Endpoint / jb

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On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:52:57 jb wrote:

>There isn't any satisfactory answer I know off. But from the perspective

>"what has a start, must have an end" it makes sense that K. awakening has

>its opposite. It would leave one absolutely free, without an active reminder

>there ever was a spiritual path or something like K. A different question

>would be why this is the exception instead of the >rule...

 

I won*t make you try to answer that question.

 

Thanks for sharing your views.

>These are only endpoints from the perspective of transformation. How one

>will act/react to the transformations is a different >matter.

 

I can readily understand that.

 

The transformation doesn*t feel like one at times,

yet it is most definitely there.

 

The last week I have had nightmares for the first time

in my life and they always entail other ppl and the

relationsip to them, not childhood boogymen.

 

The strange thing is that I do not recognize the dreams

as such, although being awake as in lucid dreams,

able to act on volition and assess things, as I

do in waking state.

I very often confuse the content of the dreams with

events in the waking state. At first it was quite

strange to experience this, but now I appreciate it

in the way it highlights my reactions and relationships

in dreams. The Kundalini is busy !

I strongly suspect the

intended message from Kundalini is that both the

waking and the dreaming state are similar.

It is a powerful and convincing argument indeed.

>As long as one thinks one is the doer, one will reap the consequences.

 

I need some more time to even start realize who the

doer is.

>Ramana Maharshi tried to hide in caves but devotees traced him nevertheless

>

 

>He gave in as there wasn't a choice. With the huge amount of teachers and

>gurus, the "civilized" world has many givers of bliss already.

 

With the little experience I have with yoga and meditation, I absoultely can*t

imagine myself as

a teacher of any sort.

>If you want

>to do something effective, get a job in rural Africa and start teaching

>meditation in spare time; it is a lost continent in many respects. Buddhism

>would be a good choice because of its connection with >suffering.

 

I did think K was starting to pull me towards some

kind of relief work, but it doesn*t seem to be the

case anymore.

 

OK. Thanks for the response. I*ll let myself be guided

by K a little more.

 

Best regards,

 

Amanda.

 

 

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> "Amanda Erhart" <mumblecat

[...]

> The last week I have had nightmares for the first time

> in my life and they always entail other ppl and the

> relationsip to them, not childhood boogymen.

>

> The strange thing is that I do not recognize the dreams

> as such, although being awake as in lucid dreams,

> able to act on volition and assess things, as I

> do in waking state.

> I very often confuse the content of the dreams with

> events in the waking state. At first it was quite

> strange to experience this, but now I appreciate it

> in the way it highlights my reactions and relationships

> in dreams. The Kundalini is busy !

> I strongly suspect the

> intended message from Kundalini is that both the

> waking and the dreaming state are similar.

> It is a powerful and convincing argument indeed.

[...]

It is very rare to have a dream (lucid or normal) with a content that

doesn't stem from daytime experience and this goes for the objects perceived

in dreams as well. There has been some scientific research into observation

from patients who experienced a kind of being awake despite being under

narcosis. A panel was hidden above a door and it could only be seen and

read, if the power of perception would move above the operating table. None

of the patients who became lucid under narcosis mentioned seeing the panel.

The difference between waking and dreaming is the amount and quality of

resources like intuition and analysis.