Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 INSprofess writes: << I am thinking of my own freedom and how limited it is as a human being. Can we really have any freedom at all? What are we really free to do? >> We can have freedom when we discover what it is and where it already exists. Thinking of it as the duality of freedom-limitation or freedom-bondage will continue to go in the circles in which it has always gone. If you have the aim of freedom to be your original Self, doing will follow naturally. What you are in essence - not the body, mind or personality - is already free and has never been anything but free. The rediscovery of that simplicity feels miraculous in the context of our complex human existence. For some people meditation or other practices seem to help. No one will know for you what is best, and I suggest you try whatever you are attracted to in a heartful way. The most direct way is to accept the idea that your true self is not far away in time or in space, but right here and now. Then you can ask, "Who am I?" without any defining, verbal answer. Your question may be, "From where do I arise?" or "From where does this thought, this feeling arise?". Your answer will be silent and subtle. Xan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 << Gloria: The only true freedom comes from Divine Will so that in this we are absorbed into the truth of the universe and free from the anchors of the Earth. This is the freedom to be cosmic travelers. >> --- Xan: Yes. Free from the anchors of our minds, the only anchors that exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 In a message dated 7/4/99 5:32:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jacpa writes: << Marcia Paul <jacpa I know what you mean. I am probably just being nit picky. But we are of the earth. "From dust thou art and to dust thou shalt return." >> What is the dust and where does the dust come from and where does it go? Does anyone here know what the hell they are talking about? Please raise your hands. I mean really! Thanks. Nav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 << Personally I think that alot of talking about realized states and realization is all in the head and not grounded in the body. That is all I am getting at really. Marcia >> --- Yes. An early stage seems to be the idea of Self and infinity is there and the real-ization of it has yet to come. We humans, especially westerners have come to exalt the intellect. Moreover, many of us moved up to live in our heads to avoid the pain in our bodies from not being loved, heard and accepted. Naturally, this phase of awakening would begin here for many people. As Glo said "It's all perfect." My understanding of that is, there is an evolution of con- consciousness going on in our world and the more we accept this present moment of that process the more ease and joy there is in it. Xan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 In a message dated 7/4/99 6:10:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Xanma writes: << As Glo said "It's all perfect." My understanding of that is, there is an evolution of con- consciousness going on in our world and the more we accept this present moment of that process the more ease and joy there is in it. Xan >> How can those who are hungry and suffering accept the present moment? Nav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 << How can those who are hungry and suffering accept the present moment? Nav >> --- We're talking about us, relatively free from suffering, people; those who have a life situation that allows for discovery of the truth of all of us. Preaching to starving people about anything would be ridiculous. But look at this: What do you imagine will happen in our world as more and more people give up their differences, power issues and confllicts and remember themselves at the core as pure love? Xan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 Gloria: The only true freedom comes from Divine Will so that in this we are absorbed into the truth of the universe and free from the anchors of the Earth. This is the freedom to be cosmic travelers. Xanma wrote: > Xanma > > INSprofess writes: > > << I am thinking of my own freedom and how limited it is as a human being. > Can we really have any freedom at all? What are we really free to do? >> > > We can have freedom when we discover what it is and where it already exists. > Thinking of it as the duality of freedom-limitation or freedom-bondage will > continue to go in the circles in which it has always gone. If you have the > aim of freedom to be your original Self, doing will follow naturally. > > What you are in essence - not the body, mind or personality - is already free > and has never been anything but free. The rediscovery of that simplicity > feels miraculous in the context of our complex human existence. > > For some people meditation or other practices seem to help. No one will know > for you what is best, and I suggest you try whatever you are attracted to in > a heartful way. > > The most direct way is to accept the idea that your true self is not far away > in time or in space, but right here and now. Then you can ask, "Who am I?" > without any defining, verbal answer. > Your question may be, "From where do I arise?" or "From where does this > thought, this feeling arise?". > > Your answer will be silent and subtle. > > Xan > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Find people who care about what you care about. > > At ONElist: your connection to community. > > ------ -- Enter The Silence to know God...and...accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at:lodpress visit my homepage & internet retreat at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 In a message dated 7/4/99 6:42:15 PM Central Daylight Time, david.bozzi writes: << If we knew what we were talking about would we talk about it? David >> And my friend what is the answer to your question??? Nav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 Marcia: I have a question here. Why do we have to be free of being anchored to the earth? It seems to me that the aim is to be receptive to the Divine and grounded in the earth. As above so below. lodpress wrote: > lodpress <lodpress > > Gloria: > The only true freedom comes from Divine Will so that in this we are absorbed > into the truth of the universe and free from the anchors of the Earth. This is > the freedom to be cosmic travelers. > > Xanma wrote: > > > Xanma > > > > INSprofess writes: > > > > << I am thinking of my own freedom and how limited it is as a human being. > > Can we really have any freedom at all? What are we really free to