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INSprofess writes:

 

<< I am thinking of my own freedom and how limited it is as a human being.

Can we really have any freedom at all? What are we really free to do? >>

 

We can have freedom when we discover what it is and where it already exists.

Thinking of it as the duality of freedom-limitation or freedom-bondage will

continue to go in the circles in which it has always gone. If you have the

aim of freedom to be your original Self, doing will follow naturally.

 

What you are in essence - not the body, mind or personality - is already free

and has never been anything but free. The rediscovery of that simplicity

feels miraculous in the context of our complex human existence.

 

For some people meditation or other practices seem to help. No one will know

for you what is best, and I suggest you try whatever you are attracted to in

a heartful way.

 

The most direct way is to accept the idea that your true self is not far away

in time or in space, but right here and now. Then you can ask, "Who am I?"

without any defining, verbal answer.

Your question may be, "From where do I arise?" or "From where does this

thought, this feeling arise?".

 

Your answer will be silent and subtle.

 

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Gloria:

The only true freedom comes from Divine Will so that in this we are absorbed

into the truth of the universe and free from the anchors of the Earth. This

is

the freedom to be cosmic travelers.

>>

---

Xan:

Yes. Free from the anchors of our minds,

the only anchors that exist.

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In a message dated 7/4/99 5:32:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jacpa writes:

 

<< Marcia Paul <jacpa

 

I know what you mean. I am probably just being nit picky.

But we are of the earth. "From dust thou art and to dust thou

shalt return."

>>

 

What is the dust and where does the dust come from and where does it go? Does

anyone here know what the hell they are talking about? Please raise your

hands. I mean really! Thanks.

 

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<< Personally I think that alot of talking about realized states

and realization is all in the head and not grounded in the

body. That is all I am getting at really.

 

Marcia

>>

---

Yes. An early stage seems to be

the idea of Self and infinity is

there and the real-ization of it

has yet to come. We humans,

especially westerners have

come to exalt the intellect.

Moreover, many of us moved

up to live in our heads to avoid

the pain in our bodies from not

being loved, heard and accepted.

Naturally, this phase of awakening

would begin here for many people.

 

As Glo said "It's all perfect."

My understanding of that is,

there is an evolution of con-

consciousness going on in

our world and the more we

accept this present moment

of that process the more

ease and joy there is in it.

 

Xan

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In a message dated 7/4/99 6:10:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Xanma

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<< As Glo said "It's all perfect."

My understanding of that is,

there is an evolution of con-

consciousness going on in

our world and the more we

accept this present moment

of that process the more

ease and joy there is in it.

 

Xan >>

 

 

How can those who are hungry and suffering accept the present moment?

 

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<< How can those who are hungry and suffering accept the present moment?

 

Nav

>>

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We're talking about us, relatively free from suffering, people;

those who have a life situation that allows for discovery of the truth of all

of us.

 

Preaching to starving people about anything would be ridiculous.

But look at this: What do you imagine will happen in our world

as more and more people give up their differences, power issues and

confllicts and remember themselves at the core as pure love?

 

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Gloria:

The only true freedom comes from Divine Will so that in this we are absorbed

into the truth of the universe and free from the anchors of the Earth. This is

the freedom to be cosmic travelers.

 

Xanma wrote:

> Xanma

>

> INSprofess writes:

>

> << I am thinking of my own freedom and how limited it is as a human being.

> Can we really have any freedom at all? What are we really free to do? >>

>

> We can have freedom when we discover what it is and where it already exists.

> Thinking of it as the duality of freedom-limitation or freedom-bondage will

> continue to go in the circles in which it has always gone. If you have the

> aim of freedom to be your original Self, doing will follow naturally.

>

> What you are in essence - not the body, mind or personality - is already free

> and has never been anything but free. The rediscovery of that simplicity

> feels miraculous in the context of our complex human existence.

