DHEA

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In a message dated 08/15/1999 7:54:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

david.bozzi writes:

 

<< Many holistic doctors are, however.

In general, it seems the naturopath's understanding of human health & disease

is far more advanced than today's medical doc.

 

David

>>

This I agree with in many respects. My sister, married to an incredible

surgeon (who is a caring man) was pregnant with her second child. I

recommended she add ferrous iron instead of the cheap stuff they shell out at

the OB/GYN's to her vitamin list. The OB will give you Ferric iron. Ferric

Iron is Fe3+, Ferrous Iron is FE2+, which means your body doesn't have to

strip off that additional ion, and so assimilates the iron much more easilly.

I told her because of her diet she would risk hemmeroids. She said, "my

husband is a surgeon and he thinks it's fine." I said "fine."

 

Guess who ended up in the hospital and called me "what's that Iron you told

me about?" The last time she was pregnant.

 

Fruit and vegetables are incredibly healthy, and good for K. And as Antoine

so eloquently described it, it is more the approach. In other words, better

to eat a fish with reverence than to digest tofu with Gurdjiev's 10,000 laws

of "I am so holy." Laughing.

 

You are correct that DHEA is non-addictive. I would caution younger users,

it will add to all your hormones and if you are under 40, you will feel like

an 18 year old boy, in other words, one-track mind. For older users, it

takes awhile to rebuild the base level. And, it is better to add DHEA than

Melatonin, Melatonin comes in at the top and then the brain shuts down the

synthesis of it because it feels it already exists in the body, so, it is

better to add at the base of the foundation, if you choose to add this to

your diet, your body cannot make enough of it, what you don't need your body

will dispense with. Liver fears are the pharmaceutical industry's attempts

to control the pharmaceutical market, they also tried here in the US to ban

vitamins from being sold, thank God, they failed.

 

Chiron rules healing and their are seven healing Arts, one of which is

surgery, from the Latin, chirurgery. The others are Chiropractic,

Chiromancy, Astrology, Chiral (light healing with hands) which is called

Chirothesia, Accupuncture/pressure, Chirography. Smile, medicine is one

path, one I myself have loved but that somehow seemed limited so I left my

studies after beginning.

 

Obviously, meditation, K, theta waves, all of these bring harmony to the body

and transform the energy paths...and each of us follows our own Divine

Spirit's guidance from moment to moment. The acetylcholine effects are the

most interesting to me, the neurochemical pathways, and I think for some

bright neurochemist out there, there are huge inroads to be made with this.

I think it would be very interesting to very carefully study a PET scanned

individual and see if the symptoms of manic/depression (maps heavily right

brain) or its flip schizophrenia (which maps left) and see if the symptoms

could be alleviated.

 

Laughing, watching me play in Lower Mental Mazes, asking for Divine Light

guidance... )

 

L*L*L

Rainbo

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Dear David:

 

I have read a few articles about DHEA and its metabolic benefits in some of

the local health food flyers. I appreciate you taking the time to detail the

specific safe dosage levels. I suppose, like many things this dosage should

be adjusted for both age, activity and individual metabolism.

 

I agree that hormone replacement or reactivation through natural means is

critical to maintaining youthful physical health. This is a science that as

you point out, most Doctors are only barely up to speed on. Additionally,

simply replacing the hormones, although helpful, cannot be as successful as

discovering the mechanism(s) to turn these hormone producing cells and glands

back on. I expect that great advances will be made in the next 25 years, so

it is my intention to stay healthy enough to be around for the breakthroughs!

 

 

If you have any recommended DHEA producers that you believe would be

beneficial, I would be interested in these brands/sources.

 

Blessings,

 

Zenbob

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Dear Jan:

 

Regarding your comments to Dharma re melatonin. I found that taking large

dosages had no greater effect than taking a modest dose.

 

I also found that although it seemed to stimulate a more active dream sleep

cycle much earlier than what would be "normal" it did not in any way increase

sleep time or depth.

 

In fact, to echo your comments, I found that just 10 to 15 minutes of

meditation prior to sleep far surpasses the effects of melatonin, and with

much deeper, much, much more restful results.

 

Melatonin production (or Seratonin to be exact) in the natural state is

effected by how much light versus dark your skin is exposed to, according to

most science. I believe that a healthy regimen of being outdoors in fresh

air, and not cooped up inside of unhealthy offices for 8-10 hours a day

during the "best" part of the daylight hours results in the serious loss of

these natural hormones in most Western people.

 

I also agree with Dharma that good meditation techniques and outdoor activity

will reverse many aging symptoms, such as hair growth, gray hair and so on.

