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On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:17:43 -0700 Tim Gerchmez <fewtch

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> Tim Gerchmez <fewtch

>

> At 04:06 PM 7/9/99 -0400, you wrote:

> >Bruce Morgen <editor

>

> >Actually, microwaves are

> >lower in frequency (longer

> >in wavelength) that the

> >light and near-light

> >portions of the spectrum.

> >They're called "micro"

> >because their wavelengths

> >are miniscule compared to

> >the radio portion of the

> >spectrum.

>

> Actually, you're wrong about this. Microwaves are above the

> Ultra-High-Frequency (UHF) radio spectrum, they are extremely high

> in frequency.

 

Yup, but still longer in

*wavelength* that IR, visible

light, or UV!

 

You've created a disagreement

where there is none. Read

what I wrote again and keep

the ideas of frequency and

wavelength, which are in

inverse relationship, clear

in your head.

> Don't take my word for it, look it up. I've been

> interested in radio for years.

 

I will refrain from comment.

> The shorter the wavelength, the higher the

> frequency.

 

Exactly.

> Since microwaves, as you say, have a "miniscule" wavelength, the

> frequency is extremely high, far above that of visible light.

 

Correct, now where was

I "wrong?"

> The longer the

> wavelength, the LOWER the frequency. The shorter the wavelength,

> the HIGHER the frequency.

>

Correct, now where was

I "wrong?"

 

Much love -- Bruce

 

 

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> Tim Gerchmez <fewtch

> >Bruce Morgen <editor

>

> >Actually, microwaves are

> >lower in frequency (longer

> >in wavelength) that the

> >light and near-light

> >portions of the spectrum.

> >They're called "micro"

> >because their wavelengths

> >are miniscule compared to

> >the radio portion of the

> >spectrum.

>

> Actually, you're wrong about this. Microwaves are above the

> Ultra-High-Frequency (UHF) radio spectrum, they are extremely high in

> frequency. Don't take my word for it, look it up. I've been interested in

> radio for years. The shorter the wavelength, the higher the frequency.

> Since microwaves, as you say, have a "miniscule" wavelength, the frequency

> is extremely high, far above that of visible light. The longer the

> wavelength, the LOWER the frequency. The shorter the wavelength, the

> HIGHER the frequency.

 

The length of the wave also reflects it's properties on how it will

touch the flesh in the spectrum it may be affected by light. Infrared

and longer wave, (lower frequencies) will burn the flesh on the surface

before heating the center of it, like in a normal oven, where you can

see the lower limit in the red color of the eating element. (heat comes

here by the friction's of electron (very rapid in the form kwon as

electricity) in the dense atomic element of carbon and metal the heating

element of the oven is, called a high resistance to electricity

material) Micro wave being shorter in wave length than the light we

see, affects our flesh by vibrations on atomic level out to the

structure of the flesh. Thus the skin cooks after the inside, from an

exposition to it. They are so many other waves around us, still

invisible to the flesh, some probably much more longer than the

gravitational field and others much more shorter than any gamma rays.

 

A consciousness may just exist that touches all those rays of the

spectrum of creation. A nice sun it must be. Some physicist will call it

the unique photon, to give it a name. A breathing living entity called

the universe of which we are the leafs like on a tree. Or is it all a

product of our imagination, or more specifically the imagination tied to

our sensory system? or is our sensory system a form of imagination in

itself?

 

Sharing, and wondering,

 

Antoine

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>"jb" <kvy9

>[...]

>

>This reminded of a thought experiment to show a few quirks of the universe.

>As a wave, the photon has wavelength and frequency. But at a frequency of

>zero, the wavelength becomes infinite whereas the universe is finite. What

>is more, this wave of infinite wavelength has to travel with the speed of

>light but "where" can it go?

>

>Jan

 

Hi Jan,

 

Perhaps the problem lies in the assumption of the existence of photons with

zero frequency, ie., zero energy.

 

Sam.

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> Antoine <carrea

[...]

> A consciousness may just exist that touches all those rays of the

> spectrum of creation. A nice sun it must be. Some physicist will call it

> the unique photon, to give it a name. A breathing living entity called

> the universe of which we are the leafs like on a tree. Or is it all a

> product of our imagination, or more specifically the imagination tied to

> our sensory system? or is our sensory system a form of imagination in

> itself?

>

> Sharing, and wondering,

>

> Antoine

 

This reminded of a thought experiment to show a few quirks of the universe.

As a wave, the photon has wavelength and frequency. But at a frequency of

zero, the wavelength becomes infinite whereas the universe is finite. What

is more, this wave of infinite wavelength has to travel with the speed of

light but "where" can it go?

