Re:

[Guest guest]

Vivekananda Centre wrote:

> At the moment the conceptual leap

> that is required to understand quantum ideas is missing - it will come in

> due course but I suspect it will come via the teachings of Samkhya

> philosophy.

 

Since the split between science and spirit is dissolving and will not be able

to be maintained; it's interesting to wonder what our education system will

look like when the wall inevitably comes down over the next couple of

generations or so.

[Guest guest]

> "Vivekananda Centre" <vivekananda

>

> Wrote 'david'

>

> > Since it's well after the photon has passed through the slits

> > that the film

> > is put up or left down, the physicist chooses the legitimate past

> > for the photon

> > (one path or both paths)

> >

> > The effect has become the cause.

>

> wrote 'jb'

>

> But that is the wrong assumption - there is no way acknowledgeing whether

> or not a single photon has passed through the slits without

> influencing it.

> Only prediction is possible, based on generating photons and the speed of

> light. This however, debunks that the past can be determined.

>

> -------------------------

>

> Comments :

>

> Not really the past is not debunked - what is debunked is how do

> we see the

> universe and to what extent our seeing effects what can be called the

> objective universe.

> This wave/particle duality ideas are the basis of quantum mechanics. These

> concepts do not have parallals in Greek philosophy - which had

> provided the

> conceptual basis to Physics until now. At the moment the conceptual leap

> that is required to understand quantum ideas is missing - it will come in

> due course but I suspect it will come via the teachings of Samkhya

> philosophy.

>

> jay

 

That is why I devised the experiment with the CCD. It isn't philosophy but

quantitative measurement; the energy of the photons either collects in the

spots where photons behave like particles or on the entire CCD when the

photons show a wavelike nature. The collected energy has to be the same for

both cases

 

Jan

[Guest guest]

David Bozzi wrote:

> Vivekananda Centre wrote:

> > At the moment the conceptual leap

> > that is required to understand quantum ideas is missing - it will come in

> > due course but I suspect it will come via the teachings of Samkhya

> > philosophy.

>

> Since the split between science and spirit is dissolving and will not be able

> to be maintained; it's interesting to wonder what our education system will

> look like when the wall inevitably comes down over the next couple of

> generations or so.

 

Who will educate who ?

 

So much to learn from childrens,

 

Antoine

[Guest guest]

.> A few weeks ago >we met up in Chicago to see Shri Anandi

Ma. I got shaktipat >initiation from her; she told me it would

help steady my kundalini >experiences. It was an incredible,

beautiful experience, producing >lots of rapid growth and

change. And Dirk and I got to swim in Lake >Michigan, to boot.

What fun. So that is my story. I am lucky to >have met Dirk, he

is a great friend. >The retreat went very well. The

pictures are on the >files. You would have

absolutely loved it Jill! >I am going to look at those

pictures. I am jealous now, that I >didnt get to go this year.

Ah, maybe next time. Love, Jill

Hello Jill and Everyone:

I too am a bit jealous about missing the retreat especially after

seeing those pictures...you all look so sincere and peaceful.Thank

you for sharing them with us. Next summer I will not be so

accomodating to out of town visitors and will hopefully make it to

the next retreat

Jill I'm glad you received Shakti Pat especially from somone as loving

as Ma....it would be wonderful for you if the kundalini energy would

be smoother for you. I attended a Guru Purinma celebration that was

wonderful....on Saturday evening we chanted with Swami

Chidvilasananda in total darkness and one could see the universal

energies that are her, surround her and are us all....finally, a knot

that has been in my heart for quite a while came broke free and the

lingering resentments that I have felt towards my changed living

conditions are gone...I could not have asked for anything more. So

for many these eclipses have represented times of breakthroughs as

well as challenges.

On a more mundane note....Jill, I have a very sweet and spoiled cat

named Shanti. Now my son who is finally escaping from Florida has

had to drop off his dog to stay with us while he gets himself moved

and settled downstate. Problem....I have not seen the cat out and

about since the dog (big huge dog) got here...it's been two

days....any way to move this forward or is it best to let it be?

Thanks.

