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Dear Wise People:

 

Not much is known about Jesus Christ as a young man. There is now an

interesting theory that in his younger days Jesus actually traveled East

(India) and studied eastern thought under Gurus. This would stand to reason

because during those times, Eastern thought WAS the most prevalent thought

(there was No Christianity, Islam, or Judaism if I am not mistaken). Perhaps

someone else can comment on this.

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In a message dated 8/4/1999 10:22:19 PM Atlantic Daylight Time,

INSprofess writes:

 

<< INSprofess

 

 

 

Dear Wise People:

 

Not much is known about Jesus Christ as a young man. There is now an

interesting theory that in his younger days Jesus actually traveled East

(India) and studied eastern thought under Gurus. This would stand to reason

because during those times, Eastern thought WAS the most prevalent thought

(there was No Christianity, Islam, or Judaism if I am not mistaken). Perhaps

someone else can comment on this.

>>

 

Hey where have you been hiding Nav. Asked a lot of questions while I was away

and now you are all quiet like a mouse. Hey just kidding. I will take a mouse

over a tiger any day! Glad you are still here and sticking with us :--)

 

Harsha

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In a message dated 8/4/99 9:50:28 PM Central Daylight Time,

HarshaIMTM writes:

 

<< where have you been hiding Nav. Asked a lot of questions while I was away

and now you are all quiet like a mouse. Hey just kidding. I will take a

mouse

over a tiger any day! Glad you are still here and sticking with us :--)

 

Harsha

>>

 

I am not really a mouse, just use one!!

 

You name was mentioned reverently several times during your absence..

Would you please enlighten me, as well as possibly other new comers, of your

background and what you had in mind in starting such a group?? There seem to

be a lot of well read and learned people belonging to this group, although I

am not sure I undersdtand all they say. I have noticed that some members of

this group, however, at least in my feeble mind, love to go around in circles

and make a mockery of serious discussion. Oh well, to each their own.

 

Thanks for the welcome Harsh, and although I do not write that much to this

group, I will when I feel I can learn something.

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In a message dated 8/4/99 10:40:40 PM Central Daylight Time, editor

writes:

 

<<

A more prevalent variant of

this theory is that Jesus

traveled and was acclaimed

*as* a guru on the

subcontinent.

>>

 

Swami Jesus?? Just does not sound natural!!

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Melody wrote:

> I'm spending time letting the Bible stories

> dance thru me.

>

> Ultimately it's all just a game of experiences.

>

> It's not like any of us are actually *accomplishing* anything with any of

> this, is it?

>

> Because, as you say, ultimately it's all false.

>

> Still....what a remarkable dance of life, no matter

> who's drum beat we're dancing to.

>

> with love,

> Melody

 

You might be interested in checking out Tolstoy's

version of the Gospels, if you haven't seen it;

 

http://member.aol.com/Tolstoy828/gospel.txt

 

chapter headings from the preface;

 

1. Man is the son of an infinite source: a son of that Father not by the flesh

but by the spirit.

2. Therefore man should serve that source in spirit.

3. The life of all men has a divine origin. It alone is holy.

4. Therefore man should serve that source in the life of all men. Such is the

will of the Father.

5. The service of the will of that Father of life gives life.

6. Therefore the gratification of one's own will is not necessary for life.

7. Temporal life is food for the true life.

8. Therefore the true life is independent of time: it is in the present.

9. Time is an illusion of life; life in the past and in the future conceals from

men the true life of the present.

10. Therefore man should strive to destroy the illusion of the temporal life of

the past and future.

11. True life is life in the present, common to all men and manifesting itself

in love.

12. Therefore, he who lives by love in the present, through the common life of

all men, unites with the Father, the source and foundation of life.

 

 

andrew

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"THE STRUGGLE WITH TEMPTATION

 

So, not to fall into temptation, we must at every moment Of our life be

at one with the Father.

 

"AND LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION"

 

AFTER this, the Orthodox chief priests tried to do all they could to

ensnare Jesus, so as in one way or other to destroy him. They assembled

in council and began to consider.

They said: We must somehow finish with this man. He so proves his

teaching that if we let him alone everyone will believe in him and cast

off our belief. Now already half the people believe in him. But if the

Jews come to believe his teaching that all men are sons of one Father

and are brothers, and that our Hebrew people are not different from

others, then the Romans will overwhelm us completely and we shall no

longer have a Hebrew kingdom."

