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In a message dated 6/9/99 11:16:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

fewtch writes:

> It should be noted that "arrogance" is a quality of the "me" (ego) only,

> and should disappear upon realization.

 

Maybe... maybe not. Realization of who? You or me?

>Despite the admitted tendency of

> the jnani to sometimes speak in an arrogant manner (which I freely admit

> as being true), arrogance should not affect those who do not tend to

> REACT rather than QUESTION.

 

Agreed. I would add though, that *arrogance (*whoever interprets it as

arrogance in the ego-sense as you did... including the self-proclaimed

arrogant speaker) is the one *reacting*.

 

Tim, you do not need the defense of the jnani to be who you are.

>Those who respond to arrogance with a severe

> emotional reaction need to assess what kind of authority figures they had

> in their past that made them overly sensitive to those who speak from the

> gut.

 

Bringing the past to the present?

If reacting, the past is already tHere.

Allow the past that is here

to be surrendered to the present.

 

With the *present* understanding

nothing really matters

and arrogance is no more

(even for the arrogant).

 

Love,xxxtg

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HEY!! LeTeeGee.. giggling.. so your name upgraded to french..

HUGs.. nice to see you around again..

Love,

flute

 

LeTeegee wrote:

>

> LeTeegee

>

> In a message dated 6/9/99 11:16:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> fewtch writes:

>

> > It should be noted that "arrogance" is a quality of the "me" (ego)

only,

> > and should disappear upon realization.

>

> Maybe... maybe not. Realization of who? You or me?

>

> >Despite the admitted tendency of

> > the jnani to sometimes speak in an arrogant manner (which I freely admit

> > as being true), arrogance should not affect those who do not tend to

> > REACT rather than QUESTION.

>

> Agreed. I would add though, that *arrogance (*whoever interprets it as

> arrogance in the ego-sense as you did... including the self-proclaimed

> arrogant speaker) is the one *reacting*.

>

> Tim, you do not need the defense of the jnani to be who you are.

>

> >Those who respond to arrogance with a severe

> > emotional reaction need to assess what kind of authority figures they had

> > in their past that made them overly sensitive to those who speak from the

> > gut.

>

> Bringing the past to the present?

> If reacting, the past is already tHere.

> Allow the past that is here

> to be surrendered to the present.

>

> With the *present* understanding

> nothing really matters

> and arrogance is no more

> (even for the arrogant).

>

> Love,xxxtg

>

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>

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Greg Goode wrote:n

....... As far as bhakti and jnana not going together,

> there are several outstanding counterexamples to this. More could be

> added if we talked about more examples:

>

> -Shankara, who wrote devotional poetry

> -Ramana, supremely devoted to the mountain Arunachala

> -Nisargadatta, who performed puja twice a day to (I'm not sure to

> whom/what)

> -Ramakrishna, who is usually considered a tantric Kali worshipper but

> who evinced great Knowledge

>

> I'd say that these two paths converge more and more, till at last they

> meet. After all, the bhakta says there's nothing but Love or that

> particular devotional object (at the lower levels they might say

> there's also "me loving It"); the jnana practitioner says there's

> nothing but That. How can they not agree? The Sat-Chit-Ananda

> non-qualifying attributes of Brahman serve to remind practitioners of

> the equivalence among the Being/Consciousness/Love aspects.

 

Yes. Nisargadatta used to put it this way: 'When I see that I am

Nothing, that is wisdom; when I see that I am Everything, that is Love.'

 

Can it be said any better than that?

Jelke.

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