 

Jan

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I love this thought-experiment, although knowing little of physics.

It reminds me of something I read in one of those

science and religion books...

This book suggested that a "wavelength of zero" must occur for each

wave for infintesimal moments of time --

as there is a pause

at the fulcrum point

where the wave changes from a positive direction to the inverse direction.

 

If consciousness is considered as a wave function,

there are mini-instants constantly when infinity is accessible.

 

Such points could be where all waves are interconnected at infinity.

I know that recent physics theory suggests such an interconnection

of phenomena. All of the information that is the universe, functioning

moment to moment in totaly synchronicity...

 

Peace, Dan

 

 

>

>This reminded of a thought experiment to show a few quirks of the universe.

>As a wave, the photon has wavelength and frequency. But at a frequency of

>zero, the wavelength becomes infinite whereas the universe is finite. What

>is more, this wave of infinite wavelength has to travel with the speed of

>light but "where" can it go?

>

>Jan

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> "Ah Sam" <ah__sam

[...]

> Hi Jan,

>

> Perhaps the problem lies in the assumption of the existence of

> photons with

> zero frequency, ie., zero energy.

>

> Sam.

 

A wave with a frequency of 10^¯²º Hz still doesn't "fit" in the universe.

Per photon the energy may be low, with many photons the energy can be high

(wave with high amplitude). Apparently, the universe was designed with the

risk of standing waves in mind and that's another "explanation" why the sky

is black :)

 

Jan

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Hello Dan and Jan,

 

Just vocabulary in physics, as i use words to express myself on this

list in english.

 

"When a linear dimension becomes infinite, it should be considered to

have rotated 90 degrees, as an additional orthogonal dimension. "

 

This basic mathematical tool is applied in a variety of applications. In

a one dimension space the sign minus put in front of the numbers

(0,1,2,3...to infinity) (N) creates the set (-infinite,..., -3, -2, -1,

0, 1, 2, 3, ... infinity) (Z). The sign minus expressing this rotation

of "90" degrees for a linear world. Applying the same "rotation" on (Z)

you have the complex or imaginary numbers, and so own.

 

Touching the infinite is a source of Creation of dimensions if one

complies to our imaginary laws of math's. When touching zero seems to be

a point a Annihilation of those dimensions.

 

To take Jan words, according to the little language of physics i know, a

photon with a frequency of zero, would simply be the all the matter at

zero Kelvin (-273 C, - something F). I guess it can't go somewhere, it

absorbs infinity or the infinite dimensions.

 

Infinity and zero are tied in many ways in math's operations, where they

lead back one to the other, like a snake running after its tail, or the

tail running after the head. As for example a basic definition in math's

is that any real number divided by infinity = zero. And any real number

divided by zero = infinity. But what does give: zero multiplied by

infinity ?

 

On mind games,

 

Antoine

 

 

Dan Berkow, PhD wrote:

>

> "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd

>

> I love this thought-experiment, although knowing little of physics.

> It reminds me of something I read in one of those

> science and religion books...

> This book suggested that a "wavelength of zero" must occur for each

> wave for infintesimal moments of time --

> as there is a pause

> at the fulcrum point

> where the wave changes from a positive direction to the inverse direction.

>

> If consciousness is considered as a wave function,

> there are mini-instants constantly when infinity is accessible.

>

> Such points could be where all waves are interconnected at infinity.

> I know that recent physics theory suggests such an interconnection

> of phenomena. All of the information that is the universe, functioning

> moment to moment in totaly synchronicity...

>

> Peace, Dan

>

> >

> >This reminded of a thought experiment to show a few quirks of the universe.

> >As a wave, the photon has wavelength and frequency. But at a frequency of

> >zero, the wavelength becomes infinite whereas the universe is finite. What

> >is more, this wave of infinite wavelength has to travel with the speed of

> >light but "where" can it go?

> >

> >Jan

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> A wave with a frequency of 10^¯²º Hz still doesn't "fit" in the universe.

> Per photon the energy may be low, with many photons the energy can be high

> (wave with high amplitude). Apparently, the universe was designed with the

> risk of standing waves in mind and that's another "explanation" why the sky

> is black :)

>

> Jan

 

No it's white when i lie down floating on the waters of my lake at

nights, the black comes to vanish away in the milk of stars. :)

 

Antoine

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0 = 'no' thing = 'non' existence.

1 = 'all' things = existence = 1 infinity, eternity (whatever) and all contained

in infinity, eternity (whatever) including 'you'.

 

0 x 1 = 0 and 1.