do? >> > > > > We can have freedom when we discover what it is and where it already exists. > > Thinking of it as the duality of freedom-limitation or freedom-bondage will > > continue to go in the circles in which it has always gone. If you have the > > aim of freedom to be your original Self, doing will follow naturally. > > > > What you are in essence - not the body, mind or personality - is already free > > and has never been anything but free. The rediscovery of that simplicity > > feels miraculous in the context of our complex human existence. > > > > For some people meditation or other practices seem to help. No one will know > > for you what is best, and I suggest you try whatever you are attracted to in > > a heartful way. > > > > The most direct way is to accept the idea that your true self is not far away > > in time or in space, but right here and now. Then you can ask, "Who am I?" > > without any defining, verbal answer. > > Your question may be, "From where do I arise?" or "From where does this > > thought, this feeling arise?". > > > > Your answer will be silent and subtle. > > > > Xan > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > Find people who care about what you care about. > > > > At ONElist: your connection to community. > > > > ------ > > -- > Enter The Silence to know God...and...accept life as the teacher. > > Gloria Joy Greco > e-mail me at:lodpress visit my homepage & internet retreat at: > http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Campaign 2000 is here! > > Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. > > ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 Gloria: We are here to be, share, and leave fruit, but we are not of the earth. So in detachment all of the seeds are planted and grow without that which anchors one to the world. Marcia Paul wrote: > Marcia Paul <jacpa > > Marcia: > > I have a question here. Why do we have to be free of > being anchored to the earth? It seems to me that > the aim is to be > receptive to the Divine and grounded in the earth. > As above so below. > > lodpress wrote: > > > lodpress <lodpress > > > > Gloria: > > The only true freedom comes from Divine Will so that in this we are absorbed > > into the truth of the universe and free from the anchors of the Earth. This is > > the freedom to be cosmic travelers. > > > > Xanma wrote: > > > > > Xanma > > > > > > INSprofess writes: > > > > > > << I am thinking of my own freedom and how limited it is as a human being. > > > Can we really have any freedom at all? What are we really free to do? >> > > > > > > We can have freedom when we discover what it is and where it already exists. > > > Thinking of it as the duality of freedom-limitation or freedom-bondage will > > > continue to go in the circles in which it has always gone. If you have the > > > aim of freedom to be your original Self, doing will follow naturally. > > > > > > What you are in essence - not the body, mind or personality - is already free > > > and has never been anything but free. The rediscovery of that simplicity > > > feels miraculous in the context of our complex human existence. > > > > > > For some people meditation or other practices seem to help. No one will know > > > for you what is best, and I suggest you try whatever you are attracted to in > > > a heartful way. > > > > > > The most direct way is to accept the idea that your true self is not far away > > > in time or in space, but right here and now. Then you can ask, "Who am I?" > > > without any defining, verbal answer. > > > Your question may be, "From where do I arise?" or "From where does this > > > thought, this feeling arise?". > > > > > > Your answer will be silent and subtle. > > > > > > Xan > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > > > Find people who care about what you care about. > > > > > > At ONElist: your connection to community. > > > > > > ------ > > > > -- > > Enter The Silence to know God...and...accept life as the teacher. > > > > Gloria Joy Greco > > e-mail me at:lodpress visit my homepage & internet retreat at: > > http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > Campaign 2000 is here! > > > > Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. > > > > ------ > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > How many communities do you think join ONElist each week? > > More than 5,000! Create yours now! > > ------ -- Enter The Silence to know God...and...accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at:lodpress visit my homepage & internet retreat at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 I am sorry you took it so personally my friend! Nav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 I know what you mean. I am probably just being nit picky. But we are of the earth. "From dust thou art and to dust thou shalt return." Marcia lodpress wrote: > lodpress <lodpress > > Gloria: > We are here to be, share, and leave fruit, but we are not of the earth. So in > detachment all of the seeds are planted and grow without that which anchors one to > the world. > > Marcia Paul wrote: > > > Marcia Paul <jacpa > > > > Marcia: > > > > I have a question here. Why do we have to be free of > > being anchored to the earth? It seems to me that > > the aim is to be > > receptive to the Divine and grounded in the earth. > > As above so below. > > > > lodpress wrote: > > > > > lodpress <lodpress > > > > > > Gloria: > > > The only true freedom comes from Divine Will so that in this we are absorbed > > > into the truth of the universe and free from the anchors of the Earth. This is > > > the freedom to be cosmic travelers. > > > > > > Xanma wrote: > > > > > > > Xanma > > > > > > > > INSprofess writes: > > > > > > > > << I am thinking of my own freedom and how limited it is as a human being. > > > > Can we really have any freedom at all? What are we really free to do? >> > > > > > > > > We can have freedom when we discover what it is and where it already exists. > > > > Thinking of it as the duality of freedom-limitation or freedom-bondage will > > > > continue to go in the circles in which it has always gone. If you have the > > > > aim of freedom to be your original Self, doing will follow naturally. > > > > > > > > What you are in essence - not the body, mind or personality - is already free > > > > and has never been anything but free. The rediscovery of that simplicity > > > > feels miraculous in the context of our complex human existence. > > > > > > > > For some people meditation or other practices seem to help. No one will know > > > > for you what is best, and I suggest you try whatever you are attracted to in > > > > a heartful way. > > > > > > > > The most