Guest guest Posted July 8, 1999 Report Share Posted July 8, 1999 David: << Jesus Christ. very large ego. >> --- Where'd you get that idea? xan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 1999 Report Share Posted July 8, 1999 David: << Jesus had a powerful personality. The overturning of the money tables is a trite example. Here's a more convincing one... the rounding up of followers and traveling from town to town preaching. Need I say more? (huge ego). The notion that a large ego is bad is simplistic. Those with large egos are different from the average in the sense that they have the capacity either for greater harm or greater healing than the average. Our choice, Blessings... >> --- I guess it depends on your definition of ego, but it sounds to me that you are equating power and powerful acts with ego power, the desire to prove oneself. In my definition motivation is the key. Is the person doing a powerful act to verify and maintain a separate identity, or in the pure state of Self do powerful acts sometimes happen? Is there an assumption that if one is teaching and gathering followers it is to verify limited identity, or is it possible this is an act of compassion to awaken sleeping minds? I don't see that descriptions of someone's behavior reveal the actual moving force - mind or Self. xan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 1999 Report Share Posted July 8, 1999 Namaste, An individual walking around after enlightenment? I think so, but individual what? An individual body and mind, no ego, The wheel has to spin out even though it is turned off. In other words the mind is as individual and as real as the realised body! There is only observation, no attachment that's all, until the body drops. A Jivanmukti. Love Tony. === Keep on truckin-Chant the Gayatri! "God is formless. In order to merge in the formless God, you have to give up identification with the body." "There is only one Soul and that is God." Sai Baba. _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 1999 Report Share Posted July 8, 1999 Tony O'Clery wrote: > An individual walking around after enlightenment? > I think so, but individual what? An individual body and mind, no ego, Body and mind are of ego. If when we say 'enlightened' we think we are referring to spiritually advanced folk, I'd note that the people we usually think of as enlightened have larger egos than average. Jesus Christ/ Charles Manson. Both very large egos. How ego is used? To wound or heal? There's a practical issue. > There is > only observation, no attachment that's all, until the body drops. If a body drops in a world where there's no one around to hear it, does it make a sound? Blessings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 Xanma wrote: > << Jesus Christ. very large ego. >> > --- > Where'd you get that idea? Jesus had a powerful personality. The overturning of the money tables is a trite example. Here's a more convincing one... the rounding up of followers and traveling from town to town preaching. Need I say more? (huge ego). The notion that a large ego is bad is simplistic. Those with large egos are different from the average in the sense that they have the capacity either for greater harm or greater healing than the average. Our choice, Blessings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 Xanma wrote: > I guess it depends on your definition of ego, but it sounds to me that you > are equating power and powerful acts with ego power, the desire to prove > oneself. No. To kill someone for thrill of killing requires an immense ego as does being a powerful healer. Ego is a manifestation of power. Only when we think we know what it is comes trouble. > In my definition motivation is the key. Yes, intent. We all have this ego. *How* shall it be used? We are not so far apart. St Mountain I carry a concrete cross on my back in a field of gravity that attracts like a red sun. Personality is magnetic, like love, like sin, sucks everything in to the core of it's spinning gravity. Roses come with thorns, rainbows with rain, and lovers, they bring pain. Where ever I travel, it follows like a charismatic moon, my shadow at night. Do I nail it to a tree? ....or wipe it out like a race. It dwarfs like a mountain. Do I climb it? I sacrificed it all to be a king that rules a kingdom of missing persons where nobody's home and absenteeism's at an all-time high. Now it's just me, that weathers under seething sun rays in a relentless wind so gradually to sand, to ashes, to dust... ...like an ego eroding. St. Mountain. (I am) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 At 11:04 PM 7/8/99 -0400, you wrote: >David Bozzi <david.bozzi > >Xanma wrote: > >> << Jesus Christ. very large ego. >> >> --- >> Where'd you get that idea? > >Jesus had a powerful personality. Another example of the confusion of "personality" with "ego." Never have there been two terms less understood, or more widely abused. Hari OM, Tim ----- Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 David Bozzi wrote: > > > << Jesus Christ. very large ego. >> > > --- > > Where'd