>

> For some people meditation or other practices seem to help. No one will know

> for you what is best, and I suggest you try whatever you are attracted to in

> a heartful way.

>

> The most direct way is to accept the idea that your true self is not far away

> in time or in space, but right here and now. Then you can ask, "Who am I?"

> without any defining, verbal answer.

> Your question may be, "From where do I arise?" or "From where does this

> thought, this feeling arise?".

>

> Your answer will be silent and subtle.

>

> Xan

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In a message dated 7/4/99 6:42:15 PM Central Daylight Time,

david.bozzi writes:

 

<<

If we knew what we were talking about

would we talk about it?

 

David

 

>>

And my friend what is the answer to your question???

 

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Marcia:

 

I have a question here. Why do we have to be free of

being anchored to the earth? It seems to me that

the aim is to be

receptive to the Divine and grounded in the earth.

As above so below.

 

lodpress wrote:

> lodpress <lodpress

>

> Gloria:

> The only true freedom comes from Divine Will so that in this we are absorbed

> into the truth of the universe and free from the anchors of the Earth. This is

> the freedom to be cosmic travelers.

>

> Xanma wrote:

>

> > Xanma

> >

> > INSprofess writes:

> >

> > << I am thinking of my own freedom and how limited it is as a human being.

> > Can we really have any freedom at all? What are we really free to do? >>

> >

> > We can have freedom when we discover what it is and where it already exists.

> > Thinking of it as the duality of freedom-limitation or freedom-bondage will

> > continue to go in the circles in which it has always gone. If you have the

> > aim of freedom to be your original Self, doing will follow naturally.

> >

> > What you are in essence - not the body, mind or personality - is already

free

> > and has never been anything but free. The rediscovery of that simplicity

> > feels miraculous in the context of our complex human existence.

> >

> > For some people meditation or other practices seem to help. No one will

know

> > for you what is best, and I suggest you try whatever you are attracted to in

> > a heartful way.

> >

> > The most direct way is to accept the idea that your true self is not far

away

> > in time or in space, but right here and now. Then you can ask, "Who am I?"

> > without any defining, verbal answer.

> > Your question may be, "From where do I arise?" or "From where does this

> > thought, this feeling arise?".

> >

> > Your answer will be silent and subtle.

> >

> > Xan

> >

> > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ----------------------------

> >

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> >

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> > ------

>

> --

> Enter The Silence to know God...and...accept life as the teacher.

>

> Gloria Joy Greco

> e-mail me at:lodpress visit my homepage & internet retreat at:

> http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

>

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>

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Gloria:

We are here to be, share, and leave fruit, but we are not of the earth. So

in

detachment all of the seeds are planted and grow without that which anchors one

to

the world.

 

Marcia Paul wrote:

> Marcia Paul <jacpa

>

> Marcia:

>

> I have a question here. Why do we have to be free of

> being anchored to the earth? It seems to me that

> the aim is to be

> receptive to the Divine and grounded in the earth.

> As above so below.

>

> lodpress wrote:

>

> > lodpress <lodpress

> >

> > Gloria:

> > The only true freedom comes from Divine Will so that in this we are absorbed

> > into the truth of the universe and free from the anchors of the Earth. This

is

> > the freedom to be cosmic travelers.

> >

> > Xanma wrote:

> >

> > > Xanma

> > >

> > > INSprofess writes:

> > >

> > > << I am thinking of my own freedom and how limited it is as a human being.

> > > Can we really have any freedom at all? What are we really free to do? >>

> > >

> > > We can have freedom when we discover what it is and where it already

exists.

> > > Thinking of it as the duality of freedom-limitation or freedom-bondage

will

> > > continue to go in the circles in which it has always gone. If you have

the

> > > aim of freedom to be your original Self, doing will follow naturally.

> > >

> > > What you are in essence - not the body, mind or personality - is already

free

> > > and has never been anything but free. The rediscovery of that simplicity

> > > feels miraculous in the context of our complex human existence.

