Guest guest Posted June 25, 1999 Report Share Posted June 25, 1999 At 11:06 PM 6/25/99 +0100, jb wrote: >"jb" <kvy9 > >> "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar >> >> > >> > Ramesh: >> > Does Ramana Maharshi have a basic? Yes indeed-the >> > question "Who am >> > I?" And when he says this, the "I" is in the Tamil language. >> > What he means >> > in English is not "Who am I?" but "Who is this me?" In other >> > words, is there >> > a "me" at all? This is my interpretation. [ ... analysis by Harsha omitted ... ] >Jan: Thank you Harsha. This is more concise than in several books on Ramana >and the matter with "me" I never saw properly explained in those books. >Apparently, the absence of a "me" is a hard nut to crack for Westerners >indeed. The above reminds of translations from Vedic texts by Max Müller >where the Christian perspective caused errors. Jan and Harsha, Speaking of "Who am I," there's a funny story told by a teacher who spent lots of time with Papaji (Poonjaji). It's related to a spiritual condition suffered by some seekers called "The Lucknow Disease," named after the city in which Papaji taught. In Papaji's teachings for this group of seekers in the early 90's, it was a big part of their inquiry to ask "Who Am I" at all possible junctures. According to this teacher, who was in the middle of it all and saw/heard lots of funny stuff, here's how it happened: Any time someone would even casually say, "I'm hungry," or "I have to go to the loo," another earnest seeker would ask like the spiritual police, "Who's hungry?" "Who has to go to the loo?" So there developed a way of speaking that would avoid using the pronoun "I," which would supposedly indicate the gradual effacement of the ego or "I-thought." It got to the point that people would say stuff like "This form is tired," or "There is hunger arising." This avoidance of the "I" word, in order to display one's understanding, is the Lucknow Disease. One time there were these two seekers hanging around Papaji's house, they were friends, I'll call them Bill and Prem. Bill was newer to the non-dual perspective than Prem, who was quite a devotee, already had his spiritual name. One day they were waiting for the satsang, which would start a bit later. Bill offered the Prem a drink, "Would you like coffee or tea?" Prem, who was pretty deep into the Teaching, replied, "There's no one here to choose." Later, when the satsang was about to start, Prem was sitting in another room. Bill went in to warn Prem that another person had occupied his cushion, which had been parked waiting right up in front by Papaji's chair. Prem, before he caught himself, blurted out, "That no good #%@@ so-and-so, I'll get the @#$% #*@!$$ !!!" Regards! --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 1999 Report Share Posted June 27, 1999 Dear Greg: What a wonderful story! How free one can be until something rolls into life that brings with it an attachment or desire to the 'me' that, of course, didn't exist . We here on this planet are very funny beings especially when we can laugh at the antics. Thanks for the laugh. Linda >One time there were these two seekers hanging around Papaji's house, they were friends, I'll call them Bill and Prem. Bill was newer to the non-dual perspective than Prem, who was quite a devotee, already had his spiritual name. One day they were waiting for the satsang, which would start a bit later. Bill offered the Prem a drink, "Would you like coffee or tea?" Prem, who was pretty deep into the Teaching, replied, "There's no one here to choose." Later, when the satsang was about to start, Prem was sitting in another room. Bill went in to warn Prem that another person had occupied his cushion, which had been parked waiting right up in front by Papaji's chair. Prem, before he caught himself, blurted out, "That no good #%@@ so-and-so, I'll get the @#$% #*@!$$ !!!"> Regards! --Greg --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Attention ONElist list owners. We've just added a "NO ATTACHMENTS" option. See homepage for details. ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 1999 Report Share Posted June 27, 1999 Tim Harris wrote: > Reminds me of a little puzzle I blurted out one time in a fit of desperation. > > Pertaining to the the question Who am I? I demonstrated clearly that indeed, > there was no letter I (ego or self) in the name of of Jesus. However, being the > 'other' that presents itself, 'if' there where a letter I in the name ... where > would it be situated? > > Anyone want a crack at that one.... > > Gentle Peace. > > Tim Harris Hello Tim, Between the "r" and the "s" in ChrIst? Sorry, I could not resist that one Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 1999 Report Share Posted June 27, 1999 Hahaha... a great story... Reminds me of a little puzzle I blurted out one time in a fit of desperation. Pertaining to the the question Who am I? I demonstrated clearly that indeed, there was no letter I (ego or self) in the name of of Jesus. However, being the 'other' that presents itself, 'if' there where a letter I in the name ... where would it be situated? Anyone want a crack at that one.... Gentle Peace. Tim Harris Greg Goode wrote: > Greg Goode <goode > > At 11:06 PM 6/25/99 +0100, jb wrote: > >"jb" <kvy9 > > > >> "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar > >> > >> > > >> > Ramesh: > >> > Does Ramana Maharshi have a basic? Yes indeed-the > >> > question "Who am > >> > I?" And when he says this, the "I" is in the Tamil language. > >> > What he means > >> > in English is not "Who am I?" but "Who is this me?" In other > >> > words, is there > >> > a "me" at all? This is my interpretation. > > [ ... analysis by Harsha omitted ... ] > > >Jan: Thank you Harsha. This is more concise than in several books on Ramana > >and the matter with "me" I never saw properly explained in those books. > >Apparently, the absence of a "me" is a hard nut to crack for Westerners > >indeed. The above reminds of translations from Vedic texts by Max Müller > >where the Christian perspective caused errors. > > Jan and Harsha, > > Speaking of "Who am I," there's a funny story told by a teacher who spent > lots of time with Papaji (Poonjaji). It's related to a spiritual condition > suffered by some seekers called "The Lucknow Disease," named after the city > in which Papaji taught. > > In Papaji's teachings for this group of seekers in the early 90's, it was a > big part of their inquiry to ask "Who Am I" at all possible junctures. > According to this teacher, who was in the middle of it all and saw/heard > lots of funny stuff, here's how it happened: > > Any time someone would even casually say, "I'm hungry," or "I have to go to > the loo," another earnest seeker would ask like the spiritual police, > "Who's hungry?" "Who has to go to the loo?" So there developed a way of > speaking that would avoid using the pronoun "I," which would supposedly > indicate the gradual effacement of the ego or "I-thought." It got to the > point that people would say stuff like "This form is tired," or "There is > hunger arising." This avoidance of the "I" word, in order to display one's > understanding, is the Lucknow Disease. > > One time there were these two seekers hanging around Papaji's house, they > were friends, I'll call them Bill and Prem. Bill was newer to the non-dual > perspective than Prem, who was quite a devotee, already had his spiritual > name. One day they were waiting for the satsang, which would start a bit > later. Bill offered the Prem a drink, "Would you like coffee or tea?" > Prem, who was pretty deep into the Teaching, replied, "There's no one here > to choose." Later, when the satsang was about to start, Prem was sitting > in another room. Bill went in to warn Prem that another person had > occupied his cushion, which had been parked waiting right up in front by > Papaji's chair. Prem, before he caught himself, blurted out, "That no > good #%@@ so-and-so, I'll get the @#$% #*@!$$ !!!" > > Regards! > > --Greg > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Attention ONElist list owners. > > We've just added a "NO ATTACHMENTS" option. See homepage for details. > > ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 1999 Report Share Posted June 27, 1999 Hahahaha... down in the front! Jesus. Jesuis Je suis. I am. ) Gentle Peace. Tim Harris Antoine wrote: > Antoine <carrea > > Tim Harris wrote: > > > Reminds me of a little puzzle I blurted out one time in a fit of desperation. > > > > Pertaining to the the question Who am I? I demonstrated clearly that indeed, > > there was no letter I (ego or self) in the name of of Jesus. However, being the > > 'other' that presents itself, 'if' there where a letter I in the name ... where > > would it be situated? > > > > Anyone want a crack at that one.... > > > > Gentle Peace. > > > > Tim Harris > > Hello Tim, > > Between the "r" and the "s" in ChrIst? > > Sorry, I could not resist that one > > Antoine > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Attention ONElist list owners. > > We've just added a "NO ATTACHMENTS" option. See homepage for details. > > ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 1999 Report Share Posted June 27, 1999 Greg, That is a funny story indeed. When Ramana left for the homeless life, the story goes he left a note with a message somewhat like "this one has left to..." so apparently there is a need to refer to someone with the "I" missing. For this biological unit, time to recharge the battery... Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 1999 Report Share Posted June 27, 1999 There is 'just something about that name'. Christian Hymn. Gentle Peace. Tim Harris jb wrote: > "jb" <kvy9 > > Greg, > > That is a funny story indeed. When Ramana left for the homeless life, the > story goes he left a note with a message somewhat like "this one has left > to..." so apparently there is a need to refer to someone with the "I" > missing. > > For this biological unit, time to recharge the battery... > > Jan > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > How many communities do you think join ONElist each week? > > More than 5,000! Create yours now! > > ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 1999 Report Share Posted June 28, 1999 Greg Goode [goode] Friday, June 25, 1999 6:44 PM ; Satsang ; "Who Am I?" and the "Lucknow Disease" Speaking of "Who am I," there's a funny story told by a teacher who spent lots of time with Papaji (Poonjaji). It's related to a spiritual condition suffered by some seekers called "The Lucknow Disease," named after the city in which Papaji taught. In Papaji's teachings for this group of seekers in the early 90's, it was a big part of their inquiry to ask "Who Am I" at all possible junctures. According to this teacher, who was in the middle of it all and saw/heard lots of funny stuff, here's how it happened: Any time someone would even casually say, "I'm hungry," or "I have to go to the loo," another earnest seeker would ask like the spiritual police, "Who's hungry?" "Who has to go to the loo?" So there developed a way of speaking that would avoid using the pronoun "I," which would supposedly indicate the gradual effacement of the ego or "I-thought." It got to the point that people would say stuff like "This form is tired," or "There is hunger arising." This avoidance of the "I" word, in order to display one's understanding, is the Lucknow Disease. One time there were these two seekers hanging around Papaji's house, they were friends, I'll call them Bill and Prem. Bill was newer to the non-dual perspective than Prem, who was quite a devotee, already had his spiritual name. One day they were waiting for the satsang, which would start a bit later. Bill offered the Prem a drink, "Would you like coffee or tea?" Prem, who was pretty deep into the Teaching, replied, "There's no one here to choose." Later, when the satsang was about to start, Prem was sitting in another room. Bill went in to warn Prem that another person had occupied his cushion, which had been parked waiting right up in front by Papaji's chair. Prem, before he caught himself, blurted out, "That no good #%@@ so-and-so, I'll get the @#$% #*@!$$ !!!" Regards! --Greg Thanks for the humor Greg. The former presidential candidate Bob Dole often addressed himself in the third person in speeches. He probably got the advaita vedanta vote but it was not enough to get him into the office. Which is too bad. We need a leader who understands that there is no one home, and that indeed there is a missing "me" which can only be referenced conceptually but not actually caught. Of course we did not fare badly with our current President who is a scholar and a gentleman. President Clinton put his finger on the fundamental existential issue, when he sincerely told the grand jury, everything depends on what the definition of "is" is. :--). Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 1999 Report Share Posted June 28, 1999 At 09:50 AM 6/27/99 -0700, Tim Harris wrote: >Tim Harris <harris > >Hahaha... a great story... > >Reminds me of a little puzzle I blurted out one time in a fit of desperation. > >Pertaining to the the question Who am I? I demonstrated clearly that indeed, >there was no letter I (ego or self) in the name of of Jesus. However, being the >'other' that presents itself, 'if' there where a letter I in the name ... where >would it be situated? > >Anyone want a crack at that one.... In some languages or renderings of Christ's name, the I's and J's are interchangeable. So I have seen it several times as: IESUS Regards, --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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