Endpoint / jb

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Dear jb,

 

On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:21:00 jb wrote:

>It is quite possible to make good use of the side effects of K. For

>instance, the sensation of pressure or burning at the third eye is a simple

>aid to practice one-pointedness.

 

This is very interesting. I didn't realize seemingly

adverse K effects could be used as a tool for probing

deeper. I always viewed them as something to "find out

of and let go of". Thanks for providing an

experienced and to me new perspective on things.

 

Reading about poor Gopi Krishna is only as someone

else said only an extreme data point in a wide range

of personal experiences. Therefore it is good to

hear from other ppl who have gone through the process

under more favorable circumstances.

 

Re. the dimininshed needs for energy you mentioned in

another post: I found this puzzling indeed, that there

was only an initial weigh loss despite the low food

intake. Amazing. I do not profess to know what is

going on, only agree with your statement that the

knowledge of the physiological process of K activation

is too little known.

 

Still, I doubt many other could do the same thing.

Same goes with the 120h pranayama regimen you

mentioned some time ago.

 

Do you with one pointedness mean a meditative

concentration on one aspect of the self or the

world only ?

>Likewise, if it is possible to see a

>relationship between movement of prana and light-intensity of a vision, it

>is an aid to the practice of pranayama.

 

Another new exercise to think of. Yes, there are

often pulsating lights seemingly related to

electric discharges in the brain and prana/K

moving about.

 

And there is also spontanous breath control by K.

Sometimes breath retention, sometimes deep inhalation

or exhalation. It is all wondrous but good.

>True, K. brings out the "hidden side". The perspective that one has to find

>the perspective where the side effects of K. become effective tools for yoga

>practice has been very rewarding. Sometimes this did lead to temporary

>habits like the practice of pranayama during walking.

 

That is also amazing. Very creative and adaptable.

 

Yes, K rises during walking, that's for sure.

 

These things are good to witness.

 

Do you still do pranayama even after the K activation ?

 

Best regards,

 

Amanda.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> "Amanda Erhart" <mumblecat

[...]

> Re. the dimininshed needs for energy you mentioned in

> another post: I found this puzzling indeed, that there

> was only an initial weigh loss despite the low food

> intake. Amazing. I do not profess to know what is

> going on, only agree with your statement that the

> knowledge of the physiological process of K activation

> is too little known.

 

There have been other changes as well, like being able to decrease heartbeat

at will and the ability to get muscles out of cramp (hiking in an arid

region has the risk of dehydration). Regarding food, for some sixteen years

I ate a mixture of grinded flaxseed with veggies and the acid in the stomach

should (must?) have reacted with the flaxseed to form HCN (hydrocyanic acid)

While trying the effect of a plant that covered part of the South of

Tenerife after a few floods from the skies, an acquaintance remarked that

even the goats wouldn't touch that plant so according to him it had to be

poisonous, whereas to me it seemed a mild laxative Living as a hermit,

one can't be aware of deviating from the "norm" unless someone notices it

and makes a remark.

> Still, I doubt many other could do the same thing.

> Same goes with the 120h pranayama regimen you

> mentioned some time ago.

 

No, although it sounds extreme, it wasn't. The physical "improvements" by K.

can be explained from an evolutionary perspective as well. It has become

rather obvious that man, in search for happiness, is quite capable of

destroying the planet. The existence of a kind of happiness, having the

equal effect as fulfilling all desires simultaneously, is the only "built-in

by nature" guarantee to prevent this destruction. I am sure that the

requirements for active K., self-consciousness and the ability to transform

instinctual energy, can be found in other species too.

> Do you with one pointedness mean a meditative

> concentration on one aspect of the self or the

> world only ?

 

Onepointedness is concentration on one thing or aspect only. On the third

eye, it means by feeling a burning point, no other feeling should be felt.

When thinking, it means no unrelated thoughts will creep in. When practicing

trataka, only the object should be seen. Onepointedness is a great tool in

arts, engineering and science. A onepointed mind, carried by the wings of

intuition, has no limits.

 

[...]

> And there is also spontanous breath control by K.

> Sometimes breath retention, sometimes deep inhalation

> or exhalation. It is all wondrous but good.

 

In a different society, K. would be the norm and start at an early age. It

comes natural but "the other way of life" (not centered at spirituality) is

what causes most of the problems. The "runners high" is an effective reward

to continue exercise; biology of bodies works with these kinds of stimulants

and K. doesn't make an exception.

> >True, K. brings out the "hidden side". The perspective that one

> has to find

> >the perspective where the side effects of K. become effective

> tools for yoga

> >practice has been very rewarding. Sometimes this did lead to temporary

> >habits like the practice of pranayama during walking.

>

> That is also amazing. Very creative and adaptable.

 

One of the most remarkable changes was the ability of association, like

seeing cause and effect operate not as a line but as a network. On the K.

list there has been a thread on the forming of new synapses as a result of

K.; it is likely. Again, from an evolutionary point of view, investing extra

"mind-power" without a guarantee against abuse would be unlikely. To me,

there wasn't a choice but to use the "extra" for sadhana itself; it has been

rather rewarding.

> Yes, K rises during walking, that's for sure.

>

> These things are good to witness.

>

> Do you still do pranayama even after the K activation ?

 

It has been practiced during walking for about a year, some thirty years

ago. After that, all practice could be abandoned but it had become a habit.

Having moved to a mountainous region, it was rather impractical as the need

for oxygen depends on up- or downhill, so the habit was abandoned. The 120

hours was the right "extra" to burn some "nasty" karma of the present life.

After that, even a million hours of pranayama wouldn't have done anything.

> Best regards,

>

> Amanda.