you get that idea? > > The overturning of the money tables is a trite example. > > Here's a more convincing one... > the rounding up of followers and traveling from town to town preaching. > > Need I say more? > (huge ego). * * * Hello, I have trouble seeing the outburst in the Temple as ego. I always saw it as righteous indignation. The Temple was a holy place that was being used for all sorts of unholy activities. There are even borderlines around this list concerning foul lanuage and flaming others.Certain behaviours are not acceptable . + Maureen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 David Bozzi wrote: > To walk into a discussion whether it's 'right' or wrong' is to walk on quicksand. > (wonder if Jesus could do that?) * * * Well, thanks a lot for the warning. I don't write very often. As to if Jesus would do that, quess you seem to know. > People that kill abortion doctors feel just as justified." * * * Sorry David but this much I do recall from reading about that Temple happening. Jesus didn't kill anybody. Apples and oranges to me but what do I know. + Maureen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Maureen Heffernan wrote: > Hello, > I have trouble seeing the outburst in the Temple as ego. I always saw > it as righteous indignation. The Temple was a holy place that was being > used for all sorts of unholy activities. There are even borderlines > around this list concerning foul lanuage and flaming others.Certain > behaviours are not acceptable . > + Maureen Ever seen those depiction of some Buddhist deities in flames? these are the good guys mind you, but sometimes its true that compassion manifests in a wrathful form. Some beings need that. --jt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 Tim Gerchmez wrote: > Another example of the confusion of "personality" with "ego." Never have > there been two terms less understood, or more widely abused. Personality is an aspect of ego. Much like a branch is an aspect of a tree. > Hari OM, BTW, what's an 'OM' and have you tried Nair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 Hi Maureen, Maureen Heffernan wrote: > Hello, > I have trouble seeing the outburst in the Temple as ego. I always saw > it as righteous indignation. 'Righteous indignation' certainly requires ego. > The Temple was a holy place that was being > used for all sorts of unholy activities. There are even borderlines > around this list concerning foul lanuage and flaming others.Certain > behaviours are not acceptable . Fine. But you're justifying an action. To walk into a discussion whether it's 'right' or wrong' is to walk on quicksand. (wonder if Jesus could do that?) People that kill abortion doctors feel just as justified. To engage in outbursts (regardless of the reason) and to bomb an abortion clinic both require a powerful ego... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 david.bozzi << Personality is an aspect of ego. Much like a branch is an aspect of a tree. >> --- I see it the other way around. Everything alive here has personality - animals and even sometimes plants. There is a unique personal nature with its own flavor and combination of qualities. Ego is the tendency to hold on to the personality as if it were the real self, and to defend and project it. Thought of this way, people who are purely Self-realized have their unique personalities, but they are not in projection or defense of the small self-identity. xan xan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 Maureen Heffernan wrote: > David Bozzi wrote: > > > To walk into a discussion whether it's 'right' or wrong' is to walk on quicksand. > > (wonder if Jesus could do that?) > * * * > Well, thanks a lot for the warning. I don't write very often. > As to if Jesus would do that, quess you seem to know. Why do you see that? > > People that kill abortion doctors feel just as justified." > * * * > Sorry David but this much I do recall from reading about that Temple > happening. Jesus didn't kill anybody. Regardless, it requires an ego to be outrageous as it does to kill. > Apples and oranges to me but what do I know. Well you know the difference between apples and oranges... ...and that requires ego. Blessings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 Xanma wrote: > Xanma > > david.bozzi > > << Personality is an aspect of ego. > Much like a branch is an aspect of a tree. > >> > --- > > I see it the other way around. > Everything alive here has personality - > animals and even sometimes plants. > There is a unique personal nature with > its own flavor and combination of qualities. > > Ego is the tendency to hold on to the > personality as if it were the real self, > and to defend and project it. > > Thought of this way, people who are > purely Self-realized have their unique > personalities, but they are not in > projection or defense of the small > self-identity. Yes, we are using a word differently. This is fine. Ever look at clouds? Blessings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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