I have less gray now than I did six years ago. And I am not bald, either.

LOL. But muscle tone, exercise, good diet all are needed to keep the body as

fit as possible. No studies have been able to measure the damage done by

pollutants, stress and chemical additives in our foods. I don't believe that

any such study could ever be made public because of the powerful interests

that would be damaged by it.

 

So, we all must pass along these tidbits of information, keep to moderate

habits in terms of diet and supplements ("hey, if one B Complex pill can

reduce stress problems, I'll bet a dozen will make me really healthy!"). I

would be interested in your or anyone else's thoughts on Homeopathic

remedies. Many that I have used have worked quite well, and some have had no

effect, that I could determine.

 

Warm Regards,

 

Zenbob

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"Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" wrote:

> RainboLily

>

> In the studies I have seen, DHEA

> is the only chemical which decreases in direct proportion to "age" depending

> on all those factors

 

All human hormones drop like a brick as we age. Estrogen, testosterone,

progesterone and also neural transmitter levels like dopamine which leads to

plummeting acetyl-choline levels in the brain leading to brain aging.

Melatonin for instance by age 50 drops to less than 1/2 your youthful levels.

Age 70: 20% (most old people can't sleep cause of this)

 

Not good; melatonin is our master timing hormone. Without enough of it

the beautiful symphony of our bodies begins to sound like an out-of-tune

junior high school band.

> Thanks Annette. I have heard taking DHEA might cause liver problems.

 

The benefits of DHEA or enormous for humans.

Dose is critical and a person's situation needs to accessed. At 25-50mg

a day DHEA is quite safe.

> It seems we know so little about how artificial harmones affect us that there

> is reason for caution.

 

DHEA is not artificial, it's exactly identical to what's in your body.

It's no more addicting than water.

> I have heard that mice have benefited from it and

> some people really "feel" younger after taking it. But then I suppose you

> would have to keep taking it. So the dependence factor has to be considered.

 

Spirit (through science) tells us we need to maintain

all levels of our hormones at the age 25 levels to keep our minds, our

sexuality,

our zest for life, immunity, memory... (current hormone replacement will add

25-35 years of high quality life) This of course includes exercise & nutrition

& avoiding toxic food.

 

In short, DHEA protects against cancer, protects your heart,

boosts mood, muscle, & immunity. It's an alternative treatment to

hypo-thryroid. (synthroid is quite dangerous)

 

I have simplified this because we need to talk about *all* the hormones when

we talk about one. It's much like talking about just one note in a song.

 

Recommended reading for those interested:

 

'Hormonal Health' - Dr Michael Colgan (Apple Publishing)

Nutritional & hormonal strategies for emotional well-being

& intellectual longevity.

 

I have tested the medical doctors in my state & none of them are up to

speed on the science. (it will take them at least 10-15 years)

 

Many holistic doctors are, however.

In general, it seems the naturopath's understanding of human health & disease

is far more advanced than today's medical doc.

 

David

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Dear Rainbo:

 

I could not agree more with your comments!

 

There is so much of great value in what you wrote in your post on DHEA,

vitamins, Iron and attitude. I can't believe you synthesized all of this so

succinctly in this brief letter.

 

Clearly, you have a well grounded and common sense approach to health and

nutrition, have studied at length and carefully know how to relate this in

ways that are usable and sensible for others to follow. You should write a

book.

 

If you choose to, let me know. LOL

 

Warm Regards,

Blessings,

Love,

 

Zenbob

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Hi David,

>All human hormones drop like a brick as we age. Estrogen, testosterone,

>progesterone and also neural transmitter levels like dopamine which leads to

>plummeting acetyl-choline levels in the brain leading to brain aging.

>Melatonin for instance by age 50 drops to less than 1/2 your youthful levels.

>Age 70: 20% (most old people can't sleep cause of this)

>

>Not good; melatonin is our master timing hormone. Without enough of it

>the beautiful symphony of our bodies begins to sound like an out-of-tune

>junior high school band.

 

I've read that active K. can increase hormone production and even reverse

aging. I find my nails and hair are growing at a great rate, which makes

me think that human growth hormone has increased. Do you know whether

anyone has done any research on this?

 

Love,

Dharma

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On 8/15/99 at 7:31 PM Dharma wrote:

>Dharma <fisher1

>

>Hi David,

[...]

>>Not good; melatonin is our master timing hormone. Without

enough of it

>>the beautiful symphony of our bodies begins to sound like an

out-of-tune

>>junior high school band.

