Guest guest Posted July 17, 1999 Report Share Posted July 17, 1999 >Message: 8 > Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:54:40 -0400 > Greg Goode <goode >Re: Physicisists' view of free will > >>I suspect the issue of free will arises more >>frequently in the Western mind than in the >>Occidental. > >You probabably meant "Oriental," no? Yes. "East is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet". However, Occident and Orient can easily be mixed up. ) >Message: 11 > Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:45:45 -0400 > "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd >Re: Soul enters body ? > >I wonder about the human urge to debate whether and how a "soul" >would "come in" to a body. Certainly the boundary between what is "my >soul" and what is not "my soul" is essentially the same boundary as what is >"me" and "not me" in this world. Yes, that is my view too. >If we resolve one, we resolve the other. >The important issue is understanding how this boundary operates and the >degree to which it is real or illusory. > >The life energies animate the body as they animate the cells. There is no >beginning or end to this energy. This energy includes "atoms" and "space" >as well as "cells." The process of life is what it >is. Yes, that is what hit me yesterday when trying to look at the "life force entering the embryo" question from a biological perspective. All spiritual theories aside (please bear with folks), the process of cell division and how it comes about is a deep mystery. Some parts of the process is well understood, but the real issue, what causes the process to be set in motion, is still down on the molecular / atomic level. It seems to be an inherent feature of atoms, when arranged in such and such organization, they will cause a rearrangement of energies and enable a new assembly of groups of themselves. Not being a Realizor nor a Confessor in the line of nonduality, merely a Speculator , I still think that the Brahman / All manifests itself as not just pure energy, not just atoms and not just E=MC2, but as pure potential, the potential of rearrangement of energy / matter, the Primal reason why there are atoms in the first place, the reason why there is such a principle as E=MC2. Even the food sheaths = physical bodies to all living beings are connected with the Primordial Cause. Early in embryonic development, the cells that are to become the food sheaths for the next generation, i.e. the sperm and ova, in the adult body, are prepared for such a purpose. Hence, there is an unbroken line of cells back to the very first living cell on this planet. No wonder trying to create a new food sheath out of regular cells, i.e. somatic cells, usually fails. And even in the case of Dolly the clone, there have been apparent problems. >Message: 13 > Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:28:48 -0400 > "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd >Re: Physicisists' view of free will > >If my past determines my being, I am not free. > >If I include my past in an unlimited present, I am free. > >If my awareness arises "nowherethis" >the question of will versus no-will is immediately seen as empty. )) Thank you Dan. Very much appreciated. You confirm my deeply held, yet seldomly voiced suspicions. >Message: 17 > Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:08:51 -0400 > David Bozzi <david.bozzi >Re: Soul enters body ? > >mumblecat wrote: > >> We all have small and very well hidden vestiges of >> the opposite gender's primary sex characteristics >> and these vestiges can sometimes become inflamed, >> cancerous or not entirely destroyed so as to cause >> physical problems later in life. > >Is this why some men watch soap-operas >and some women make a lot of money? > >David No, the soap opera watching is caused by an overdeveloped soap opera gland in the brain. It has long been known by neurobiologists that females have a large soap opera gland. The past two years, free drawings of the true picture of the brain in males and females have been circulating. The money making aspect is caused by an enlargement of the "Please buy me shiny things" ganglion in females. This is also explained in the new and revolutionary model of male and female brains. Nav wrote: >I am very amused at people in this Group List talking "gobbly gook"! WHAT >directions are we talking about???? Could someone PLEASE tell me what the >hell any of this means ????? Does even Harsha know?? I think Harsha knows as he's been directionless for a very long time. Read Jerry Katz's excellent FAQ on nondualism and things will be clearer. Jerry, what's the URL again ?? >It seems to me that >most of you in ths group enjoy talking around in circles!! More power to >you!!! ) I think there has been too much circling around lately too. I would like to contribute to some but maybe I will just be caught in the circles myself. >Have a most enjoyable day!!!! (now don't think too >much) You're right. Nothing comes up against experience. >Message: 24 > Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:06:37 EDT > INSprofess >Re: GOD > > >when i first joined the group i wanted some insights on the nature of reality >and meaning f life. Instead what I have gotten is a lot of mumbo jumbo from >people who love to read their own words on line. Oi, oi, oi. Don't count me in as I have been too busy trying to find god to be very active on the list. >Now granted you are all wise people, so i would appreciate your wisdom about >the almighty with me. Does God exist?? I used to think not, but I was wrong. It does. >And if so, have any of you found him?? It came to me more or less coincidentally. >HOW did you do it??? Can you share your secrets for the rest of us who can >only IMAGINE God?? Everyone must find god for herself. All the confessing from others in the world will not help, despite what missionaries believe. Even if someone tells you exavtly how to do it, it won't help because it won't be your true experience. You have to find the experience yourself. Asking yourself about God is the best place to start. Best regards, Amanda. 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Guest guest Posted July 17, 1999 Report Share Posted July 17, 1999 Nav wrote: > >I am very amused at people in this Group List talking "gobbly gook"! WHAT > >directions are we talking about???? Could someone PLEASE tell me what the > >hell any of this means ????? Does even Harsha know?? > Read Jerry Katz's excellent > FAQ on nondualism and things will > be clearer. Jerry, what's the URL again ?? > > >It seems to me that > >most of you in ths group enjoy talking around in circles!! More power to > >you!!! Thank you, Amanda. The URL is <http://www.nonduality.com/faq.htm> A person might find a graspable handle or two there. I'm always open to to additional comment with regard to the questions. The 'answers' are meant to serve as 'handles', and they are very much open to discussion. ---Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 1999 Report Share Posted July 18, 1999 "A. Erhart" wrote: > Yes, that is what hit me yesterday when trying to look > at the "life force entering the embryo" question > from a biological perspective. All spiritual theories > aside (please bear with folks), the process of cell > division and how it comes about is a deep mystery. > Some parts of the process is well understood, but > the real issue, what causes the process to be set in > motion, is still down on the molecular / atomic > level. It seems to be an inherent feature of atoms, > when arranged in such and such organization, they > will cause a rearrangement of energies and enable a > new assembly of groups of themselves. Maybe, maybe not. Thing is no one can find the 'answer' with regard to what we already know. As we look on the atomic level I suspect we won't find the answer there either. (though plenty of clues). Then we'll look on the sub-atomic level, and so on... Here's a quote from me science guru: "In the middle of the morning on the second day of Creation, in the Archean era 400 million years ago, a miraculous combination of gases produced a few simple bacteria. My late mentor, Nobel Laureate physicist, Dick Feynman, convinced me it could not have been a random event. As a scientist, the best way I can describe it is this. A hand of intelligence reached into the chaos and the precise order of life was born." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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