Love,

Linda

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Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

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In a message dated 3/8/01 12:11:52 AM Mountain Standard Time,

wlapiers writes:

 

<< .just sit with your peace while the world comes crashing down around you

and see how peaceful you really are!.....ever been in an earth quake? a

flood? any disaster? >>

 

Yes. Some of us particularly stubborn folks had to be knocked around by

several catastrophes before we started to wake up (I mean me, of course!).

Your passion is wonderful, Walt, and you are right to observe that

complacency generates little of value and is often dull. But there is also a

quiet, vibrant joy that comes from loving Life in Its entirety, the peace

that surpasseth all understanding. It sounds insane, but one really can sing

joy to the world in the middle of disaster. In fact, I'll bet acting from

this "place" is the best possible service to Life. Holly

[Guest guest]

--

 

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:16:36

wlapiers wrote:

>So what does a man consider enlightened? To face his fears and not be afraid?

I hear alot from....but from what I hear, I hear spoiled children...that never

go hungry or without....those that have nothing better to do than think of what

they think ! Is that not spoiled as spoiled can be...I hear no pain...I hear no

suffering...only what "I" feel or "I see "or "I think"....is this

enlightenment?

are we all just a bunch of kids getting our "Way"?... at what cost ? this so

called civilized society gains what at what expense? I hear alot of repetition

of words & sayings that bring their own meaning to each individual...is that

what life is? To make our own meaning & witness unto ourselves the value of

everything?"

 

Hey

 

you gotta start somewhere you know

best place of somewhere is with yourself

 

enlightenment is oftentimes spurred by suffering, others' or one's own

 

maybe a break from material suffering is needed to be able to center properly on

spiritual suffering

like the Greeks who philosophized while the slaves were working in the garden

so maybe being born in a wealthy western country has some good points to it

 

"Lets all just sit and sing "joy to the world" .....maybe I'm being narcisstic

or however you put it.....but the world is getting very tired of man's bullshit

& his own look on things....when we will all wake up and see the beauty & truth

of it all....or is there any real beauty or truth to it....Hey...im not trying

to rock the boat...but its being rocked whether you like it or not....just sit

with your peace while the world comes crashing down around you and see how

peaceful you really are!.....ever been in an earth quake? a flood? any disaster?

.....think what you like...have you ever gone hungry? Have you ever endured

death, not your own? have you seen little children suffer for no cause of their

own? We are such a proud enlightened bunch....it makes me sick at times to call

myself a part of it....but I Am...and as long as I Am I will speak my

way.....sorry if i offend or bring up things that aren't so damn nice.....Bless

you all....but will any us know the true Blessings when there given to us?

Peace my Friends, Walt"

 

the way i see it, gotta start on your own surroundings

stay ahimsa with family and friends and colleagues

can be difficult enough

then handle the big issues

life consistst of many issues on a small scale

 

enlightenment isn't the same as complacency

at some point it can very well bring more suffering to the individual because

the state of affairs on a large scale seem very wrong

 

but inside enlightenment there is no question of acting when the time is right,

like for example now

even when the center is empty, the hands are busy, always working.

 

thanks for the rock, though.

 

 

Love,

 

Amanda.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Holly,

Yes, some of us do have to get knocked around quite a bit before we

begin to get it. I also agree that loving life no matter what it

brings and acting from this "place" is the best possible service to

Life. However, I understand where Walter is coming from as sometimes

it seems that many speak of lofty ideals and lofty states of mind but

it is just another mask to cover pain. All too often the

"detachment" moves into a detachment from compassion, the theories of

karma and "who is it that is really suffering" provide a ready excuse

for not offering any assistance to others at all. There is a big

difference between action that looks easy coming from the peace of

compassionate enlightenment and the non-action that comes from the

self absorbed ego of the posturing enlightened.

Linda

>Yes. Some of us particularly stubborn folks had to be knocked around

by >several catastrophes before we started to wake up (I mean me, of

>course!). >Your passion is wonderful, Walt, and you are right to

observe that >complacency generates little of value and is often

dull. But there is >also a>quiet, vibrant joy that comes from loving

Life in Its entirety, the peace >that surpasseth all understanding.

It sounds insane, but one really can >sing>joy to the world in the

middle of disaster. In fact, I'll bet acting >from>this "place" is

the best possible service to Life.

