Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Dear Wise People: Not much is known about Jesus Christ as a young man. There is now an interesting theory that in his younger days Jesus actually traveled East (India) and studied eastern thought under Gurus. This would stand to reason because during those times, Eastern thought WAS the most prevalent thought (there was No Christianity, Islam, or Judaism if I am not mistaken). Perhaps someone else can comment on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 In a message dated 8/4/1999 10:22:19 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, INSprofess writes: << INSprofess Dear Wise People: Not much is known about Jesus Christ as a young man. There is now an interesting theory that in his younger days Jesus actually traveled East (India) and studied eastern thought under Gurus. This would stand to reason because during those times, Eastern thought WAS the most prevalent thought (there was No Christianity, Islam, or Judaism if I am not mistaken). Perhaps someone else can comment on this. >> Hey where have you been hiding Nav. Asked a lot of questions while I was away and now you are all quiet like a mouse. Hey just kidding. I will take a mouse over a tiger any day! Glad you are still here and sticking with us :--) Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 In a message dated 8/4/99 9:50:28 PM Central Daylight Time, HarshaIMTM writes: << where have you been hiding Nav. Asked a lot of questions while I was away and now you are all quiet like a mouse. Hey just kidding. I will take a mouse over a tiger any day! Glad you are still here and sticking with us :--) Harsha >> I am not really a mouse, just use one!! You name was mentioned reverently several times during your absence.. Would you please enlighten me, as well as possibly other new comers, of your background and what you had in mind in starting such a group?? There seem to be a lot of well read and learned people belonging to this group, although I am not sure I undersdtand all they say. I have noticed that some members of this group, however, at least in my feeble mind, love to go around in circles and make a mockery of serious discussion. Oh well, to each their own. Thanks for the welcome Harsh, and although I do not write that much to this group, I will when I feel I can learn something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 In a message dated 8/4/99 10:40:40 PM Central Daylight Time, editor writes: << A more prevalent variant of this theory is that Jesus traveled and was acclaimed *as* a guru on the subcontinent. >> Swami Jesus?? Just does not sound natural!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Melody wrote: > I'm spending time letting the Bible stories > dance thru me. > > Ultimately it's all just a game of experiences. > > It's not like any of us are actually *accomplishing* anything with any of > this, is it? > > Because, as you say, ultimately it's all false. > > Still....what a remarkable dance of life, no matter > who's drum beat we're dancing to. > > with love, > Melody You might be interested in checking out Tolstoy's version of the Gospels, if you haven't seen it; http://member.aol.com/Tolstoy828/gospel.txt chapter headings from the preface; 1. Man is the son of an infinite source: a son of that Father not by the flesh but by the spirit. 2. Therefore man should serve that source in spirit. 3. The life of all men has a divine origin. It alone is holy. 4. Therefore man should serve that source in the life of all men. Such is the will of the Father. 5. The service of the will of that Father of life gives life. 6. Therefore the gratification of one's own will is not necessary for life. 7. Temporal life is food for the true life. 8. Therefore the true life is independent of time: it is in the present. 9. Time is an illusion of life; life in the past and in the future conceals from men the true life of the present. 10. Therefore man should strive to destroy the illusion of the temporal life of the past and future. 11. True life is life in the present, common to all men and manifesting itself in love. 12. Therefore, he who lives by love in the present, through the common life of all men, unites with the Father, the source and foundation of life. andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 "THE STRUGGLE WITH TEMPTATION So, not to fall into temptation, we must at every moment Of our life be at one with the Father. "AND LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION" AFTER this, the Orthodox chief priests tried to do all they could to ensnare Jesus, so as in one way or other to destroy him. They assembled in council and began to consider. They said: We must somehow finish with this man. He so proves his teaching that if we let him alone everyone will believe in him and cast off our belief. Now already half the people believe in him. But if the Jews come to believe his teaching that all men are sons of one Father and are brothers, and that our Hebrew people are not different from others, then the Romans will overwhelm us completely and we shall no longer have a Hebrew