Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 What undermines acceptance of our own natural state? A good question, but what is our "natural" state? I think we have not yet attained it as a group but are rather, a work in progress. We are in the adolecence of our own evolution. If, for instance, in the concept of "The Garden Of Eden", Eve is an Ape who has evolved to the stage of having a creative energy center (Kundalini)and this serpent drives her and her mate from the garden of animals to embark upon a separate evolutionary path, perhaps from then until now, we are simply in the midst of Kundalini evolving as it strengthens and expands our energy centers (Chakras)-- and gradually maps out the path to connection with divine creative energy. I do believe we are still children (as a group), and that some sages are born at a higher stage and then push the boundaries of their own evolutionary state unleashing kundalini and attaining crown chakra connection with the divine energy. Unfortunately, the average human can only make religions of hero worship out of the road maps presented by such actualized individuals. And that wouldn't be such a bad thing if they didn't have to fight over whose hero is bigger and more right on!!! I don't think humans as a whole are ready physically and mental/emotionaly for the full force of kundalini. Reading what others say and in my own experience, Kundalini is an overwhelming force. Sometimes I feel as though my entire being is going to blow apart. The estacy can go far beyond the bounds of pleasure, and I believe this is because we are not fully developed enough to house the full force of this energy. Perhaps this is why we (who have unleashed kundalini) can get lost in the idea of self as divine-- I think we are evolving to a point where Fully Awakened Kundalini is the natural state for all. Until then, I think we are pulled forcfully in that direction by this profound force and therefore cannot accept self while we know (both conciously and unconciously) that self is not fully realized. Human Adolecence! Look around and tell me it isn't so. Slill Here, Jody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Thanks for sharing Jody. You make some excellent points that go to the heart of the spiritual path and what it is all about. It is hard to know all the mysteries of Shakti as Her expressions are infinite and varied. Visionary and other experiences are bestowed by the Goddess, known by different names in different traditions and religions. Hatha Yoga Pradipika says that Shakti binds a fool and gives freedom to the Sage. That is also a point of view, that has to be respected. We are bound in a way by our concepts, I believe. Whether it is the concept of our being adolescence in evolution or whether it is a concept of perfection, self-realization etc. Perhaps the point that you are making is that if we look at the world around us (and look within our own body and mind), we will see human misery, suffering, and anguish. Perhaps Jody you are asking that given all this, how can anyone lay a claim to self-realization, or knowledge of the truth, etc. I do not know anything about that. It seems to me that despite all our suffering, we can clearly see that we are aware and that we exist. To some, this is a trivial fact. But sages see that as the Only Fact that one should hold on to under all circumstances until the truth of the Self is Recognized spontaneously. Shakti manifesting through Vijnanamaya Kosha (the subtle intellect), pulsates as the force of "I AM." When the I AM holds on to the I AM in awareness, that is the true spiritual practice. Beyond that what can really be said. That is my considered opinion based on my experience and the teaching of great sages. Thanks again Jody for writing. Enjoyed reading it. Harsha robinrbj [robinrbj] Monday, July 26, 1999 8:11 AM What Undermines Self Acceptance? robinrbj What undermines acceptance of our own natural state? A good question, but what is our "natural" state? I think we have not yet attained it as a group but are rather, a work in progress. We are in the adolecence of our own evolution. If, for instance, in the concept of "The Garden Of Eden", Eve is an Ape who has evolved to the stage of having a creative energy center (Kundalini)and this serpent drives her and her mate from the garden of animals to embark upon a separate evolutionary path, perhaps from then until now, we are simply in the midst of Kundalini evolving as it strengthens and expands our energy centers (Chakras)-- and gradually maps out the path to connection with divine creative energy. I do believe we are still children (as a group), and that some sages are born at a higher stage and then push the boundaries of their own evolutionary state unleashing kundalini and attaining crown chakra connection with the divine energy. Unfortunately, the average human can only make religions of hero worship out of the road maps presented by such actualized individuals. And that wouldn't be such a bad thing if they didn't have to fight over whose hero is bigger and more right on!!! I don't think humans as a whole are ready physically and mental/emotionaly for the full force of kundalini. Reading what others say and in my own experience, Kundalini is an overwhelming force. Sometimes I feel as though my entire being is going to blow apart. The estacy can go far beyond the bounds of pleasure, and I believe this is because we are not fully developed enough to house the full force of this energy. Perhaps this is why we (who have unleashed kundalini) can get lost in the idea of self as divine-- I think we are evolving to a point where Fully Awakened Kundalini is the natural state for all. Until then, I think we are pulled forcfully in that direction by this profound force and therefore cannot accept self while we know (both conciously and unconciously) that self is not fully realized. Human Adolecence! Look around and tell me it isn't so. Slill Here, Jody --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Create a list for FRIENDS & FAMILY... ....and you can WIN $100 to Amazon.com. See homepage for details. ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 > >Jody: What undermines acceptance of our own natural state? A good question, but >what is our "natural" state? I think we have not yet attained it as a group but >are rather, a work in progress. We are in the adolecence of our own evolution. My understanding of our "natural state" is that these words imply "that which is already here," already the case". How can we evolve to, or attain what is already the case? For me, this concept is a pointing to nonevolution, nonbecoming awareneness as "such". Unborn and Uncreated. Or, said another way, awareness that is so much, so fully "becoming and being" that it "burns up" the being-becoming each instant, is simply omnipresent and total at every instant. I'm saying this because I think that as consciousness directs its evolution in time (which is our ability), it is easy for consciousness to miss its Source as self-nature, which is beyond anything that it will ever evolve into. > <snip> Human Adolecence! Look around and tell me it isn't so. An optimistic way of viewing the situation! Dan > > > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Create a list for FRIENDS & FAMILY... > >...and you can WIN $100 to Amazon.com. See homepage for details. > >------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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