Holly/joinAll paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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Hi Michael,

Thank you for sharing the Tolstoy story. A woman that did her yoga

teachers training with me is an avid meditator and yoga practitioner.

During her 5 or 6 hours of sadhana each day she will have incredible

visions and moments of intense crying and profound love. Every year

she travels to India and looks to buy land to teach yoga to poor

Indian woman. One year she and a friend spent three weeks at an

ashram in the northeast of America. After driving home to Atlanta

her friend had to travel farther south to her home in Florida and

while traveling her car was hit at a traffic light and totaled in the

downtown area of Atlanta. Naturally, she called her friend who is a

resident of Atlanta. The friend drops her off at the office of a

lawyer who will arrange for her to get a rental car and tells her I

have to get back to my home to do my own sadhana and just leaves her

there. It isn't until the woman gets back to Florida that she

realizes that not only was her car totaled but that serious injury

was done to her back and neck. However, I do not know if the physical

injuries can even compare to the hurt she felt at her friend's

"detachment".

Yes, the woman in the car accident got the opportunity to face fears

within herself, yes, she rose above the pain and, yes, she realizes

that nothing really can hurt the true self. I just wonder if she

could not have grown through the experience of love coming from a

teacher of spirituality?

Linda

>Hello Linda,

>thanks for your lucid words which have struck some chord within >me.

I don't think the Lord Buddha, or the Lord Jesus, or any of >the

great ones, ever encouraged their disciples to speak much of >their

spiritual attainments, or states of enlightenment. Rather, >they

stressed the importance of the practical virtues, plus >meditation or

prayer.

>Tolstoy wrote this story about a Russian countess who went to see >a

tragic opera in a Moscow theater. The play on the stage seemed >to

move her deeply, and repeatedly during the performance she was >heard

sobbing. When she left the theater the whole set of her silk

>handkerchiefs was soaked with tears. Coming out into the street,

>the countess looked for her coachman; she found him, slumped down,

>on the seat of the coach. After giving him a sharp upbraiding for

>sleeping in her presence, she had another servant open the door >for

her when suddenly with a thud the coachman fell from his >seat onto

the snow-covered sidewalk. While waiting in the icy >winter night for

the end of the tragic opera, he had frozen to >death.

>Michael

[Guest guest]

Hey Lobster ..

 

These are the criteria

which one can use to identify

one's ego

and its

abuse of the Self

 

 

 

At 11:07 AM 25/04/01, you wrote:

>============

>

>Dear Friends,

>I posted this to Jerrys non-duality list

>and am repeating it here

>because I feel it has something for us also.

>Hope you find some value . . .

>

>Lobster

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>eXXo-

>

>

>============

>

>

>What is Spiritual Abuse?

> Uzma Mazhar

>

> Johnson & VanVonderen use following 7 criteria to

>identifying the abusive system. These criteria can be used

> in a wide range of systems, from families and groups to

>organizations, to see if they are abusive

>

> Power-Posturing

> Performance Preoccupation

> Unspoken Rules

> Lack of Balance

> Paranoia

> Misplaced Loyalty

> Secretive

>

> Spiritual (religious) abuse occurs when a leader uses his

>or her spiritual (religious) position to control or

> dominate another person.

>

> Spiritual abuse occurs when shame is used in an attempt

>to get someone to support a belief, or.to fend off

> legitimate questions.

>

> When your words and actions tear down another, or attack

>or weaken a person's standing to gratify you, your

> position or your beliefs, while at the same time

>weakening or harming another - that is spiritual abuse.

>

> Power-posturing simply means that leaders spend a lot of

>time focused on their own authority and reminding others of it,

> as well. This is necessary because their spiritual

>authority isn't real-based on genuine godly character-it is postured.

> Those who are in positions of true leadership demonstrate

>authority, spiritual power, and credibility by their lives and

> message.

>

> There are spiritual systems in which the members are

>there to meet the needs of the leader. These leaders

> attempt to find fulfillment through the religious

>performance of the very people whom they are there to serve and

> build. It is spiritual abuse.