 

Why not -1? Define negative eternity? 0?...? I thought so too.... ;o)

 

Gentle Peace.

 

Tim Harris

 

Antoine wrote:

> Antoine <carrea

>

> Hello Dan and Jan,

>

> Just vocabulary in physics, as i use words to express myself on this

> list in english.

>

> "When a linear dimension becomes infinite, it should be considered to

> have rotated 90 degrees, as an additional orthogonal dimension. "

>

> This basic mathematical tool is applied in a variety of applications. In

> a one dimension space the sign minus put in front of the numbers

> (0,1,2,3...to infinity) (N) creates the set (-infinite,..., -3, -2, -1,

> 0, 1, 2, 3, ... infinity) (Z). The sign minus expressing this rotation

> of "90" degrees for a linear world. Applying the same "rotation" on (Z)

> you have the complex or imaginary numbers, and so own.

>

> Touching the infinite is a source of Creation of dimensions if one

> complies to our imaginary laws of math's. When touching zero seems to be

> a point a Annihilation of those dimensions.

>

> To take Jan words, according to the little language of physics i know, a

> photon with a frequency of zero, would simply be the all the matter at

> zero Kelvin (-273 C, - something F). I guess it can't go somewhere, it

> absorbs infinity or the infinite dimensions.

>

> Infinity and zero are tied in many ways in math's operations, where they

> lead back one to the other, like a snake running after its tail, or the

> tail running after the head. As for example a basic definition in math's

> is that any real number divided by infinity = zero. And any real number

> divided by zero = infinity. But what does give: zero multiplied by

> infinity ?

>

> On mind games,

>

> Antoine

>

> Dan Berkow, PhD wrote:

> >

> > "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd

> >

> > I love this thought-experiment, although knowing little of physics.

> > It reminds me of something I read in one of those

> > science and religion books...

> > This book suggested that a "wavelength of zero" must occur for each

> > wave for infintesimal moments of time --

> > as there is a pause

> > at the fulcrum point

> > where the wave changes from a positive direction to the inverse direction.

> >

> > If consciousness is considered as a wave function,

> > there are mini-instants constantly when infinity is accessible.

> >

> > Such points could be where all waves are interconnected at infinity.

> > I know that recent physics theory suggests such an interconnection

> > of phenomena. All of the information that is the universe, functioning

> > moment to moment in totaly synchronicity...

> >

> > Peace, Dan

> >

> > >

> > >This reminded of a thought experiment to show a few quirks of the universe.

> > >As a wave, the photon has wavelength and frequency. But at a frequency of

> > >zero, the wavelength becomes infinite whereas the universe is finite. What

> > >is more, this wave of infinite wavelength has to travel with the speed of

> > >light but "where" can it go?

> > >

> > >Jan

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> > Perhaps the problem lies in the assumption of the existence of

> > photons with

> > zero frequency, ie., zero energy.

> >

> > Sam.

>

>A wave with a frequency of 10^¯²º Hz still doesn't "fit" in the universe.

 

Maybe or maybe not? As I do not know the "volume" of the universe. Maybe

you can give me an idea.:))

>Per photon the energy may be low, with many photons the energy can be high

>(wave with high amplitude).

 

We are talking about the frequency of light to be zero. Again, if it is

zero, then everything is "still" and there is no vibration and therefore

there is no light. As Lau Tze said, "everything returns to "void". I can

see that you can have light with extremely low energy, ie., extremely low

frequency, but never zero frequency. Also mathematically, you can add up as

many zero's as you wish, but the result will still be zero.

>Apparently, the universe was designed with the

>risk of standing waves in mind and that's another "explanation" why the sky

>is black :)

>Jan

 

Thank you for your enlightenment on the complexity of the "design of the

universe", as I used to think that the sky is black because no light reaches

me in that direction where I look. :)))

 

Namaste,

 

Sam.

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> "Ah Sam" <ah__sam

>

> > > Perhaps the problem lies in the assumption of the existence of

> > > photons with

> > > zero frequency, ie., zero energy.

> > >

> > > Sam.

> >

>

> >A wave with a frequency of 10^¯²º Hz still doesn't "fit" in the universe.

>

> Maybe or maybe not? As I do not know the "volume" of the

> universe. Maybe

> you can give me an idea.:))

<big snip>

 

Since the big bang, the universe has been expanding. But it can't expand

faster than the speed of light, so the radius of the universe is in the

order of: speed of light * age. There is no reason to assume that the "first

flash" did not travel with the speed of light in all directions. So once the

"big crunch" is starting to occur, the night sky has to brighten up.

Consider what that will do to poetry :)

 

Jan

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