HRTZEN: Creating Realities (from columbus, ga. thread)

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Hi Joan,

Nice sharing bringing up a lot. What we think and hold as true is what we

create however, in learning of how the personality/lower self works, then you

begin

to transcend karma or as you put fate. As long as one is lost in the involvement

as

the doer, and is just in action/reaction, it is like a machine that does nothing

but produce thoughts, desires, fantasies, fears, etc. This is a long process of

self creation so that karma is naturally just waving in and out. When the

individual begins to recognize and can actually see how he/she has created a

situation, the light comes on and the beginning of the end of this stage has

started. It is a stage of the process really. Not good or bad but just a natural

evolving stage.

 

Then the individual comes to recognize a higher power, a creator, God, that

higher

knowing of the Self begins to move. One looks out side at this for a time and

then

slowly the realization comes about that it isn't outside at all but rather

inside

and actually has a interior room as it were inside in the heart. This heart is

where you directly experience will...my will...and thy will... and then all of

the

process of how this works starts to unfold. And what it all means. This is again

another process.

 

At some point realization is going to take hold, one is going to understand the

basics and also understand that there is creation brought on my those lower

centers, thoughts and desires, and then there is the realization that one has

the

ability to be reborn. This rebirth opens the way to self realization. We find

that

lower identity and self letting go...not always easily, but it goes through the

training and the tearing away. This letting go is preparation for the alignment

and

release of the awakening. During this process kundulini can be activiated and in

our time I would say will be. The mysteries that were once hidden are right out

front now, so, it is easy to open up and surrender to the process and alway

turn

to be that aspect of the beloved to lift one into the higher will. This is

happening in the east as well as the west. The west has the teaching as does the

east. This aspect of will is very important and interesting enough the Catholic

church is very well versed in it but doesn't give it out to the people because

they

think it is to advanced. I remember the first time I spoke to a priest about

this

when I was in my early twenties, I literally blew him away. For me... will has

always been the key to awakening, and it isn't all that difficult to work with

when

the individual opens up and understands the process. He asked me if I could

become

a nun and enter the monastery I said no, I have children and a husband. And I

also

said I knew I would be fine. The fact that I was seeing spirits daily and having

experiences that were just not to be had by a lay person really frightened him.

Years later I saw this same priest, I was sitting in a car across the street

from

the rectory he had moved to, I had not thought about him for years. Anyway, he

came

across the street asked me to roll down my window and then said, please, will

you

come in and have coffee, I really need to talk to you. I said sure. He told me

that

I appeared to him often in his sleep and I would stand next to his bed. And then

disappear. I had one flighting memory of this, I felt I was talking to him

telling

me that it was ok and that people would come into this naturally but that they

should be open to help them when they came to them. He was almost in tears. We

talked for like an hour and then I left. A couple of weeks later he went back to

his home in Ireland and passed away. I knew him from a past life, he knew it as

did

I. Anyway, that story kind of came together with this sharing, I don't know why,

but anyway now you know about my dear friend. Love as always. Gloria

 

josullivan wrote:

> Hi List,

>

> Catching the last wave of this thread. I'm popping in to spout a

> bit...questions/contemplations,etc.

>

> Bill...Tornados, so fascinating when I was a child (and still now), and your

> story recaptured all of that awesome, terrifyingness of nature. I enjoyed

> listening to it.

>

> Bill and Gloria and others - I have often thought about this

> creating/co-creating reality thing. Jane Roberts as Seth: "You create your

own

> reality", but I somehow can't seem to buy that 100%.

>

> It's interesting how Fate and Destiny and Love and the power of the Mind's

> creation is depicted in the movie the Matrix.

>

> Where did I read recently that Love can overcome Fate? It was the last line

of

> a poem I'd read and I wanted to save it and share it with the list. What are

> the powers of the Fates? Are there many probable realities? Certainly there

> are many parallel universes? How do parallel universes intersect with the

> realities we are all creating?

>

> Tlakaelel, the Mexican medicine man said we are moving towards creating into

> physical reality whatever we can imagine. and Are we ready to move faster than

> the speed of Light? Isn't that the genius of the dream state?

>

> Yet the poets say, a butterfly flutters its wings in Kyoto and the rest of the

> world feels it. So something about this creating realities must be tied into

> our interconnectedness. To me there's still a lot of mystery here....much

room

> for contemplation/reflection/observation.

>

> Isn't the current paradigm that reality is created along a wave of patterned

> chaos? Katya Walter has a book on it....and it's related to the I Ching.

>

> If we do draw to us what's in our negative mini-mind, then I guess we gotta

all

> wake up and really keep on doing the work to keep clear that thought thing.

>

> I recall Robert Anton Wilson's proposed exercises in Promotheus Rising. 1.

> There is a quarter waiting for you. Now go and find it. 2. There is no

> quarter waiting for you. Instead create a quarter, then go and pick it up.

> But he was, I think, trying to get people to start observing these things...to

> break out of tunnel vision, brainwashed mind. Observing how the mind is and

how

> the universe responds. I think one would find different results...much

> different if real feeling was infused into each of these exercises.

>

> So maybe it's more a energy response ~ energy response kind of thing between

all

> relations of the universe. Like at the Peace Camp I was at recently. In the

> women's sweat lodge, the sweat lodge leader said that the singing would create

> such a vortex of energy that the clouds above would part, forming a circle and

> an opening up to the night sky. This is exactly what happened as the clouds

> "responded" to the women's singing. Also the sweat was just beside a pond....

> People outside the sweat reported that when there was a break in the women's

> singing, the frogs would start croaking, then the women would sing, then stop,

> then the frogs would croak. People that witnessed this were really quite awed

> and amazed. The SPIRITED love FEElNG exchanged between women and frogs, women

> and clouds.