>

> If obedience and service is flowing out of you as a

>result of your dependence on God alone, you won't keep

> track of it with an eye toward reward, you'll just do

>it. But if you're preoccupied with whether you've done

> enough to please God, then you're not looking at Him,

>you're looking at your own works. And you're also

> concerned about who else might be looking at you,

>evaluating you. Why would anyone keep track of their

> 'godly' behavior unless they were trying to earn

>spiritual points because of it?

>

> It is dishonest - even dangerous - simply to receive and

>act upon a spiritual directive because you are

> 'supposed to be submissive', or because someone is 'in

>authority'. In the end, God is the One before whom we

> must all stand, the one to whom we must answer.

>

> Some of the unspoken rules that leaders use to exercise

>control are:

> Do not disagree with the authorities or your loyalty will

>be suspect.

> It is better to be nice than honest.

> If you speak about the problem out loud, you are the

>problem.

>

> The truth is, when people talk about problems out loud,

>they don't cause them, they simply expose them. Rules

> like this remain unspoken, because examining them in the

>light of mature dialogue would instantly reveal how

> illogical, unhealthy and unethical they are. So silence

>becomes the fortress wall of protection, shielding the

> leader's power position from scrutiny or challenge. The

>real problem, however, is that if a person who feels

> violated stops talking, then the perpetrator will never

>be held accountable for his behavior.

>

> A characteristic of spiritually abusive systems is that a

>misplaced sense of loyalty is fostered and even

> demanded. We're not talking about loyalty to God, but

>about loyalty to a given organization or leader.

>

> A common way this is accomplished is by setting up a

>system where disloyalty to or disagreement with the

> leadership is construed as the same thing as disobeying

>God. Questioning leaders is equal to questioning

> God. After all, the leader is the authority, and

>authority is always right. This causes people to misplace their

> loyalty in a leader or an organization.

>

> There are three factors that come into play here, adding

>up to misplaced loyalty.

>

> First, leadership projects a 'we alone are right'

>mentality, which permeates the system. Members must remain

> in the system if they want to be 'safe,' or to stay 'on

>good terms' with God, or not to be viewed as wrong or

> 'strayed.'

>

> The second factor that brings about misplaced loyalty is

>the use of 'scare tactics.' For example conveying the

> impression that:

> God is going to withdraw His Spirit from you and your

>family.

> God will destroy your business.

> Without our protection, Satan will get your children.

> You and your family will come under a curse.

>

> The third method of calling forth misplaced loyalty is

>the threat of humiliation. This is done by publicly shaming,

> exposing, or threatening to remove people from the group.

>

> In the abusive system, it is the fear of being exposed,

>humiliated or removed that insures your proper allegiance,

> and insulates those in authority. You can be 'exposed'

>for asking too many questions, for disobeying the

> unspoken rules, or for disagreeing with authority. People

>are made public examples in order to send a message

> to those who remain.

>

> When you see people in a religious system being secretive

>-watch out. People don't hide what is appropriate;

> they hide what is inappropriate.

>

> One reason spiritually abusive families and mosques are

>secretive is because they are so image conscious.

> People in these systems can't even live up to their own

>performance standards, so they have to hide what is

> real. Some believe they must do this in order to protect

>God's good name. So how things look and what others

> think becomes more important than what's real. They

>become God's 'public relations agents.' The truth is,

> He's not hiring anyone for this position!

>

>

>

>/join

>

>All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

>perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

>subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

>different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

>nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

>It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

>Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

>Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome

>all to a.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mike,

 

Thanks for your warm welcome and your brief description of the ocean.

I got the idea of it.

I am wondering what god is to you. What is the water in the ocean

independent of any waves=any creation, then?

Does the unknown, god, have a physical body?

 

 

Do you think that "there is god in every creation"?

 

Every existence is part of the universe, and at the same time every

existence contains the essences of the origin of the universe. Then,

every existence including each human body is a microcosm of the universal.

 

What are we and the rest of the physical universe made of?

Every bit of matter in the universe more complex than hydrogen gas must

be manufactured in a star. That means everything in the universe is

either a star or something that came from a star or stars that exploded

their matter out into space. Therefore everything else- the moon, the

planets, the earth and everything on the earth are made up of star "stuff".