> > >

> > > For some people meditation or other practices seem to help. No one will

know

> > > for you what is best, and I suggest you try whatever you are attracted to

in

> > > a heartful way.

> > >

> > > The most direct way is to accept the idea that your true self is not far

away

> > > in time or in space, but right here and now. Then you can ask, "Who am

I?"

> > > without any defining, verbal answer.

> > > Your question may be, "From where do I arise?" or "From where

does this

> > > thought, this feeling arise?".

> > >

> > > Your answer will be silent and subtle.

> > >

> > > Xan

> > >

> > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ----------------------------

> > >

> > > Find people who care about what you care about.

> > >

> > > At ONElist: your connection to community.

> > >

> > > ------

> >

> > --

> > Enter The Silence to know God...and...accept life as the teacher.

> >

> > Gloria Joy Greco

> > e-mail me at:lodpress visit my homepage & internet retreat at:

> > http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

> >

> > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ----------------------------

> >

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> >

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> >

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I know what you mean. I am probably just being nit picky.

But we are of the earth. "From dust thou art and to dust thou

shalt return."

 

Marcia

 

lodpress wrote:

> lodpress <lodpress

>

> Gloria:

> We are here to be, share, and leave fruit, but we are not of the earth. So

in

> detachment all of the seeds are planted and grow without that which anchors

one to

> the world.

>

> Marcia Paul wrote:

>

> > Marcia Paul <jacpa

> >

> > Marcia:

> >

> > I have a question here. Why do we have to be free of

> > being anchored to the earth? It seems to me that

> > the aim is to be

> > receptive to the Divine and grounded in the earth.

> > As above so below.

> >

> > lodpress wrote:

> >

> > > lodpress <lodpress

> > >

> > > Gloria:

> > > The only true freedom comes from Divine Will so that in this we are

absorbed

> > > into the truth of the universe and free from the anchors of the Earth.

This is

> > > the freedom to be cosmic travelers.

> > >

> > > Xanma wrote:

> > >

> > > > Xanma

> > > >

> > > > INSprofess writes:

> > > >

> > > > << I am thinking of my own freedom and how limited it is as a human

being.

> > > > Can we really have any freedom at all? What are we really free to do?

>>

> > > >

> > > > We can have freedom when we discover what it is and where it already

exists.

> > > > Thinking of it as the duality of freedom-limitation or freedom-bondage

will

> > > > continue to go in the circles in which it has always gone. If you have

the

> > > > aim of freedom to be your original Self, doing will follow naturally.

> > > >

> > > > What you are in essence - not the body, mind or personality - is already

free

> > > > and has never been anything but free. The rediscovery of that

simplicity

> > > > feels miraculous in the context of our complex human existence.

> > > >

> > > > For some people meditation or other practices seem to help. No one will

know

> > > > for you what is best, and I suggest you try whatever you are attracted

to in

> > > > a heartful way.

> > > >

> > > > The most direct way is to accept the idea that your true self is not far

away

> > > > in time or in space, but right here and now. Then you can ask, "Who am

I?"

> > > > without any defining, verbal answer.

> > > > Your question may be, "From where do I arise?" or "From

where does

this

> > > > thought, this feeling arise?".

> > > >

> > > > Your answer will be silent and subtle.

> > > >

> > > > Xan

> > > >

> > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ----------------------------

> > > >

> > > > Find people who care about what you care about.

> > > >

> > > > At ONElist: your connection to community.

> > > >

> > > > ------

> > >

> > > --

> > > Enter The Silence to know God...and...accept life as the teacher.

> > >

> > > Gloria Joy Greco

> > > e-mail me at:lodpress visit my homepage & internet retreat

at:

> > > http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

> > >

> > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ----------------------------

> > >

> > > Campaign 2000 is here!

> > >

> > > Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage.

> > >

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> >

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> >

> > How many communities do you think join ONElist each week?

> >

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> >

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> Enter The Silence to know God...and...accept life as the teacher.

