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Thank you for your thoughtful response Ramji. It is full of practical

wisdom. I will take the liberty to forward it to .

 

Namaste

Harsha

>

> Ram Chandran [chandran]

> Friday, September 03, 1999 2:53 PM

> advaitin

> Re: Maya, attachments, and the ordinary awareness

>

>

> Ram Chandran <chandran

>

> Namaskar Harshaji:

>

> You have raised several fundamental questions regarding True Human

> Nature and associated human dharma (karma). The presentation of your

> thoughts is excellent and it brings new insights to the complex

> phenomenon - self-awareness. I have added some additional points on the

> basis of my understanding:

>

> The famous quotation from the Upanishads states the following guidelines

> for living: "Life is a bridge, enjoy while living and don't build a

> castle on it." The Hindu scriptures also suggest a path of life with

> Self-awareness without disturbing the natural state of being. The

> natural state of being does not imply any supernatural state of being

> but just an ordinary human being with self-awareness. A careful study

> of Bhagavad Gita can yield a set of guidelines to lead a human life

> without misery and suffering. When we continue to live our life without

> misery and suffering, that is our salvation.

>

> The human beings have the freedom to choose any job that they want to do

> and once chosen, they have to fulfil their obligation with 100%

> commitment without distortion. Once we decided to have a child, we have

> chosen a number of associated jobs (duties) which includes - parent,

> teacher, friend, etc.. First, we should be fully aware of these

> additional obligations and any resistance to these additional

> obligations introduce duality and plurality. Second, while performing

> those duties, we don't want to mix-up our duties: As a parent, we love

> our child and show compassion and kindness but as a teacher, our

> obligation is to teach and not to show emotional attachment. We have a

> ‘free-will' to have a child but the ‘fate' brings the additional

> obligations that can't be denied. The term ‘Swadharma' doesn't mean

> full freedom and only conditional freedom. The moment Arjun chose to be

> a warrior, he is obligated to fight the war and kill his relatives and

> friends who join the side of his enemy.

>

> Most of the time, to discard attachments, we seem to assume that the

> objects are responsible for attachments. The drunkard believes that

> the liquor is responsible for his/her problem and try to get rid of the

> liquor bottles instead of changing his/her drinking habit. A Vedantic

> Sadhana in this situation is not to hide the liquor bottles but to

> develop an attitude that permanently erase the liquor Vasana. The

> Vedantic Sadhana will become complete if the drunkard doesn't get the

> urge to drink even when he/she works in a liquor store.

>

> Finally, there are no uniform rules that can satisfy all individuals

> under all situations. Vedanta doesn't prescribe any ‘Sadhana' that can

> fit individual needs to attain self-awareness whether it is ordinary or

> extraordinary. Self-unfoldment requires individual efforts and it is

> self-evolved. External guidance can help somebody and for others such

> guidance can hinder progress.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

> Burke, VA

>

>

>

>

> "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" wrote:

> >

> > "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar

> >

> > The question of discarding attachments and conditioning is

> central to many

> > spiritual paths. People speak of transformations, giving up of

> conditioning

> > etc., and attaining a finer and finer level of understanding

> and quality of

> > being. This is clearly a valid perspective and the paths of

> Yoga are based

> > on that. Even Advaitins emphasize practical aspects of

> Sadhana...............

>

>

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> > Ram Chandran <chandran

> >

> > Namaskar Harshaji:

> > The human beings have the freedom to choose any job that they want to do

> > and once chosen, they have to fulfil their obligation with 100%

> > commitment without distortion. Once we decided to have a child, we have

> > chosen a number of associated jobs (duties) which includes - parent,

> > teacher, friend, etc.. First, we should be fully aware of these

> > additional obligations and any resistance to these additional

> > obligations introduce duality and plurality. Second, while performing

> > those duties, we don't want to mix-up our duties: As a parent, we love

> > our child and show compassion and kindness but as a teacher, our

> > obligation is to teach and not to show emotional attachment. We have a

> > ‘free-will' to have a child but the ‘fate' brings the additional

> > obligations that can't be denied. The term ‘Swadharma' doesn't mean

> > full freedom and only conditional freedom. The moment Arjun chose to be

> > a warrior, he is obligated to fight the war and kill his relatives and

> > friends who join the side of his enemy.

 

"The chief foundations of all states, new as well as old or mixed, are

good laws and good arms; and because there cannot be good laws where

there are not good arms, and where there are good arms there must needs

be good laws, I will omit speaking of the laws and speak of the arms."

(Machiavelli)

> > Most of the time, to discard attachments, we seem to assume that the

> > objects are responsible for attachments. The drunkard believes that

> > the liquor is responsible for his/her problem and try to get rid of the

> > liquor bottles instead of changing his/her drinking habit. A Vedantic

> > Sadhana in this situation is not to hide the liquor bottles but to

> > develop an attitude that permanently erase the liquor Vasana. The

> > Vedantic Sadhana will become complete if the drunkard doesn't get the

> > urge to drink even when he/she works in a liquor store.

 

Or if he has to make is booze himself and wait years of fermantation to

taste is good wine he made.

 

The liquor store i as a sharp arm, in the Machiavelli sense, for the

drunkard, as is the nuclear weapon for a president.

 

I like Konrad Lorenz perpective on this, on how the organism in

evolution, finds ways to deal with those "arms" until they become as

sweet as a step dance rather than like a war machine running under heavy

laws.

 

Words like that.

 

Antoine

> > Finally, there are no uniform rules that can satisfy all individuals

> > under all situations. Vedanta doesn't prescribe any ‘Sadhana' that can

> > fit individual needs to attain self-awareness whether it is ordinary or

> > extraordinary. Self-unfoldment requires individual efforts and it is

> > self-evolved. External guidance can help somebody and for others such

> > guidance can hinder progress.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ram Chandran

> > Burke, VA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" wrote:

> > >

> > > "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar

> > >

> > > The question of discarding attachments and conditioning is

> > central to many

> > > spiritual paths. People speak of transformations, giving up of

> > conditioning

> > > etc., and attaining a finer and finer level of understanding

> > and quality of

> > > being. This is clearly a valid perspective and the paths of

> > Yoga are based

> > > on that. Even Advaitins emphasize practical aspects of

> > Sadhana...............

 

--

Through the coming, going, and the balance of life

The essential nature which illumines existence is the adorable one

May all perceive through subtle intellect

the brilliance of enlightenment.

A translation of the Gayatri Mantra

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