Before we were people, we were pre-human animals, before we were

pre-human animals, we were the earth, before we were the earth, we were

stardust, before we were stardust we were stars and before we were stars

we were the beginning of the universe.

 

And the question is how seeming nothingness, non matter, turned into

matter some 15 billion years ago?

At least what we can learn according to modern science and medicine is

that the same kind of transformations as in the beginning of the birth

of the universe have taken place in our bodies all the time.

 

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Kayo

[Guest guest]

Hello Mike and Kayo,

 

I share your views on the ocean and waves.

And, I feel that something more can be said - which is that the

ocean and waves are both water.

 

In this light the ocean and the wave can be said to be qualities

of water. Water is 'The Whole' and its manifestation has the qualities

of the Stillness of the ocean and/or the movement of waves.

 

And, neither the ocean nor the wave can be said to be 'part' of

the whole - each is 'The Whole'- water.

 

In the same spirit there is 'Now' which is the Whole, and

qualities of 'Now' include: time-ocean-stillness and

past/future-wave-movement, periods of stillness and beginning/end...

 

This understanding reveals that there never was a beginning and

that there can be no end - it is All Now - just like water.

 

Openness is seeing the paradox.

Paradox is resolved (dissloves) in Openness, Love.

 

Love,

James

 

 

 

, kayo <kayotao@e...> wrote:

> Dear Mike,

>

> Thanks for your warm welcome and your brief description of the

ocean.

> I got the idea of it.

> I am wondering what god is to you. What is the water in the ocean

> independent of any waves=any creation, then?

> Does the unknown, god, have a physical body?

>

>

> Do you think that "there is god in every creation"?

>

> Every existence is part of the universe, and at the same time every

> existence contains the essences of the origin of the universe.

Then,

> every existence including each human body is a microcosm of the

universal.

>

> What are we and the rest of the physical universe made of?

> Every bit of matter in the universe more complex than hydrogen gas

must

> be manufactured in a star. That means everything in the universe is

> either a star or something that came from a star or stars that

exploded

> their matter out into space. Therefore everything else- the moon,

the

> planets, the earth and everything on the earth are made up of star

"stuff".

> Before we were people, we were pre-human animals, before we were

> pre-human animals, we were the earth, before we were the earth, we

were

> stardust, before we were stardust we were stars and before we were

stars

> we were the beginning of the universe.

>

> And the question is how seeming nothingness, non matter, turned

into

> matter some 15 billion years ago?

> At least what we can learn according to modern science and medicine

is

> that the same kind of transformations as in the beginning of the

birth

> of the universe have taken place in our bodies all the time.

>

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Kayo

[Guest guest]

Hi James,

Thank you for your response.

That is beautifully said.

Kayo

Hello Mike and Kayo,

I share your views on the ocean and waves.

And, I feel that something more can be said - which is that the

ocean and waves are both water.

In this light the ocean and the wave can be said to be qualities

of water. Water is 'The Whole' and its manifestation has the qualities

of the Stillness of the ocean and/or the movement of waves.

And, neither the ocean nor the wave can be said to be 'part' of

the whole - each is 'The Whole'- water.

In the same spirit there is 'Now' which is the Whole, and

qualities of 'Now' include: time-ocean-stillness and

past/future-wave-movement, periods of stillness and beginning/end...

This understanding reveals that there never was a beginning and

that there can be no end - it is All Now - just like water.

Openness is seeing the paradox.

Paradox is resolved (dissloves) in Openness, Love.

Love,

James

, kayo <kayotao@e...> wrote:

> Dear Mike,

>

> Thanks for your warm welcome and your brief description of the

ocean.

> I got the idea of it.

> I am wondering what god is to you. What is the water in the ocean

> independent of any waves=any creation, then?

> Does the unknown, god, have a physical body?

>

>

> Do you think that "there is god in every creation"?

>

> Every existence is part of the universe, and at the same time every

> existence contains the essences of the origin of the universe.

Then,

> every existence including each human body is a microcosm of the

universal.

>

> What are we and the rest of the physical universe made of?