>

>I've read that active K. can increase hormone production and

even reverse

>aging. I find my nails and hair are growing at a great rate,

which makes

>me think that human growth hormone has increased. Do you

know whether

>anyone has done any research on this?

>

>Love,

>Dharma

>

>

 

Concerning melatonin, when the hype was, it caused one to

almost doze off immediately after taking it, I took an

experiment to check if yogis are affected by it as well. One

tablet, nothing happened. So the dose was steadily increased

with one tablet per day. When a number of ten tablets was

reached and still nothing happened, I gave up Knowing this

certainly saves money

 

Jan

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Hi Zenbob,

>Regarding your comments to Dharma re melatonin. I found that taking large

>dosages had no greater effect than taking a modest dose.

>

>I also found that although it seemed to stimulate a more active dream sleep

>cycle much earlier than what would be "normal" it did not in any way increase

>sleep time or depth.

>

>In fact, to echo your comments, I found that just 10 to 15 minutes of

>meditation prior to sleep far surpasses the effects of melatonin, and with

>much deeper, much, much more restful results.

 

I don't recall any effects from Melatonin... it didn't make me sleepy...

but since I wasn't taking it to sleep, I didn't try increasing the dosage.

>I also agree with Dharma that good meditation techniques and outdoor activity

>will reverse many aging symptoms, such as hair growth, gray hair and so on.

>I have less gray now than I did six years ago.

 

Me too... I do color my hair to put the red back in, so it's only when I

get lazy about doing that that I notice what the natural color is. I

used to have some white around the forehead and temples, and it went away.

But about a year after my K. went active, I noticed that I have a circle of

white hair over crown chakra. )) Good thing I color it. )

 

I think K. can do a great deal... for instance, when I was pregnant I

ended up with a lot of bad stretch marks, and I lost my navel. I didn't

like the looks of it, really wanted it back the way it was... and now I

have a navel back again... the marks are a lot better... so I'm watching

with interest to see how far it will go.

 

You know those dark marks that come under the skin... they call them age

spots or liver spots? I had some on the backs of my hands, so I put

hydroxy-something cream on them... and they came up to the surface and

peeled off. So I put the cream on my arms and legs a few times too. My

body seems to have formed the habit now... when I get an age spot, it

slowly comes to the surface and peels away. Thanks, body.

>I

>would be interested in your or anyone else's thoughts on Homeopathic

>remedies. Many that I have used have worked quite well, and some have had no

>effect, that I could determine.

 

I've had good experience in the past with them. But recently I went to my

chiropractor, who also uses homeopathy, for a check-up. I had finally

gotten rid of my sinus trouble and was taking no medication at all. He did

some body work and put some drops under my tongue, and my sinus trouble

came back with a vengeance!! Then a bunch of other allergies surfaced that

I was over a long time ago... that's quieting down now, though I'm still

being careful... and still taking my sinus medicine.

 

Love,

Dharma

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Hi Zenrob,

 

Perhaps I should have mentioned, not to need melatonin for

sleep. It was an experiment to see if yogis are relatively

insensitive to additional intake of hormones; expected was

that it wouldn't make a difference and it appeared to be true.

It was the last experiment of a few that were unknowingly

taken. Several years ago during the winter there were abundant

rains and plants started to appear that otherwise would not.

One of those plants looked excellent for salads and it tasted

well. So a lot was consumed. When an acquaintance found that

out, his remark was that the plants had to be poisonous

because even the goats won't touch them and he turned out to

be right. So apparently the saying that a yogi is to a certain

extent immune to poison is true.

 

Regarding the effects of the environment, it would be far more

reliable to use "free" animals as test objects instead of

humans; the animals kept their habits and were "only"

subjected to pollutants and probably stress. The humans

changed their habits and food so too many variables are

involved to give a meaningful outcome. Because all pollution

accumulates, the first ones to suffer are animals, living in

rivers and coastal waters and there, for some areas the

effects are alarming.

 

As since the change from vegan to fruitarian, ten years ago,

there hasn't been even a cold, both allopathy and homeopathy

have become irrelevant; before that, homoepathic medicine was

administered by my brother in law; when he wasn't there to

take care, nothing was taken, the cold disappeared by itself

and just as fast

 

Jan

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Dear Dharma:

 

Don't take those drops anymore! LOL

 

It would be interesting to note if the prior experiences with allergic/sinus

reactions had followed you receiving the same "homeopathic" liquid drops. I

also know that many practitioners claim to use "Homeopathic" medications and

formulas, but many of these are at dosage levels far, far beyond what

traditional homeopathic science originally taught in Germany, where the

practice originated. The entire physiological response is based on

triggering natural body production of needed responses in the endocrine and

immune system by "teasing" it with a very tiny dosage of medicine that

activates neurological changes by taste and chemistry. My concern, which you

seem to have underscored with your comment on the allergies, is that many

health practitioners may not be following the traditional methodology and

"overdosing" the patient(s).

