Guest guest Posted June 6, 1999 Report Share Posted June 6, 1999 Dear Harsha I put this observation / question of you as I have great respect for your broad knowledge of spiritual matters. having read Yoganandas "Autobiography of a YogiDivine Romance" (beautiful books) and other noteworth spiritual people. I find that there is disagreement on the topic of sex. Yogananda who is the ideal devotee of God, in my view, says that it should just be induldged in for the purpose of producing children. Many other Yogic saints seem to be of the same opinion. Osho who I asume was also God realised tells a different story as do some others in the Tantric mould. The trillogy "Conversations with God", which appeals to me as a very common sense down to earth channeled "God", advocates Tantric sexual/spiritual bliss as God given. I assumed that when people became God realised they would know the truth of everything and yet it appears that while they are agreed on the main Truth that all are One the rest is influenced by their own marital or non marital status. Harsha could you please shed some light on this?? Also: (within a spiritual context) Now I am at a major cross roads in my life having just lost my buisness. (Freedom at last ) (1) I can stay with my wife who is a very volatile person but we are fond of each other. ( I have been living at the buisness most of the time to save money) (2) I could find a place of my own having got used to my own company and be celibate. (3) I could look for a new partner who is on the spiritual path and not be celibate. I am attracted to Tantric as a spiritual expression of love The two joined to become one with God, which I have never experienced, is as I have said very attractive to me. If one is going to make love it seems in order to dedicate this to God also; after all He invented it and there would be nothing in this world without it. It seems that in the past I have not had a spiritual attitude in this area and I would like to worship the Godess within another as well as having a partner who would be prepared to look on the Shiva within me with similar respect. I am open to all sugestions with understanding of the next statments. (A) My most important desire is to do God's will. (B) That if I do have a new reationship it is based on God first for both of us. Finally I have been married for tewnty years and my wife and I do have a good relationship but we both now feel that the "soul contract" is now up and while we can both continue to work together doing Reiki, space is needed by both of us. Chris Sai Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 1999 Report Share Posted June 6, 1999 At 08:05 PM 6/6/99 +0100, you wrote: >Chris Hughes <aird.house > I am open to all sugestions with understanding of the next statments. > > (A) My most important desire is to do God's will. YOU ARE GOD. Therefore, follow your heart. With Love, Tim ----- Messenge me live with Messenger - For info go to http://messenger./ Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 1999 Report Share Posted June 7, 1999 The message <3.0.5.32.19990606124615.008e9320 from Tim Gerchmez <fewtch contains these words: > Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > At 08:05 PM 6/6/99 +0100, you wrote: > >Chris Hughes <aird.house > > I am open to all sugestions with understanding of the next statments. > > > > (A) My most important desire is to do God's will. > YOU ARE GOD. Therefore, follow your heart. > With Love, > Tim Dear Tim thanks for the above and kind advice. I know this is the Truth but I dont as yet have the experience of THAT to back it up. My heart is pulled by attatchment to my children It is very difficult to know the highest choice. If I was a fisher on the sea of Galille I would have laid down my net and followed Jesus leaving all behind. No doubt the answer will present it self to me in time. Chris Sai Ram > ----- > Messenge me live with Messenger - > For info go to http://messenger./ > Visit The Core of the WWW at: > http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html > Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. > ------ > Have you entered ONElist's "Grow to Give" program? > > Deadline is June 19. Join now to win $5000 for your charity of choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 1999 Report Share Posted June 7, 1999 Chris Hughes wrote: > My heart is pulled by attatchment to my children It is very difficult > to know the highest choice. > If I was a fisher on the sea of Galille I would have laid down my net > and followed Jesus leaving all behind. That would have been too easy and in itself could be an escape of sorts. You have children? I challenge you to make them more important than yourself. > No doubt the answer will present it self to me in time. Answer is here now. Will you present yourself to it? David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 1999 Report Share Posted June 8, 1999 The message <375C59A6.A3E5D604 from David Bozzi <david.bozzi contains these words: > David Bozzi <david.bozzi > Chris Hughes wrote: > > My heart is pulled by attatchment to my children It is very difficult > > to know the highest choice. > > If I was a fisher on the sea of Galille I would have laid down my net > > and followed Jesus leaving all behind. > That would have been too easy and > in itself could be an escape of sorts. Very true David but its as well some followed Jesus. Is not devotion to God an escape from the illusion of this world (Maya) > You have children? > I challenge you to make them more important than yourself. A little story. At the age of thirty I had to leave the children of my first marriage I did this with great guilt and remorse but my wife of then was a heavy drinker though not a problem drinker and I a recovering alcholic would not have lived to tell this tale if I had remained in that enviroment, having tried very hard to remain sober but each time returning to the bottle and becoming suicidal as a result. The Kids are now married and I a young Grand-father. They come see me often and there is love between us. I gave away my daughter in marriage and sat at the top table with ex wife and her partner who became a good father to my children. I have seen various clairvoyants who have all said the same thing "I have many children,(young souls) though not of my seed, who need my love. If they are to believed it would appear that I am a light worker awaiting the wake up call in order to help people through these difficult times. I did not look for this resposibility but life seems to be evolving in this way. Yogananda prayed thus. (Think it was him) God help me to love you as much as you love me Lord help me to love others as much as you love me. I have experienced once the feeling of bliss when all were one to me and I loved all others equally. If I am not to be living with my children that does not mean that I do not love them. If I could give an example. First there was one child and I loved that child. Then there were twins and I loved them now there are two more and I love them. There is no lessening of the love for the first beause of the fifth Therefore the only limit to my love is my attitude; all are one. > > No doubt the answer will present it self to me in time. > Answer is here now. > Will you present yourself to it? there are more answers than questions at the moment David but I apreciate the sincerity of your simplistic aproach. > David > ------ > How many communities do you think join ONElist each week? > > More than 5,000! Create yours now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 1999 Report Share Posted June 8, 1999 Chris Hughes wrote: > Very true David but its as well some followed Jesus. > Is not devotion to God an escape from the illusion of this world (Maya) Even devotion to god is part of the illusion. But, yes, true devotion has at it's heart the purpose to transcend illusion. Illusion becomes transformed into the illusion of healing. > I have seen various clairvoyants who have all said the same thing "I > have many children,(young souls) though not of my seed, who need my > love. In essence, the world and everyone of it, is your (our) children. Thank you for understanding the deeper level of what I had said. : ) > If they are to believed it would appear that I am a light > worker awaiting the wake up call in order to help people through > these difficult times. I did not look for this resposibility but life > seems to be evolving in this way. Aren't we all light workers in this dream together, helping one another to the best of our understanding? > Yogananda prayed thus. (Think it was him) > God help me to love you as much as you love me > Lord help me to love others as much as you love me. I like that prayer. Very wise indeed. > I have experienced once the feeling of bliss when all were one to me > and I loved all others equally. > If I am not to be living with my children that does not mean that I > do not love them. Of course. > > Answer is here now. > > Will you present yourself to it? > > there are more answers than questions at the moment David but I > apreciate the sincerity of your simplistic aproach. I'm glad. Complexity needs to be balanced with simplicity. Take Care, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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