direct way is to accept the idea that your true self is not far away > > > > in time or in space, but right here and now. Then you can ask, "Who am I?" > > > > without any defining, verbal answer. > > > > Your question may be, "From where do I arise?" or "From where does this > > > > thought, this feeling arise?". > > > > > > > > Your answer will be silent and subtle. > > > > > > > > Xan > > > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > > > > > Find people who care about what you care about. > > > > > > > > At ONElist: your connection to community. > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > -- > > > Enter The Silence to know God...and...accept life as the teacher. > > > > > > Gloria Joy Greco > > > e-mail me at:lodpress visit my homepage & internet retreat at: > > > http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > > > Campaign 2000 is here! > > > > > > Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. > > > > > > ------ > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > How many communities do you think join ONElist each week? > > > > More than 5,000! Create yours now! > > > > ------ > > -- > Enter The Silence to know God...and...accept life as the teacher. > > Gloria Joy Greco > e-mail me at:lodpress visit my homepage & internet retreat at: > http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > What do fashion and football have in common? > > They both have communities at ONElist. Find yours today! > > ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 What does know what you are talking about really mean? I have found that when I think I know I am least likely to know and when I am unknowing I am open. Personally I think that alot of talking about realized states and realization is all in the head and not grounded in the body. That is all I am getting at really. Marcia INSprofess wrote: > INSprofess > > In a message dated 7/4/99 5:32:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jacpa writes: > > << Marcia Paul <jacpa > > I know what you mean. I am probably just being nit picky. > But we are of the earth. "From dust thou art and to dust thou > shalt return." > >> > > What is the dust and where does the dust come from and where does it go? Does > anyone here know what the hell they are talking about? Please raise your > hands. I mean really! Thanks. > > Nav > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > What do fashion and football have in common? > > They both have communities at ONElist. Find yours today! > > ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 When hungry, be hungry When suffering, suffer There is no accepting or not accepting no entity who can accept or reject I am not saying this glibly, or as if it is an easy "answer" Dan >How can those who are hungry and suffering accept the present moment? > >Nav > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Check out this week's ONElist of the week. > >How is ONElist changing YOUR life? Visit our homepage and let us know! > >------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 > What is the dust and where does the dust come from and where does it go? Does > anyone here know what the hell they are talking about? Please raise your > hands. I mean really! Thanks. > > Nav So what exactly brought you here? What are you looking for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 INSprofess wrote: > Does anyone here know what the hell they are talking about? If we knew what we were talking about would we talk about it? David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 "Dan Berkow, PhD" wrote: > "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd > > When hungry, be hungry > When suffering, suffer > > There is no accepting or not accepting > no entity who can accept or reject > I am not saying this glibly, or as if it is an easy "answer" > > Dan > Yes Dan. I found this to be true as well... the spiral 'out' of 'stillness of mind' is when we begin to 'enquire', why am I not this or why am I not that or why do I feel this negativity... there is no reason therefore, we break ranks to 'find' one... which is, ultimately I believe, self defeating or at the expense of the 'other'... Regards. Tim Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 Marcia Paul wrote: > > Marcia Paul <jacpa > > I know what you mean. I am probably just being nit picky. > But we are of the earth. "From dust thou art and to dust thou > shalt return." > > Marcia But are we free from the one who initially wrote that quote? Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 1999 Report Share Posted July 4, 1999 > What is the dust and where does the dust come from and where does it go? Does > anyone here know what the hell they are talking about? Please raise your > hands. I mean really! Thanks. > > Nav Is this how you ask your own hand to raise Nav? Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 1999 Report Share Posted July 5, 1999 INSprofess wrote: > INSprofess > > In a message dated 7/4/99 6:10:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Xanma > writes: > > << As Glo said "It's all perfect." > My understanding of that is, > there is an evolution of con- > consciousness going on in > our world and the more we > accept this present moment > of that process the more > ease and joy there is in it. > > Xan >> > > How can those who are hungry and suffering accept the present moment? > > Nav Nav, Very often it is through suffering & hunger for spirit, an individual comes to realization about living in the eternal now. We cannot discount the process which leads to this awareness, it is all valueable. The process of detachment and listening within is tested and retested, which gradually brings one into interior knowledge of letting go of the ego and surrendering to the creator. Gloria > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Check out this week's ONElist of the week. > > How is ONElist changing YOUR life? Visit our homepage and let us know! > > ------ -- Enter The Silence to know God...and...accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at:lodpress visit my homepage & internet retreat at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 1999 Report Share Posted July 5, 1999 HS Re: Freedom/ Freedom; a broken ring Discontinuity disqualifies Human consensus reality Leaving that fine dust Rendered by difference-mind; Tracks of history Lead to this edge Beyond which is origin, As origin I leave artifacts Of gold, of iron, of dust No longer impedimentia Now mere texture, Topology of time; A broken ring made spiral... ==Gene Poole== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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