>

> Just all over the map on this one....but if anyone cares to comment.

> Thanks! and Much Much Love and Appreciation!

>

> Joanie

>

> lodpress <lodpress on 06/15/99 09:07:53 PM

>

> Please respond to heartzen

>

> heartzen

> cc: (bcc: Joan Sullivan/DIC/US/LHS)

> Re: HRTZEN: columbus, ga.

>

> Gloria:

> It is true that you can draw to yourself those things that you dwell on either

> positive or negative, where your attention goes, there goes the energy as

well.

> I have known women who were so paranoid that their husbands would cheat on

> them, I say...be careful, you can think about it so much that you actually

draw

> it to you. And the truth is, as the positive thinking thought goes...anything

> that you believe, you can achieve.

>

> Bill Pendergrass wrote:

>

> > Wonderful Letter Marsha,

> >

> > Yes forgiveness work has a way of attracting the ones you really want..and

> > fear work ( getting afraid of people or things) can attract those into your

> > life also. So Jesus idea to forgive everyone has a very practical advantage

> > in my life. And I'm sure that other religions have the same philosophy and

> > understanding in the wiser participants. I've gotten to the point where I

> > NEVER want to hold a fear or envy thougth past bedtime anyway..and my life

> > has really changed since that time. And the few times I did not do it...it

> > had negative consequences. I marvel now at people who can hold hatreds and

> > fears for months and years without any consequences...I am no longer in that

> > place...the consequences are rapid.

> >

> > I mention one item..Ever since I was a small child I remember dreams of

> > being swept into a black tornado like funnel..that's before I knew about

> > tornadoes ( comming from Oregon)...but after having two near misses in

> > Kansas and Texas ..I got a real awe thing about them...and it gradually

> > changed to just a fascination..but I was driving in my home state of

> > Washington..which has almost NO tornadoes about 10 years ago and one past

> > RIGHT OVER MY CAR so I could look up inside. It did not touch down ..but

> > went up into the mountains and broke up.. Still I kind of think my fear and

> > fascination with those funnels drew that one in a 100 million chance right

> > directly to me. Now if I can just invert that and get the same fearful

> > fascination about winning the lottery!

> >

> > Big Hugs...

> >

> > Bill

> >

> > >Marsha & Stephen <kandul

> > >heartzen

> > >heartzen

> > >Re: HRTZEN: columbus, ga.

> > >Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:52:30 -0400

> > >

> > >Gloria, Anita, Bill and list,

> > >

> > >Thanks for all the responses.

> > >

> > >Yes, you've reminded me once again (as have others) how important

> > >attitude...and coming from the Christ Consciousness within) are. Thank

> > >you.

> > >At the moment I seem to be struggling with negative ego;sharpening and

> > >practicing my skills at having preferences, but not attachments. As the

> > >light within me builds, more and more people, places and things seem to

> > >appear to do me the honor of testing me that I may more strongly come from

> > >the Divinity within (though I do not yet always see it that way).

> > >

> > >I gave the move to Columbus to God to handle after stating my preferences.

> > >Then spent three days with my husband touring the area-the SW portion of

> > >Ga.. Small towns in Ga. have always engendered fear in me for reasons I

> > >could never name until several past lives come up involving torture and

> > >death at the hands of those who feared me as I was different. I had to do

> > >some forgiveness work, then made a point to interact with as many people as

> > >I could speaking from my Spark within to theirs. I SAW them. This was

> > >accompanied with a release from within me. At this point my perspective

> > >shifted and I knew that I could continue to live here in the SE of Ga.

> > >without fear, whether I moved to Columbus or not.

> > >

> > >Today I know that I do not have to move there! But will have to continue to

> > >live on the Ga. coastal area. I finally accepted this, though it is not my

> > >preference. Inroads on the negative ego have been made and a lesson

> > >learned.

> > >I am in gratitude, and if an opportunity to move out of the SE comes along

> > >I will, once again throw it to God, for

> > >god knows my preferences, but also has the 'big picture' that I do not.

> > >

> > >Many Blessings to the Wonderful Beings on this list,

> > >Marsha

> > >-

> > ><AES3DDD

> > ><heartzen

> > >Thursday, June 10, 1999 3:59 PM

> > >Re: HRTZEN: columbus, ga.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Marsha:

> > > > Methinks I have to say something about the subject at hand. Though I was

> > >born

> > > > in Austria in 1941, and lived there til I was 13, I moved so many times

> > >after

> > > > that that I lost count. And the reason we moved so much was that my

> > > > stepfather was in the military and we lived in New Hampshire, New

> > >Mexico,

> > > > Oklahoma, Germany, California, etc. At first I was in a bit of a culture

> > > > shock - but years later I realized that a place was what you made it. As

> > >a

> > > > minister once related: A man came into town and wanted to know what it

> > >was

> > > > like and he was asked how the people where where he left, and he said

> > >that

> > > > they were inconsiderate and rude. Well, he was told, they are the same

> > >here.

> > > > Than a woman came to the same person and asked how the people in this

> > >town

> > > > were and he asked her the same question and she said she found them to

> > >be

> > > > friendly and courteous and she was told that she would find the same

> > >kind

> > >of

> > > > people in this town. I reckon you get the idea. I first hated it here in

> > > > Nevada because I had just left first Hawaii and then Austria and I

> > >thought

> > >I

> > > > would just die in this ugly desert. Boy, has it changed over the years.

> > >I

> > > > guess our attitude regarding a particular area determines the character

> > >of

> > > > the area - its people. The same has even held true when I've traveled

> > >with

> > > > 'the group'. Others may have had problems in Jamaica, but our

> > >friendliness

> > > > made all the difference with us. Welcome to the list, keep the faith and

> > >keep

> > > > smiling, love, Anita.

> > >

> >

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