Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:17:43 -0700 Tim Gerchmez <fewtch writes: > Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > > At 04:06 PM 7/9/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Bruce Morgen <editor > > >Actually, microwaves are > >lower in frequency (longer > >in wavelength) that the > >light and near-light > >portions of the spectrum. > >They're called "micro" > >because their wavelengths > >are miniscule compared to > >the radio portion of the > >spectrum. > > Actually, you're wrong about this. Microwaves are above the > Ultra-High-Frequency (UHF) radio spectrum, they are extremely high > in frequency. Yup, but still longer in *wavelength* that IR, visible light, or UV! You've created a disagreement where there is none. Read what I wrote again and keep the ideas of frequency and wavelength, which are in inverse relationship, clear in your head. > Don't take my word for it, look it up. I've been > interested in radio for years. I will refrain from comment. > The shorter the wavelength, the higher the > frequency. Exactly. > Since microwaves, as you say, have a "miniscule" wavelength, the > frequency is extremely high, far above that of visible light. Correct, now where was I "wrong?" > The longer the > wavelength, the LOWER the frequency. The shorter the wavelength, > the HIGHER the frequency. > Correct, now where was I "wrong?" Much love -- Bruce http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm m(_ _)m _ _________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 > Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > >Bruce Morgen <editor > > >Actually, microwaves are > >lower in frequency (longer > >in wavelength) that the > >light and near-light > >portions of the spectrum. > >They're called "micro" > >because their wavelengths > >are miniscule compared to > >the radio portion of the > >spectrum. > > Actually, you're wrong about this. Microwaves are above the > Ultra-High-Frequency (UHF) radio spectrum, they are extremely high in > frequency. Don't take my word for it, look it up. I've been interested in > radio for years. The shorter the wavelength, the higher the frequency. > Since microwaves, as you say, have a "miniscule" wavelength, the frequency > is extremely high, far above that of visible light. The longer the > wavelength, the LOWER the frequency. The shorter the wavelength, the > HIGHER the frequency. The length of the wave also reflects it's properties on how it will touch the flesh in the spectrum it may be affected by light. Infrared and longer wave, (lower frequencies) will burn the flesh on the surface before heating the center of it, like in a normal oven, where you can see the lower limit in the red color of the eating element. (heat comes here by the friction's of electron (very rapid in the form kwon as electricity) in the dense atomic element of carbon and metal the heating element of the oven is, called a high resistance to electricity material) Micro wave being shorter in wave length than the light we see, affects our flesh by vibrations on atomic level out to the structure of the flesh. Thus the skin cooks after the inside, from an exposition to it. They are so many other waves around us, still invisible to the flesh, some probably much more longer than the gravitational field and others much more shorter than any gamma rays. A consciousness may just exist that touches all those rays of the spectrum of creation. A nice sun it must be. Some physicist will call it the unique photon, to give it a name. A breathing living entity called the universe of which we are the leafs like on a tree. Or is it all a product of our imagination, or more specifically the imagination tied to our sensory system? or is our sensory system a form of imagination in itself? Sharing, and wondering, Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 1999 Report Share Posted July 10, 1999 >"jb" <kvy9 >[...] > >This reminded of a thought experiment to show a few quirks of the universe. >As a wave, the photon has wavelength and frequency. But at a frequency of >zero, the wavelength becomes infinite whereas the universe is finite. What >is more, this wave of infinite wavelength has to travel with the speed of >light but "where" can it go? > >Jan Hi Jan, Perhaps the problem lies in the assumption of the existence of photons with zero frequency, ie., zero energy. Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 1999 Report Share Posted July 10, 1999 > Antoine <carrea [...] > A consciousness may just exist that touches all those rays of the > spectrum of creation. A nice sun it must be. Some physicist will call it > the unique photon, to give it a name. A breathing living entity called > the universe of which we are the leafs like on a tree. Or is it all a > product of our imagination, or more specifically the imagination tied to > our sensory system? or is our sensory system a form of imagination in > itself? > > Sharing, and wondering, > > Antoine This reminded of a thought experiment to show a few quirks of the universe. As a wave, the photon has wavelength and frequency. But at a frequency of zero, the wavelength becomes infinite whereas the universe is finite. What is more, this wave of infinite wavelength has to travel with the speed of light but "where" can it go? Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 1999 Report Share Posted July 10, 1999 I love this thought-experiment, although knowing little of physics. It reminds me of something I read in one of those science and religion books... This book suggested that a "wavelength of zero" must occur for each wave for infintesimal moments of time -- as there is a pause at the fulcrum point where the wave changes from a positive direction to the inverse direction. If consciousness is considered as a wave function, there are mini-instants constantly when infinity is accessible. Such points could be where all waves are interconnected at infinity. I know that recent physics theory suggests such an interconnection of phenomena. All of the information that is the universe, functioning moment to moment in totaly synchronicity... Peace, Dan > >This reminded of a thought experiment to show a few quirks of the universe. >As a wave, the photon has wavelength and frequency. But at a frequency of >zero, the wavelength becomes infinite whereas the universe is finite. What >is more, this wave of infinite wavelength has to travel with the speed of >light but "where" can it go? > >Jan > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Attention ONElist list owners. > >We've just added a "NO ATTACHMENTS" option. See homepage for details. > >------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 1999 Report Share Posted July 10, 1999 > "Ah Sam" <ah__sam [...] > Hi Jan, > > Perhaps the problem lies in the assumption of the existence of > photons with > zero frequency, ie., zero energy. > > Sam. A wave with a frequency of 10^¯²º Hz still doesn't "fit" in the universe. Per photon the energy may be low, with many photons the energy can be high (wave with high amplitude). Apparently, the universe was designed with the risk of standing waves in mind and that's another "explanation" why the sky is black Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 1999 Report Share Posted July 10, 1999 Hello Dan and Jan, Just vocabulary in physics, as i use words to express myself on this list in english. "When a linear dimension becomes infinite, it should be considered to have rotated 90 degrees, as an additional orthogonal dimension. " This basic mathematical tool is applied in a variety of applications. In a one dimension space the sign minus put in front of the numbers (0,1,2,3...to infinity) (N) creates the set (-infinite,..., -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, ... infinity) (Z). The sign minus expressing this rotation of "90" degrees for a linear world. Applying the same "rotation" on (Z) you have the complex or imaginary numbers, and so own. Touching the infinite is a source of Creation of dimensions if one complies to our imaginary laws of math's. When touching zero seems to be a point a Annihilation of those dimensions. To take Jan words, according to the little language of physics i know, a photon with a frequency of zero, would simply be the all the matter at zero Kelvin (-273 C, - something F). I guess it can't go somewhere, it absorbs infinity or the infinite dimensions. Infinity and zero are tied in many ways in math's operations, where they lead back one to the other, like a snake running after its tail, or the tail running after the head. As for example a basic definition in math's is that any real number divided by infinity = zero. And any real number divided by zero = infinity. But what does give: zero multiplied by infinity ? On mind games, Antoine Dan Berkow, PhD wrote: > > "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd > > I love this thought-experiment, although knowing little of physics. > It reminds me of something I read in one of those > science and religion books... > This book suggested that a "wavelength of zero" must occur for each > wave for infintesimal moments of time -- > as there is a pause > at the fulcrum point > where the wave changes from a positive direction to the inverse direction. > > If consciousness is considered as a wave function, > there are mini-instants constantly when infinity is accessible. > > Such points could be where all waves are interconnected at infinity. > I know that recent physics theory suggests such an interconnection > of phenomena. All of the information that is the universe, functioning > moment to moment in totaly synchronicity... > > Peace, Dan > > > > >This reminded of a thought experiment to show a few quirks of the universe. > >As a wave, the photon has wavelength and frequency. But at a frequency of > >zero, the wavelength becomes infinite whereas the universe is finite. What > >is more, this wave of infinite wavelength has to travel with the speed of > >light but "where" can it go? > > > >Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 1999 Report Share Posted July 10, 1999 > A wave with a frequency of 10^¯²º Hz still doesn't "fit" in the universe. > Per photon the energy may be low, with many photons the energy can be high > (wave with high amplitude). Apparently, the universe was designed with the > risk of standing waves in mind and that's another "explanation" why the sky > is black > > Jan No it's white when i lie down floating on the waters of my lake at nights, the black comes to vanish away in the milk of stars. Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 1999 Report Share Posted July 10, 1999 0 = 'no' thing = 'non' existence. 1 = 'all' things = existence = 1 infinity, eternity (whatever) and all contained in infinity, eternity (whatever) including 'you'. 