> Every bit of matter in the universe more complex than hydrogen gas

must

> be manufactured in a star. That means everything in the universe is

> either a star or something that came from a star or stars that

exploded

> their matter out into space. Therefore everything else- the moon,

the

> planets, the earth and everything on the earth are made up of star

"stuff".

> Before we were people, we were pre-human animals, before we were

> pre-human animals, we were the earth, before we were the earth, we

were

> stardust, before we were stardust we were stars and before we were

stars

> we were the beginning of the universe.

>

> And the question is how seeming nothingness, non matter, turned

into

> matter some 15 billion years ago?

> At least what we can learn according to modern science and medicine

is

> that the same kind of transformations as in the beginning of the

birth

> of the universe have taken place in our bodies all the time.

>

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Kayo

/join

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into

the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean,

all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness

does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the

Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true

devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from

within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

I wrote a poem awhile ago (well, I typed it as I heard it anyway...)

It's short, but I like it anyway. It goes like this:

 

Does the wave fear the water from which it rises?

Then, why fear love?

 

 

Love, Mark

 

 

, "nisarga111" <nisarga@c...> wrote:

>

> Hello Mike and Kayo,

>

> I share your views on the ocean and waves.

> And, I feel that something more can be said - which is that the

> ocean and waves are both water.

>

> In this light the ocean and the wave can be said to be qualities

> of water. Water is 'The Whole' and its manifestation has the

qualities

> of the Stillness of the ocean and/or the movement of waves.

>

> And, neither the ocean nor the wave can be said to be 'part' of

> the whole - each is 'The Whole'- water.

>

> In the same spirit there is 'Now' which is the Whole, and

> qualities of 'Now' include: time-ocean-stillness and

> past/future-wave-movement, periods of stillness and beginning/end...

>

> This understanding reveals that there never was a beginning and

> that there can be no end - it is All Now - just like water.

>

> Openness is seeing the paradox.

> Paradox is resolved (dissloves) in Openness, Love.

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> Love,

> James

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> , kayo <kayotao@e...> wrote:

> > Dear Mike,

> >

> > Thanks for your warm welcome and your brief description of the

> ocean.

> > I got the idea of it.

> > I am wondering what god is to you. What is the water in the ocean

> > independent of any waves=any creation, then?

> > Does the unknown, god, have a physical body?

> >

> >

> > Do you think that "there is god in every creation"?

> >

> > Every existence is part of the universe, and at the same time

every

> > existence contains the essences of the origin of the universe.

> Then,

> > every existence including each human body is a microcosm of the

> universal.

> >

> > What are we and the rest of the physical universe made of?

> > Every bit of matter in the universe more complex than hydrogen gas

> must

> > be manufactured in a star. That means everything in the universe

is

> > either a star or something that came from a star or stars that

> exploded

> > their matter out into space. Therefore everything else- the moon,

> the

> > planets, the earth and everything on the earth are made up of star

> "stuff".

> > Before we were people, we were pre-human animals, before we were

> > pre-human animals, we were the earth, before we were the earth,

we

> were

> > stardust, before we were stardust we were stars and before we were

> stars

> > we were the beginning of the universe.

> >

> > And the question is how seeming nothingness, non matter, turned

> into

> > matter some 15 billion years ago?

> > At least what we can learn according to modern science and

medicine

> is

> > that the same kind of transformations as in the beginning of the

> birth

> > of the universe have taken place in our bodies all the time.

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Kayo

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Hello Al,

 

With your photos, try :

 

www.shuttercity.com

and

www.digitalphotocontest.com

and

www.vividlight.com

 

Greetings from France,

 

Jacques

 

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Thank you, Alan. I need that!!!

Splat!!!

xoxo,

Joyce

Look into the fire.

One spark, a swimming shark,

the next a gull above the sea.

Appearing everywhere, simultaneously,

like electricity running trough the wire.

I think, I do exist,

I can be seen building this house.

I know because the observer,

it is me.

/join

The Heart is

the Self. The Self is the Heart. Your use of is subject

to the

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Your photos, the images that are not your photos, and your words, are

beautiful... the colors of the clouds in some of the photos...it always

soothes me to open your posts.

 

With appreciation,

 

Joyce

 

The Heart is the Self. The Self is the Heart.

