Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 << Tim G: If you'll pardon me, what in the hell is "non-physical light?" >> >--- > >xan: When you see it you'll know. Tim G: "If you build it, they will come..." >> --- It's already "built". You come. xan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 << Chuckle>... light is somewhere on the frequency spectrum, is it not? "Visible light" is only a tiny part of that spectrum that can be seen by the eyes. Below visible light frequencies is infrared, and above it is ultraviolet (and somewhere higher are microwaves, as you mention). That's why I wonder at the concept of "non-physical light." I wonder if some people have watched the movie "Poltergeist" one too many times :-) Hari OM, Tim >> --- Non-physical light would have to be seen not with the physical eye. Right? I appreciate that you are a "show me" kind of guy. Just you wait! xan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 In a message dated 7/9/99 4:27:56 PM Mountain Daylight Time, harris writes: << How about this for a non-physical light defintion. Light is a beam of a ray that extends out from the source. You look at your computer screen and you can see it because it is 'physical' light... however, consider, is there not also light 'between' your eyes and the screen? This is 'non-physical' light that is there but not physical because it has nothing to reflect off... don't believe me that it is there?... just slip your 'hand' between your eyes and the screen... can you see your hand? That is because you have placed into the nonphysical light and by providing an object for it to reflect off have made it physical... objects are not light but proof that light exist... the 'nothing, void, or emptiness' is what is betweem sight and object... try a meditation where you focus at this 'in-between' light/dark(void)... you may be surprised at what you see... I know I was... still am. Gentle Peace. Tim Harris ----- >> Maybe so but that's not what I'm talking about, and I don't know why I'm talking about it. This is what I have experienced, not sought but a gift: Eyes closed, awareness in no-thingness, just being. Brillliant light of no color everywhere, not shining from or to, there being no sense of space or time. The feeling - the word ecstasy falls short. xan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 At 03:29 AM 7/9/99 EDT, you wrote: >Xanma > >Tim G: > ><< If you'll pardon me, what in the hell is "non-physical light?" >> >--- > >When you see it you'll know. "If you build it, they will come..." ----- Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 At 08:47 AM 7/9/99 -0500, you wrote: >"Debora A. Orf" <dorf01 > >On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Dan Berkow, PhD wrote: > >> "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd >> >> Non-physical light is that which light is >> outside of our sensorily defined dimension. > >In other words, its what happens in the microwave <Chuckle>... light is somewhere on the frequency spectrum, is it not? "Visible light" is only a tiny part of that spectrum that can be seen by the eyes. Below visible light frequencies is infrared, and above it is ultraviolet (and somewhere higher are microwaves, as you mention). That's why I wonder at the concept of "non-physical light." I wonder if some people have watched the movie "Poltergeist" one too many times :-) Hari OM, Tim ----- Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 Tim, I admit to liking sci-fi movies. Including the Matrix, by the way. Which did have a nice nondual aspect to it (plus a lot of sillineness). There are mathematicians who have pointed to the need to include a concept of other dimensions in order to reconcile quantum physics with relativity theory. The most successful of these so far is string theory. I'm not a physicist or into math - so when I read books about extradimensional stuff for the layperson I do it just to enjoy the theorizing. And the idea of a dimensionality beyond our own that affects our own is fun. Light seems a good candidate for being a force that acts in our universe while having a reality outside our space-time continuum. I admit this is sci-fi stuff conceptually. But it opens the door for things that lots of folks in here believe in anyway, like transfer of information without the info passing through normal space-time channels. The connection between awareness and light has always fascinated me, as a theme in myth and even in our everyday language. Peace - Dan At 12:37 PM 7/9/99 -0700, you wrote: >Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > >At 08:47 AM 7/9/99 -0500, you wrote: >>"Debora A. Orf" <dorf01 >> >>On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Dan Berkow, PhD wrote: >> >>> "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd >>> >>> Non-physical light is that which light is >>> outside of our sensorily defined dimension. >> >>In other words, its what happens in the microwave > ><Chuckle>... light is somewhere on the frequency spectrum, is it not? >"Visible light" is only a tiny part of that spectrum that can be seen by >the eyes. Below visible light frequencies is infrared, and above it is >ultraviolet (and somewhere higher are microwaves, as you mention). That's >why I wonder at the concept of "non-physical light." I wonder if some >people have watched the movie "Poltergeist" one too many times :-) > >Hari OM, > >Tim > >----- >Visit The Core of the WWW at: >http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html >Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >How has ONElist changed your life? >Share your story with us at > >------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:37:55 -0700 Tim Gerchmez <fewtch writes: > Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > > At 08:47 AM 7/9/99 -0500, you wrote: > >"Debora A. Orf" <dorf01 > > > >On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Dan Berkow, PhD wrote: > > > >> "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd > >> > >> Non-physical light is that which light is > >> outside of our sensorily defined dimension. > > > >In other words, its what happens in the microwave > > <Chuckle>... light is somewhere on the frequency spectrum, is it > not? > "Visible light" is only a tiny part of that spectrum that can be > seen by > the eyes. Below visible light frequencies is infrared, and above it > is > ultraviolet (and somewhere higher are microwaves, as you mention). Actually, microwaves are lower in frequency (longer in wavelength) that the light and near-light portions of the spectrum. They're called "micro" because their wavelengths are miniscule compared to the radio portion of the spectrum. The wavelengths of infrared, visible light, and ultraviolet are in turn progressively shorter than microwaves, with X rays, gamma rays, and cosmic rays shorter still. None of these various radiations is in any way "non-physical" -- I would hazard a guess that any such "light" is purely metaphoric in nature and points toward awareness rather than measurable electromagnetic phenomena. > That's > why I wonder at the concept of "non-physical light." I wonder if > some > people have watched the movie "Poltergeist" one too many times :-) > :-) http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm m(_ _)m _ _________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 Bruce - Wow. All this started from a simple remark about nonphysical light. Such reverberations on a theme! Your post appears scientifically correct. It's good to have clarification on the frequencies. Definitely there is a metaphorical association between nonphysical light and awareness. Science, as it stands, could not substantiate such a link, so we would have to take it as metaphor, although perhaps in the future, as theories of other dimensions evolve, who knows? Physical light has a connection with awareness expressing through physical form, since none of us would be here without light (the Big Bang, the sun), light for vegetation which we need for food. An interesting connection between light and awareness, even physically, but mythically and metaphorically very much so. The "limitless light" Ayn Soph of Qabala, the radiance associated with saints and mystics, the Clear Light of Tibetan Buddhism... At 04:06 PM 7/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >Bruce Morgen <editor >Actually, microwaves are >lower in frequency (longer >in wavelength) that the >light and near-light >portions of the spectrum. >They're called "micro" >because their wavelengths >are miniscule compared to >the radio portion of the >spectrum. The wavelengths >of infrared, visible light, >and ultraviolet are in turn >progressively shorter than >microwaves, with X rays, >gamma rays, and cosmic rays >shorter still. None of >these various radiations is >in any way "non-physical" >-- I would hazard a guess >that any such "light" is >purely metaphoric in nature >and points toward awareness >rather than measurable >electromagnetic phenomena. > >> That's >> why I wonder at the concept of "non-physical light." I wonder if >> some >> people have watched the movie "Poltergeist" one too many times :-) >> >:-) > > >http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm >http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm > m(_ _)m >_ > >_________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >ONElist members are using Shared Files in great ways! > >Are you? If not, see our homepage for details. > >------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 Xanma wrote: > Xanma > > << Chuckle>... light is somewhere on the frequency spectrum, is it not? > "Visible light" is only a tiny part of that spectrum that can be seen by > the eyes. Below visible light frequencies is infrared, and above it is > ultraviolet (and somewhere higher are microwaves, as you mention). That's > why I wonder at the concept of "non-physical light." I wonder if some > people have watched the movie "Poltergeist" one too many times :-) > > Hari OM, > > Tim > >> > --- > > Non-physical light would have to be > seen not with the physical eye. Right? > > I appreciate that you are a "show me" > kind of guy. Just you wait! > > xan > How about this for a non-physical light defintion. Light is a beam of a ray that extends out from the source. You look at your computer screen and you can see it because it is 'physical' light... however, consider, is there not also light 'between' your eyes and the screen? This is 'non-physical' light that is there but not physical because it has nothing to reflect off... don't believe me that it is there?... just slip your 'hand' between your eyes and the screen... can you see your hand? That is because you have placed into the nonphysical light and by providing an object for it to reflect off have made it physical... objects are not light but proof that light exist... the 'nothing, void, or emptiness' is what is betweem sight and object... try a meditation where you focus at this 'in-between' light/dark(void)... you may be surprised at what you see... I know I was... still am. Gentle Peace. Tim Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 >harris writes: > How about this for a non-physical light defintion. Light is a beam of a ray > that extends out from the source. You look at your computer screen and you >can > see it because it is 'physical' light... however, consider, is there not also > light 'between' your eyes and the screen? This is 'non-physical' light that >is > there but not physical because it has nothing to reflect off... How about non-physical light as awareness? Light as that which illuminates the objects that appear to awareness? The objects come from this light, are sustained in it, subside back into it, and are never separate from it. Regards, --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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