reference' ...

>

> You cannot recognise in another what you cannot recognise in yourself

>

>

> With Respect

> Chris Wynter, Hobart, Tasmania

> _________________

>

> wynter

> http://www.anunda.com

> ____________________

>

> > > >

> > > > It has come to my attention over the years of netting that there

are a

> > > > number of totally enlightened beings out there.

> > >

> > > Which brings out the question "hoe to recognize an enlightened

being"?.

> > >

> > > > Not only totally enlightened but driven by overwhelming

> > > > compassion to teach

> > > > those "with only a little dust in their eyes".

> > >

> > > The term "totally enlightened" suggests the possibility of "partly

> > > enlightened". Doesn't being subjected to urges suggest one should

> > continue

> > > sadhana instead of start teaching?

> > >

> > > > This would be no problem except for one thing ... none of the

> > > > great unwashed

> > > > seem to be interested ... and the only ones who do seem to be

> > interested

> > > > think that they are totally enlightened as well and therefore

> > > > don't need to

> > > > listen to the truth.

>

>

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Tim Gerchmez wrote:

>

> If it were true that only the deeply enlightened had anything to teach

> about nonduality, these mailing lists would be about as useful as a copy of

> the National Enquirer, and maybe only 4 or 5 "master gurus" (Jesus, Buddha,

> etc) in all of history would have anything valid to say.

>

> Never make the mistake of thinking that a "beginner" has nothing to teach.

> Often those who are "advanced" have more to learn from beginners than the

> other way around. The teaching/learning frame of mind is always the best.

> Reject "spiritual authority!"

 

It's true that we need to recognize the authority or knowledge within

ourselves and within others as well. As Gene mentions, the Golden Rule

applies and may be re-worded for these Enlightenment Days: "Recognize

the state of enlightened awareness in others, even as you would have

them recognize that within you." It's a shame that it has to be stated,

but it does, for some of us, not all. What it implies is that there are

stages of growth even for the enlightened one.

 

Jerry

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