 

From;

http://member.aol.com/Tolstoy828/gospel.txt

 

I like the text you sent Andrew, thanks

 

Antoine

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At 08:59 PM 8/4/99 -0300, you wrote:

>andrew macnab <a.macnab

>

>You might be interested in checking out Tolstoy's

>version of the Gospels, if you haven't seen it;

>

>http://member.aol.com/Tolstoy828/gospel.txt

>

 

 

 

I had not seen Tolstoy's version of the Gospels

before. Thank you for introducing it to me.

 

This one I found seemed to sparkle:

 

 

VIII

 

LIFE IS NOT TEMPORAL

 

Therefore true life must be lived in the present.

 

"EACH DAY"

 

 

JESUS said: He who is not prepared to suffer all bodily sufferings and

deprivations has not understood me. He who obtains all that is best for his

bodily life destroys the true life. But he who sacrifices his bodily life

in fulfilling my teaching will receive the true life.

 

And at those words, Peter said to him: See, we have obeyed you, have thrown

off all ties and property, and have followed you. What reward shall we

receive for this?

 

Jesus said to him: Everyone who has given up home, sisters, brothers,

father, mother, wife, children, or lands, for my teaching, shall receive a

hundredfold more than sisters, brothers, and fields, and all that is

needful in this life, and besides that obtains also life beyond the bounds

of time. There are no rewards in the kingdom of heaven, the kingdom of

heaven is its own aim and reward. In the kingdom of heaven all are equal,

there is neither first nor last.

~~~~~~

 

Thanks again, Andrew.

 

Melody

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On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:21:58 EDT INSprofess writes:

> INSprofess

>

>

>

> Dear Wise People:

>

> Not much is known about Jesus Christ as a young man. There is now an

> interesting theory that in his younger days Jesus actually traveled

> East (India) and studied eastern thought under Gurus.

 

A more prevalent variant of

this theory is that Jesus

traveled and was acclaimed

*as* a guru on the

subcontinent.

> This would stand to reason

> because during those times, Eastern thought WAS the most prevalent

> thought

> (there was No Christianity, Islam, or Judaism if I am not mistaken).

> Perhaps someone else can comment on this.

>

You are correct with the

exception of Judaism, which

had of course been well

established for centuries

by the time Jesus arrived.

The Middle East had many

strains of thought and

philosophy of its own, the

Vedic culture of India was

dominant on its own turf but

not a major factor in

Mesopotamia, Palestine, Asia

Minor, and the Mediterranean

-- at least not compared to

the predominant influence of

Hellenistic culture, which

is of mostly Greek, Persian,

and Egyptian origin. Koine

Greek was the lingua franca

in those regions, not

Sanskrit.

 

 

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On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:43:30 EDT INSprofess writes:

> INSprofess

>

> In a message dated 8/4/99 10:40:40 PM Central Daylight Time,

> editor

> writes:

>

> <<

> A more prevalent variant of

> this theory is that Jesus

> traveled and was acclaimed

> *as* a guru on the

> subcontinent.

> >>

>

> Swami Jesus?? Just does not sound natural!!

>

That's right, it sounds quite

odd -- but nobody other than

Greek-speakers ever called

him "Jesus" while he was alive

either, and his disciples

addressed him as "Rabbi"

(respected teacher)! As a

Galilean Hebrew he was

probably called "Yeshua," the

Hebrew/Aramaic source of the

English name "Joshua."

 

 

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In a message dated 8/4/99 11:10:29 PM Central Daylight Time, editor

writes:

 

<< at's right, it sounds quite

odd -- but nobody other than

Greek-speakers ever called

him "Jesus" while he was alive

either, and his disciples

addressed him as "Rabbi"

(respected teacher)! As a

Galilean Hebrew he was

probably called "Yeshua," the

Hebrew/Aramaic source of the

English name "Joshua."

 

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm

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How >>

The theory that Jesus, or whatever he was known as when he was young, was

known as a GURU in the subcontinent is most absurd. To my knowledge, there

is no such record in the Indian writings. What IS a fact is that Hinduism

was flourishing in the subcontinent long before Jesus was here, and long

after Jesus had left the world.

 

Incidentally,, the reason why Hinduism did not extend beyond the subcontinent

was because UNLIKE other religions, Hinduism does not believe in conversions

and respects all other religions. Christianity spread because of its

creating fear among the masses that if they did not covert to Christianity,

then they would all go to hell!!

It is illogical to assume that God discriminates on the basis of what

religion one has chosen in life!

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