0 x 1 = 0 and 1. Why not -1? Define negative eternity? 0?...? I thought so too.... ;o) Gentle Peace. Tim Harris Antoine wrote: > Antoine <carrea > > Hello Dan and Jan, > > Just vocabulary in physics, as i use words to express myself on this > list in english. > > "When a linear dimension becomes infinite, it should be considered to > have rotated 90 degrees, as an additional orthogonal dimension. " > > This basic mathematical tool is applied in a variety of applications. In > a one dimension space the sign minus put in front of the numbers > (0,1,2,3...to infinity) (N) creates the set (-infinite,..., -3, -2, -1, > 0, 1, 2, 3, ... infinity) (Z). The sign minus expressing this rotation > of "90" degrees for a linear world. Applying the same "rotation" on (Z) > you have the complex or imaginary numbers, and so own. > > Touching the infinite is a source of Creation of dimensions if one > complies to our imaginary laws of math's. When touching zero seems to be > a point a Annihilation of those dimensions. > > To take Jan words, according to the little language of physics i know, a > photon with a frequency of zero, would simply be the all the matter at > zero Kelvin (-273 C, - something F). I guess it can't go somewhere, it > absorbs infinity or the infinite dimensions. > > Infinity and zero are tied in many ways in math's operations, where they > lead back one to the other, like a snake running after its tail, or the > tail running after the head. As for example a basic definition in math's > is that any real number divided by infinity = zero. And any real number > divided by zero = infinity. But what does give: zero multiplied by > infinity ? > > On mind games, > > Antoine > > Dan Berkow, PhD wrote: > > > > "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd > > > > I love this thought-experiment, although knowing little of physics. > > It reminds me of something I read in one of those > > science and religion books... > > This book suggested that a "wavelength of zero" must occur for each > > wave for infintesimal moments of time -- > > as there is a pause > > at the fulcrum point > > where the wave changes from a positive direction to the inverse direction. > > > > If consciousness is considered as a wave function, > > there are mini-instants constantly when infinity is accessible. > > > > Such points could be where all waves are interconnected at infinity. > > I know that recent physics theory suggests such an interconnection > > of phenomena. All of the information that is the universe, functioning > > moment to moment in totaly synchronicity... > > > > Peace, Dan > > > > > > > >This reminded of a thought experiment to show a few quirks of the universe. > > >As a wave, the photon has wavelength and frequency. But at a frequency of > > >zero, the wavelength becomes infinite whereas the universe is finite. What > > >is more, this wave of infinite wavelength has to travel with the speed of > > >light but "where" can it go? > > > > > >Jan > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: your connection to like-minds and kindred spirits. > > ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 1999 Report Share Posted July 11, 1999 > > Perhaps the problem lies in the assumption of the existence of > > photons with > > zero frequency, ie., zero energy. > > > > Sam. > >A wave with a frequency of 10^¯²º Hz still doesn't "fit" in the universe. Maybe or maybe not? As I do not know the "volume" of the universe. Maybe you can give me an idea.) >Per photon the energy may be low, with many photons the energy can be high >(wave with high amplitude). We are talking about the frequency of light to be zero. Again, if it is zero, then everything is "still" and there is no vibration and therefore there is no light. As Lau Tze said, "everything returns to "void". I can see that you can have light with extremely low energy, ie., extremely low frequency, but never zero frequency. Also mathematically, you can add up as many zero's as you wish, but the result will still be zero. >Apparently, the universe was designed with the >risk of standing waves in mind and that's another "explanation" why the sky >is black >Jan Thank you for your enlightenment on the complexity of the "design of the universe", as I used to think that the sky is black because no light reaches me in that direction where I look. )) Namaste, Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 1999 Report Share Posted July 12, 1999 > "Ah Sam" <ah__sam > > > > Perhaps the problem lies in the assumption of the existence of > > > photons with > > > zero frequency, ie., zero energy. > > > > > > Sam. > > > > >A wave with a frequency of 10^¯²º Hz still doesn't "fit" in the universe. > > Maybe or maybe not? As I do not know the "volume" of the > universe. Maybe > you can give me an idea.) <big snip> Since the big bang, the universe has been expanding. But it can't expand faster than the speed of light, so the radius of the universe is in the order of: speed of light * age. There is no reason to assume that the "first flash" did not travel with the speed of light in all directions. So once the "big crunch" is starting to occur, the night sky has to brighten up. Consider what that will do to poetry Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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