[Guest guest]

---Dear SIR HEM LOCK

Welcome to the site and your recent apposite posting{s}.No matter how many times

one may read and

scan Talks one can miss something important .This is an invaluable , and to me ,

fresh insight for

those using Mantra Japa as an aid in Sadhana , regards , Jason Cabal

 

PS . Are you in any way related to the famous Sri Lakh Holmes ?

 

: Is the practice of concentration between the eyebrows advisable?

>

> Maharshi: The final result of the practice of any kind of dhyana is that the

object, on which

> the sadhaka fixes his mind, ceases to exist as distinct and separate from the

subject. They (the

> subject and object) become the one Self, and that is the heart.

>

> The practice of concentration on the center between the eyebrows is one of the

methods of

> sadhana, and thereby thoughts are effectively controlled for the time being.

The reason is this:

> All thought is an extroverted activity of the mind; and thought, in the first

instance, follows

> "sight" - physical or mental.

>

> It should, however, be noted that this sadhana of fixing one's attention

between the eyebrows

> must be accompanied by japa. Because next in importance to the physical eye is

the physical ear,

> either for controlling or distracting the mind. Next in importance of the eye

of the mind (that

> is, mental visualization of the object) is the ear of the mind (that is,

mental articulation of

> speech), either to control and thereby strengthen the mind, or to distract and

thereby dissipate

> it.

>

> Therefore, while fixing the mind's eye on a center, as for instance between

the eyebrows, you

> should also practice the mental articulation of a nama (name) or mantra

(sacred syllable or

> syllables). Otherwise you will soon lose you hold on the object of

concentration.

>

> Sadhana, as described above leads to identification of the Name, Word, or Self

- whatever you

> may call it - with the center selected for purposes of dhyana. Pure

Consciousness, the Self, or

> the Heart is the final Realization.

>

> The Spiritual Teachings of Ramana Maharshi

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Sir Hem Lock??? )

 

Sir Alton (Sir Hem Lock) trust you are well?

 

Gabriele

 

-

Alan Jacobs

RamanaMaharshi

Monday, March 17, 2003 4:24 PM

Re: [RamanaMaharshi]

---Dear SIR HEM LOCK Welcome to the site and your recent apposite posting{s}.No

matter how many times one may read andscan Talks one can miss something

important .This is an invaluable , and to me , fresh insight forthose using

Mantra Japa as an aid in Sadhana , regards , Jason Cabal

[Guest guest]

Al,

Thank you for this one and all your other moments of clarity.,

Gloria

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Al Larus

(AT) (DOT) .com

Sunday, May 18, 2003 6:18 PM

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to the

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Dear Sir,

 

Thank you very much for the lovely photographs of swans!I always

see your heart warming photographs with joy.

 

May I know whether you have any photographs taken of lotuses (red

and white ) with rising sun falling on them. I want to take that

as the coverpage for my series of books on proverb linguistics

with the title

Suryakamalam (surya = sun ; kamalam =red lotus ) which is the name

of my sister.

 

I should be immensely thankful to you if you could help me in this

regard.

 

 

Yours sincerely,

Chilukuri Bhuvaneswar

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Dear SEER Al Larus,

 

I learnt more about God from these honey waves of intoxicating

delight than from the books.

 

I am immensely grateful to you for these pictures?

 

Where did you get them,please?

 

Since you got white lotuses,could you also get red

lotuses,please.Please try in the name of that Almighty God who is

seen in every aspect of His creation.

 

I do not know whether you have been to the Himalayas. If not

please go there in the flowery season and the rainy season.By your

pictures ,you will turn atheists into believers.

 

May I be permitted to use your photographs for my cover pages of

athe series SURYA (SUN ) KAMALAM (LOTUS)?

 

My heart is overwhelmed with joy to see your pictures.

 

satsang has done a great service to the members by your

pics!!!

 

May the love of Sri BALA SANKARA BE ON YOU!

 

Yours in Sri Samkara Bhagavat pujyapada's love,

 

Chilukuri Bhuvaneswar

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Subj:

7/16/2003 8:54:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time

harsha (AT) cox (DOT) net

Reply-to:

Advaitin (AT) (DOT) com

CC: (AT) (DOT) com

Sent from the Internet

>From Advaitin. Passing it on to HS.