 

If anyone else has related experiences I would be interested in your

comments. Ayurvedic medicines also approach this health area in much the

same way, minimal dosages being preferred. The Bach Flower remedies can also

be considered of the same family, but activating neurological and chemical

changes by olfactory responses (smell) instead of taste or digestion.

 

The Bach Flower Remedies at least have never induced any allergic responses

and are pleasant for the most part. How well they work is debatable, but I

am sure that for some things and for some people they are effective. I have

a sensitive nose, I do not smoke and I am considered a "heckuva good cook" by

friends who have had my Chicken Kiev, Curried dishes and French Cuisine. I

do not consider myself a gourmet chef, as I fully realize how profound the

depth necessary to attain that. I do think that I have hit 4 or 5 stars with

a few entrees, though. So, in short, I am mystified that the flower remedies

do not seem to produce any result with me. I love roses...Enjoy jasmine and

honeysuckle in the wild. Maybe I just don't have a physiological reaction

mechanism to smells. Pepper makes me sneeze...LOL

 

Blessings

Love,

Zenbob

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Dear Dharma:

 

Yes, I do love the aroma of chocolate or coffee or other rich herbs and

seasonings...or just the outdoors, pines, oaks, etc.

 

If you were getting cobalt, you do not need this, it is a heavy metal and a

poison, highly toxic in small amounts! That could be why your body signaled

you...

 

Also, be careful with selenium for the same reasons.

 

Blessings

Love,

 

Zenbob

[Guest guest]

Hi Zenbob,

>Don't take those drops anymore! LOL

 

No! I think it was just a mineral that he found I was low on... something

starting with a C... cobalt, maybe.

>It would be interesting to note if the prior experiences with allergic/sinus

>reactions had followed you receiving the same "homeopathic" liquid drops.

 

Not that I recall... It started when I moved to Schenectady, N.Y., near

Albany. I told the doctor I'd never had sinus trouble in my life before,

and he said, "That's what many people say after they move here." It's in a

gap in the mountains, and apparently the pollution comes down the river

valley. The doctors call it "Sinus Gulch."

 

Later I found my sinus trouble varied with where I was. Indiana is very

bad for sinus trouble... had to take prescription meds there. Going back

to N.Y., I could drop those meds about halfway across Ohio and just take

mild, over-the-counter stuff. Here in San Antonio I only need a mild

antihistamine for part of the year... and at some seasons a decongestant

also.

 

It also seems to change with atmospheric conditions, i.e. a weather front

coming through.

 

It's a strange condition... I know of others who have perfect health

except for sinus trouble.

>also know that many practitioners claim to use "Homeopathic" medications and

>formulas, but many of these are at dosage levels far, far beyond what

>traditional homeopathic science originally taught in Germany, where the

>practice originated. The entire physiological response is based on

>triggering natural body production of needed responses in the endocrine and

>immune system by "teasing" it with a very tiny dosage of medicine that

>activates neurological changes by taste and chemistry. My concern, which you

>seem to have underscored with your comment on the allergies, is that many

>health practitioners may not be following the traditional methodology and

>"overdosing" the patient(s).

 

The doc also gave me two bottles of big pills to chew or crush up in

something... combinations of vitamins and supplements for various

purposes. He hesitated about one, knowing that in the past I couldn't take

B vitamins... allergic to something in there. I looked at it, and sinc

eit had only small doses of a few Bs, I thought it would be all right. I

took those a couple of times and was sick... so maybe that helped trigger

the rise in the allergic level.

 

Maybe I should try the one without Bs again... but I kind of lean to just

letting my body and K. take care of everything.

>snip<

>Maybe I just don't have a physiological reaction

>mechanism to smells. Pepper makes me sneeze...LOL

 

I've read that chocolate, coffee, and cayenne pepper... even smelling them

raw in the can... will trigger the release of endorphins in the brain.

Works for me. Why don't you try it?

 

Love,

Dharma

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> david.bozzi

> DHEA is not artificial, it's exactly identical to what's in your body.

> It's no more addicting than water.

 

Water is the most addictive substance i know, can't pass a few days

without it.

 

Self you are my water,

 

Antoine