Levels etc.

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Hello Dharma,

 

I'm posting this to Harsha list, because i like learning from a wide

variety of views.

 

Antoine:

 

<< So i will reformulate my proposition:

Is there a level of awareness where there is no sense of Karma? >>

 

<< Yes, certainly in the All... but that's not a level. Probably the

levels connected with what we experience as chakras above the head. As

for the levels of the 7 chakras, I'm not sure what to think. We do find

karmic stuff to be cleared even in the crown chakra area. But the

situation is complicated... maybe it will interest you anyway.

 

Crown chakra has 7 sub-centers or sub-levels... in fact, all of them do

in some sense. So maybe the karmic stuff is in the three lower

sub-levels of crown chakra.

 

Danijel used to teach (don't know what he teaches now... he changes

pretty fast) a vertical learing/cleansing of levels... and after that a

horizontal clearing of levels. For example, he said when you clear all

of root chakra (physical body), then all physical sub-levels are cleared

through every chakra. If you picture each chakra as a flat circular

plate in 7 colors, from the circle in the center to the circle around

the rim... and all of these stacked with sushumna running through

them... it easy to imagine the lowest one is cleared along with all the

red circles in the middle of the others. Just a way of looking at it...

 

So by the time you get to throat center, you've already got 4 circles or

sub-centers cleared in the _higher_ centers. That's why you can use

higher centers even before you're really established there.

 

Then after doing all that, I did horizontal clearing. Even harder to

picture. And when I had finished, he decided he'd been mistaken about

it... or about how to do it. But after I'd left him, another student

told me he was working on horizontal clearing... so he was still

teaching it in some way. >>

 

I do understand about the horizontal and vertical clearing. But i see a

pattern in this approach that brings Karma with one all the way along

it's path, even while sitting in the seventh highest sphere over ones

head. As Jelke says : "The 'truly' now turns out to be an imaginary

dividing line between the

past and the future. Are you with me?!"

 

Same goes, i would say, from my limited experience of the seventh

highest level over the head and the very first lowest chakra. Those

levels turn out to be imaginary dividing lines that carry with the

seeker the process of Karma. As high one seeks, he/she will carry karma

with him or her, for he/she seeks...

 

To take an image, in physics, they are kind of force fields that

interacts with some kind of particles. Each time a particle applies a

force to escape the field, the field only grows stronger and the

particle may not move or escape from it. It represents, for me in a way,

the proposition: "as long as one seeks toward something Karma will

follow its trail". A photon and the gravitational field in Einstein

theory of relativity is such a particle/field phenomena on the scale of

the universe in physics.

 

Seeking the now is a more wide open vortex than seeking a specific

direction in time and space. The effects of the field are more subtle,

but are yet present. It's still seeking...

 

Hmmmmmm... Makes me wonder if they are levels?

 

Antoine:

<< If so, how can ethic or a karma bearing proposition lead me towards

it? >>

 

Dharma:

<< I don't know, a "proposition" sounds like something of the mental

plane... 3rd chakra/level. Maybe a proposition could point the way, but

it couldn't lead you towards it... maybe that's too fine a

distinction... but you're talking about going above the mental

level... I think that means transcending propositions. >>

 

Yes and no, depends on my mood

 

<< If you like, I could take note of some words you misuse and send them

once in a while. But I don't want to unless you really want me to...

most people hate to be corrected on small stuff. And some of it is

probably spelling. English spelling is SO difficult... many native

speakers never learn to spell very well.

 

BTW, if you want to put these posts or any part of them back on the

list, it's okay with me. >>

 

Please do correct me when ever you see fit. I admire in children's how

they learn so fast, correcting for them is playing until they go to

school.

 

Antoine