>

> Gloria Joy Greco

> e-mail me at:lodpress visit my homepage & internet retreat at:

> http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

>

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What does know what you are talking about really mean?

I have found that when I think I know I am least likely to

know and when I am unknowing I am open.

 

Personally I think that alot of talking about realized states

and realization is all in the head and not grounded in the

body. That is all I am getting at really.

 

Marcia

 

INSprofess wrote:

> INSprofess

>

> In a message dated 7/4/99 5:32:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> jacpa writes:

>

> << Marcia Paul <jacpa

>

> I know what you mean. I am probably just being nit picky.

> But we are of the earth. "From dust thou art and to dust thou

> shalt return."

> >>

>

> What is the dust and where does the dust come from and where does it go? Does

> anyone here know what the hell they are talking about? Please raise your

> hands. I mean really! Thanks.

>

> Nav

>

>

>

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When hungry, be hungry

When suffering, suffer

 

There is no accepting or not accepting

no entity who can accept or reject

I am not saying this glibly, or as if it is an easy "answer"

 

Dan

 

>How can those who are hungry and suffering accept the present moment?

>

>Nav

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> What is the dust and where does the dust come from and where does it go? Does

> anyone here know what the hell they are talking about? Please raise your

> hands. I mean really! Thanks.

>

> Nav

 

So what exactly brought you here? What are you looking for?

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INSprofess wrote:

> Does anyone here know what the hell they are talking about?

 

If we knew what we were talking about

would we talk about it?

 

David

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"Dan Berkow, PhD" wrote:

> "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd

>

> When hungry, be hungry

> When suffering, suffer

>

> There is no accepting or not accepting

> no entity who can accept or reject

> I am not saying this glibly, or as if it is an easy "answer"

>

> Dan

>

 

Yes Dan. I found this to be true as well... the spiral 'out' of 'stillness of

mind' is when we begin to 'enquire', why am I not this or why am I not that

or why do I feel this negativity... there is no reason therefore, we break

ranks to 'find' one... which is, ultimately I believe, self defeating or at

the expense of the 'other'...

 

Regards.

 

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Marcia Paul wrote:

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> Marcia Paul <jacpa

>

> I know what you mean. I am probably just being nit picky.

> But we are of the earth. "From dust thou art and to dust thou

> shalt return."

>

> Marcia

 

But are we free from the one who initially wrote that quote?

 

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> What is the dust and where does the dust come from and where does it go? Does

> anyone here know what the hell they are talking about? Please raise your

> hands. I mean really! Thanks.

>

> Nav

 

Is this how you ask your own hand to raise Nav?

 

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INSprofess wrote:

> INSprofess

>

> In a message dated 7/4/99 6:10:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Xanma

> writes:

>

> << As Glo said "It's all perfect."

> My understanding of that is,

> there is an evolution of con-

> consciousness going on in

> our world and the more we

> accept this present moment

> of that process the more

> ease and joy there is in it.

>

> Xan >>

>

> How can those who are hungry and suffering accept the present moment?

>

> Nav

 

Nav,

Very often it is through suffering & hunger for spirit, an individual

comes to realization about living in the eternal now. We cannot discount the

process which leads to this awareness, it is all valueable. The process of

detachment and listening within is tested and retested, which gradually

brings one into interior knowledge of letting go of the ego and surrendering

to the creator. Gloria

>

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Gloria Joy Greco

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http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

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Re: Freedom/

 

 

 

Freedom; a broken ring

 

Discontinuity disqualifies

 

Human consensus reality

 

Leaving that fine dust

 

Rendered by difference-mind;

 

Tracks of history

 

Lead to this edge

 

Beyond which is origin,

 

 

As origin

 

I leave artifacts

 

Of gold, of iron, of dust

 

No longer impedimentia

 

Now mere texture,

 

Topology of time;

 

A broken ring made spiral...

 

 

==Gene Poole==

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