"Now an interesting question is how a mere unrealized seeker such as

myself can know for sure whom to have faith in. How can I really

know?"

Om!

Benjamin

**********

Sri Ramana was asked a similar question. Something like, "How can I know who my Guru is".

"By intense meditation", replied the sage.

Love to all

Harsha

"By intensive background investigation..."

replied Zenbob

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The more deeply in you, the more it is "of you". Right?

So penetrating ever more deeply within one comes

ever more to the "foundation".

 

Ultimately there is a wordless sense of that within

which is nameless, timeless. One has gone within,

within until all forms are left behind. And the

unknown, the mystery is palpable, not a concept.

Like the still of the night, or the flooding light

of the moon.

 

Nisargadatta said the if one is earnest then it

doesn't matter the from of one's practice.

And if one is not earnest, it doesn't matter the

form of one's practice.

 

-Bill

 

 

harsha [harsha]

>From Advaitin. Passing it on to HS.

 

"Now an interesting question is how a mere unrealized seeker such as myself

can know for sure whom to have faith in. How can I really know?"

 

Om!

Benjamin

**********

 

Sri Ramana was asked a similar question. Something like, "How can I know who

my Guru is".

 

"By intense meditation", replied the sage.

 

Love to all

Harsha

[Guest guest]

Hey Bill,

 

 

Yes - the background of all doing is Being.

 

The journey *is* the destination.

 

 

Love and Gratitude,

James

 

 

 

 

, "Bill Rishel" <plexus@x> wrote:

> The more deeply in you, the more it is "of you". Right?

> So penetrating ever more deeply within one comes

> ever more to the "foundation".

>

> Ultimately there is a wordless sense of that within

> which is nameless, timeless. One has gone within,

> within until all forms are left behind. And the

> unknown, the mystery is palpable, not a concept.

> Like the still of the night, or the flooding light

> of the moon.

>

> Nisargadatta said the if one is earnest then it

> doesn't matter the from of one's practice.

> And if one is not earnest, it doesn't matter the

> form of one's practice.

>

> -Bill

>

>

> harsha@c... [harsha@c...]

>

> From Advaitin. Passing it on to HS.

>

> "Now an interesting question is how a mere unrealized seeker such as

myself

> can know for sure whom to have faith in. How can I really know?"

>

> Om!

> Benjamin

> **********

>

> Sri Ramana was asked a similar question. Something like, "How can I

know who

> my Guru is".

>

> "By intense meditation", replied the sage.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

[Guest guest]

>> The journey *is* the destination.

 

The *jouneying* then.

This poised moment,

when purpose is stripped

An isolated bubble of timelessness

where only the vibrance really matters

 

 

-Bill

 

 

 

james [nisarga]

Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:45 AM

Re:

 

 

 

 

Hey Bill,

 

 

Yes - the background of all doing is Being.

 

The journey *is* the destination.

 

 

Love and Gratitude,

James

 

 

 

 

, "Bill Rishel" <plexus@x> wrote:

> The more deeply in you, the more it is "of you". Right?

> So penetrating ever more deeply within one comes

> ever more to the "foundation".

>

> Ultimately there is a wordless sense of that within

> which is nameless, timeless. One has gone within,

> within until all forms are left behind. And the

> unknown, the mystery is palpable, not a concept.

> Like the still of the night, or the flooding light

> of the moon.

>

> Nisargadatta said the if one is earnest then it

> doesn't matter the from of one's practice.

> And if one is not earnest, it doesn't matter the

> form of one's practice.

>

> -Bill

>

>

> harsha@c... [harsha@c...]

>

> From Advaitin. Passing it on to HS.

>

> "Now an interesting question is how a mere unrealized seeker such as

myself

> can know for sure whom to have faith in. How can I really know?"

>

> Om!

> Benjamin

> **********

>

> Sri Ramana was asked a similar question. Something like, "How can I

know who

> my Guru is".

>

> "By intense meditation", replied the sage.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

 

 

 

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"Love itself is the actual form of God."

 

Sri Ramana

 

In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

 

Your use of is subject to