Guest guest Posted July 31, 1999 Report Share Posted July 31, 1999 Tony sometimes I worry that you may take this negating experience too far. Have you heard it is wise to keep some duality (ignorance) so you don't drop your BODY??? I am not kidding. Just a hint is all. Warnings are we can drop all need for body, if you go too far, so won't get chance to enjoy bringing heaven ON earth IN body. I hope you will allow yourself the joy of Being in body too (yes we may call it illusory) Yet is it ours to become AWARE of ~ thence illusion and reality may enjoy a happy relationship as LOVE. The paradox is, it is actually our body which is allowing us to become aware through its ability to act as conductor between unmanifest and manifest self/Self. All our body helps in this process. Every cell. It is possible to activate total brain usage ~ for an enlightened Being. Thus is body important. Very. I do undersatnd it is important to let go rigid attachment to body, but then when you Know, descend Heaven on earth through it. Maybe Sai Baba speaks of this? Just sharing friend, Wish you well, Colette ~*~ Tony O'Clery wrote: > For it is within illusion or the realms of experience, Sakti or > no. > > Love Tony. > > "God is formless. In order to merge in the formless God, > you have to give up identification with the body." > "There is only one Soul and that is God." Sai Baba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 1999 Report Share Posted August 1, 1999 Jan Barendrecht wrote: > How can it be called wise to keep up any sense of duality? All I am saying is that to have a human body at all, means existing in the field of duality. Sure consciousness is not bound by this. Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 1999 Report Share Posted August 1, 1999 On 8/1/99 at 11:15 AM Colette T wrote: >Colette T <colette > >Tony sometimes I worry that you may take this negating experience too far. > >Have you heard it is wise to keep some duality (ignorance) so you don't >drop your BODY??? I am not kidding. Just a hint is all. Warnings are we can >drop all need for body, if you go too far, so won't get chance to enjoy >bringing heaven ON earth IN body. How can it be called wise to keep up any sense of duality? For a realized one, there is no duality as everything is resolved into Self. In Advaita it is said, Knowledge is the destroyer of ignorance. But on realizing the Self the body doesn't disappear, so it is said that there is no contradiction between Knowledge and the products of ignorance (appearances like body, world etc.). The need to drop the body could be called a sentiment, as is the need to keep the body "eternally" alive. For a realized one, it makes no difference whether the body lives or dies as Self is shining without support. >I hope you will allow yourself the joy of Being in body too (yes we may >call it illusory) Yet is it ours to become AWARE of ~ thence illusion and >reality may enjoy a happy relationship as LOVE. Any relationship denotes duality; what you are referring to as LOVE could be called the interpretation of the reflection in the mind of Sat-Chit-Ananda. When the mind is dissolving in Self, reflections will disappear. > >The paradox is, it is actually our body which is allowing us to become >aware through its ability to act as conductor between unmanifest and >manifest self/Self. All our body helps in this process. Every cell. It is >possible to activate total brain usage ~ for an enlightened Being. Thus is >body important. Very. The game of life could be called a "hide and seek". Once a game has started, it has to end. Yoga is the science to end that game during this very lifetime. >I do undersatnd it is important to let go rigid attachment to body, but >then when you Know, descend Heaven on earth through it. Maybe Sai Baba >speaks of this? > >Just sharing friend, > >Wish you well, > >Colette The material body hardly is the source of attachment. In a reptile, "all" that matters is self-preservation and instincts. Mammals do have a reptilian brain too and they can rise above it, more easily when domesticated. "Living in" the limbic system, the emotions are causing the attachment or could be called attachment themselves. Unconditional surrender means surrendering emotions as well; then, attachment will be impossible. Ahimsa and compassion are the result of recognizing the "inner" law; they are not the product of emotions. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 1999 Report Share Posted August 1, 1999 Jan Barendrecht wrote: > For a realized one, there is no duality as everything is resolved into Self. A realized one? How many realized ones are there? > In Advaita it is said, Knowledge is the destroyer of ignorance. That's quite dualistic. What lies beyond knowledge & ignorance? > But on realizing the Self the body doesn't disappear, so it is said that there is no contradiction between Knowledge and the products of ignorance (appearances like body, world etc.). How would you know? : ) > For a realized one, it makes no difference whether the body lives or dies as Self is shining without support. Self must always shine without support regardless whether we believe we are realized or not. > When the mind is dissolving in Self, reflections will disappear. The body, the world are but a reflection. Are you realized? > The game of life could be called a "hide and seek". Once a game has started, it has to end. Yoga is the science to end that game during this very lifetime. All science is part of the game. Some use yoga to keep playing the game. What if the game never began? Love, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 1999 Report Share Posted August 1, 1999 *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/1/99 at 12:46 PM David Bozzi wrote: >David Bozzi <david.bozzi > >Jan Barendrecht wrote: > >> For a realized one, there is no duality as everything is resolved into Self. > >A realized one? >How many realized ones are there? One. > >> In Advaita it is said, Knowledge is the destroyer of ignorance. > >That's quite dualistic. >What lies beyond knowledge & ignorance? A beyond is dualistic as well. >> But on realizing the Self the body doesn't disappear, so it is said that there is no contradiction between Knowledge and the products of ignorance (appearances like body, world etc.). > >How would you know? : ) Among others, inference. >> For a realized one, it makes no difference whether the body lives or dies as Self is shining without support. > >Self must always shine without support >regardless whether we believe we are realized or not. A must from whom? >> When the mind is dissolving in Self, reflections will disappear. > >The body, the world are but a reflection. >Are you realized? A question to remain unanswered. >> The game of life could be called a "hide and seek". Once a game has started, it has to end. Yoga is the science to end that game during this very lifetime. > >All science is part of the game. Some use yoga to keep playing the game. >What if the game never began? >Love, >David The cliche that there is only one and nothing matters. Which means, if the game never ends it doesn't matter either Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 1999 Report Share Posted August 1, 1999 *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/1/99 at 10:59 PM Colette T wrote: >Colette T <colette > > > >Jan Barendrecht wrote: > >> How can it be called wise to keep up any sense of duality? > >All I am saying is that to have a human body at all, means existing in the field of duality. >Sure consciousness is not bound by this. > >Col As long as there is the sense of having (a body, a car, a spouse, a soul etc.), duality is the experience. When the sense of I, me, you, having, losing, gaining etc. has been lost, nonduality is a fact. That simple and far too ordinary to spend many words on . Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 1999 Report Share Posted August 1, 1999 > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** It works my duality, thank you Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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