kingdom." From; http://member.aol.com/Tolstoy828/gospel.txt I like the text you sent Andrew, thanks Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 At 08:59 PM 8/4/99 -0300, you wrote: >andrew macnab <a.macnab > >You might be interested in checking out Tolstoy's >version of the Gospels, if you haven't seen it; > >http://member.aol.com/Tolstoy828/gospel.txt > I had not seen Tolstoy's version of the Gospels before. Thank you for introducing it to me. This one I found seemed to sparkle: VIII LIFE IS NOT TEMPORAL Therefore true life must be lived in the present. "EACH DAY" JESUS said: He who is not prepared to suffer all bodily sufferings and deprivations has not understood me. He who obtains all that is best for his bodily life destroys the true life. But he who sacrifices his bodily life in fulfilling my teaching will receive the true life. And at those words, Peter said to him: See, we have obeyed you, have thrown off all ties and property, and have followed you. What reward shall we receive for this? Jesus said to him: Everyone who has given up home, sisters, brothers, father, mother, wife, children, or lands, for my teaching, shall receive a hundredfold more than sisters, brothers, and fields, and all that is needful in this life, and besides that obtains also life beyond the bounds of time. There are no rewards in the kingdom of heaven, the kingdom of heaven is its own aim and reward. In the kingdom of heaven all are equal, there is neither first nor last. ~~~~~~ Thanks again, Andrew. Melody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 This is a better link for Tolstoy. (page layout is messed up on the other link, at least on my computer) http://www.tolstoy.org/gospel.txt andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:21:58 EDT INSprofess writes: > INSprofess > > > > Dear Wise People: > > Not much is known about Jesus Christ as a young man. There is now an > interesting theory that in his younger days Jesus actually traveled > East (India) and studied eastern thought under Gurus. A more prevalent variant of this theory is that Jesus traveled and was acclaimed *as* a guru on the subcontinent. > This would stand to reason > because during those times, Eastern thought WAS the most prevalent > thought > (there was No Christianity, Islam, or Judaism if I am not mistaken). > Perhaps someone else can comment on this. > You are correct with the exception of Judaism, which had of course been well established for centuries by the time Jesus arrived. The Middle East had many strains of thought and philosophy of its own, the Vedic culture of India was dominant on its own turf but not a major factor in Mesopotamia, Palestine, Asia Minor, and the Mediterranean -- at least not compared to the predominant influence of Hellenistic culture, which is of mostly Greek, Persian, and Egyptian origin. Koine Greek was the lingua franca in those regions, not Sanskrit. http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm m(_ _)m _ _________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:43:30 EDT INSprofess writes: > INSprofess > > In a message dated 8/4/99 10:40:40 PM Central Daylight Time, > editor > writes: > > << > A more prevalent variant of > this theory is that Jesus > traveled and was acclaimed > *as* a guru on the > subcontinent. > >> > > Swami Jesus?? Just does not sound natural!! > That's right, it sounds quite odd -- but nobody other than Greek-speakers ever called him "Jesus" while he was alive either, and his disciples addressed him as "Rabbi" (respected teacher)! As a Galilean Hebrew he was probably called "Yeshua," the Hebrew/Aramaic source of the English name "Joshua." http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm m(_ _)m _ _________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 In a message dated 8/4/99 11:10:29 PM Central Daylight Time, editor writes: << at's right, it sounds quite odd -- but nobody other than Greek-speakers ever called him "Jesus" while he was alive either, and his disciples addressed him as "Rabbi" (respected teacher)! As a Galilean Hebrew he was probably called "Yeshua," the Hebrew/Aramaic source of the English name "Joshua." http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm m(_ _)m _ _________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- How >> The theory that Jesus, or whatever he was known as when he was young, was known as a GURU in the subcontinent is most absurd. To my knowledge, there is no such record in the Indian writings. What IS a fact is that Hinduism was flourishing in the subcontinent long before Jesus was here, and long after Jesus had left the world. Incidentally,, the reason why Hinduism did not extend beyond the subcontinent was because UNLIKE other religions, Hinduism does not believe in conversions and respects all other religions. Christianity spread because of its creating fear among the masses that if they did not covert to Christianity, then they would all go to hell!! It is illogical to assume that God discriminates on the basis of what religion one has chosen in life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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