Guest guest Posted June 10, 1999 Report Share Posted June 10, 1999 On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:48:21 jb wrote: >It is very rare to have a dream (lucid or normal) with a content that >doesn't stem from daytime experience and this goes for the objects perceived >in dreams as well. There has been some scientific research into observation >from patients who experienced a kind of being awake despite being under >narcosis. A panel was hidden above a door and it could only be seen and >read, if the power of perception would move above the operating table. None >of the patients who became lucid under narcosis mentioned seeing the panel. >The difference between waking and dreaming is the amount and quality of >resources like intuition and analysis. Yes, good point. That is certainly how it feels. Thanks for sharing the research report. I*ve always remained sceptical to reports of OBE*s as I suspect they are only lucid "dream states" projecting visual content of familiar surroundings with a very high degree of fidelity onto the dreaming consciousness. Best regards, Amanda. Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 1999 Report Share Posted June 10, 1999 > "Amanda Erhart" <mumblecat [...] > I*ve always remained sceptical to reports of OBE*s > as I suspect they are only lucid "dream states" > projecting visual content of familiar surroundings with a very > high degree of fidelity onto the dreaming > consciousness. > > Best regards, > > Amanda. Actually, to remain analytical and to use logic combined with intuition is what keeps one sane despite the many visions, sensations and flashing insights that come as "side-effects" of K. It is quite possible to separate the power of perception from the body but one is at a razor's edge between waking up and falling into dreamless sleep. The problem in that state is the impossibility to use any mental tool, there is only the power of perception that seemingly can go anywhere, yet has preferences and this is why I lost interest in phenomena like this long ago. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 1999 Report Share Posted June 10, 1999 At 03:35 AM 6/10/99 -0700, Amanda Erhart wrote: >I*ve always remained sceptical to reports of OBE*s >as I suspect they are only lucid "dream states" >projecting visual content of familiar surroundings with a very high degree of fidelity onto the dreaming consciousness. Douglass Harding once wrote that ALL our experiences are OBE's. Just look at your hand. Are you looking from the inside out or the outside in? If the latter, then it's an OBE! --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 1999 Report Share Posted June 10, 1999 Hi Amanda, >I*ve always remained sceptical to reports of OBE*s >as I suspect they are only lucid "dream states" >projecting visual content of familiar surroundings >with a very high degree of fidelity onto the dreaming >consciousness. I don't have a lot of experience with going OBE... usually when I connect with another person(s), I just identify ("He/she and I are one") and we are in the same space... space is an illusion, after all. But one day Mystress Angelique Serpent invited me to sit in on a session with a client at her home in Vancouver, B.C., Canada. So I laid my body down here in San Antonio, Texas, and went. She wrote later that she was asking some questions of the client's high self or "heart voice," and he said there was another person in the room... a woman named Dharma. I have to say that my perception of what was going on in the room was not very clear at all... I think a person could learn to do that better with practice. I realized that usually, when I connect long-distance with someone, I'm not trying to perceive what's going on in the outer world... the gross physical... I'm interested in the inner world, the inner planes. Ingo Swann, the well-known psychic, has given a great deal of time to being the subject of experiments in the laboratory, and many of them involved remote viewing. Scientists in the lab say Swann just sits in his chair, smoking his cigars, and appears perfectly normal. He says he's there in the lab and _also_ travelling to the target area to see what's there. One series of experiments involved a closed box suspended above his head. In each experiment a different object was in the box, along with a lighted candle. One day Swann told the scientists that he couldn't see anything... that there was no light in the box. When they opened it, they found the candle had fallen over and gone out. Many experiments involved viewing scenes at considerable distances... the target area could be anywhere in the world. As I recall, in each case the experimenters listed maybe 7 target areas... and they always knew of someone who could go to each target area and take a photo immediately after the experiment. At the time of the experiment the target area was chosen from the list by a computer... at random... and Swann went there and described what he saw... sometimes drew pictures (he was an artist by profession). His success rate was extremely high, and in some of the published material from the reports, you can compare for yourself his drawings with the photos of the target areas. Looking on the web for the researchers Swann worked with, I found they were Russell Targ and Hal Puthoff in the SRI (Stanford Research Institute) remote viewing project. And I found more than that! A search for "Ingo Swann" and "remote viewing" will give you lots of very interesting material. And here's what appears to be Swann's home page: http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/Superpowers.html Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 1999 Report Share Posted June 10, 1999 > Greg Goode <goode > > At 03:35 AM 6/10/99 -0700, Amanda Erhart wrote: > > >I*ve always remained sceptical to reports of OBE*s > >as I suspect they are only lucid "dream states" > >projecting visual content of familiar surroundings with a very > high degree > of fidelity onto the dreaming consciousness. > > Douglass Harding once wrote that ALL our experiences are OBE's. Just look > at your hand. Are you looking from the inside out or the outside in? If > the latter, then it's an OBE! > > --Greg In that case, the perspective that no experience whatsoever is an OBE is just as valid. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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