Guest guest Posted September 18, 1999 Report Share Posted September 18, 1999 I've been in my new home in New Mexico for several weeks now and already I can sense how the land and sky act on people, softening us up and rendering us speechless! Not wasting any time, I've also had several opportunities to watch Pueblo Indian dancing/chanting. Each time, the Kundalini energy in my body went nuts and I felt such joy. Do we have any Native Americans among us or other folks versed in Native American spirituality? I have many resources nearby that I will pursue, of course, but I'd love to know if the indigenous approach to spiritual energy is anything like what I've read about Kundalini. When I "woke up," a number of years ago, my body spontaneously went into mudras, though I didn't know what was happening at the time. I also felt compelled to dance a great deal in a way that I recognized was ritualistic but the bells didn't start ringing until I saw the Zunis last week. Amazing what we know without knowing we know! Thanks for any ideas, friends. Love, Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 1999 Report Share Posted September 19, 1999 In a message dated 9/19/1999 8:20:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, janb writes: << If "ego" doesn't get the opportunity to become a big fortress, K. awakening is natural and this can be seen in Indian art in both Americas, in fact can be seen in many so called "primitive" cultures all over the world. The only possible obstacle to natural K. awakening is made during youth and has almost become default in "modern" society. >> Great answer and, you're right, how else could it be?! Even in western society K can awaken "naturally" with age if one is willing to let the course of life erode the ego. Hmm, societies devoted to the support of K -- you've given me much to think about. Many thanks, Holly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 1999 Report Share Posted September 19, 1999 Dear Holly, In many cases, questions can be answered by rephrasing them. In your case, the question could be rephrased to: "What kind of society would be required to prevent the construction of "ego" as a big fortress?" Would that be a society without "owning", without "supremacy over nature",without a "fever for progress", without a religion that can be interpreted as "ego-centered man is God's son and inherits everything to do as he pleases"? If "ego" doesn't get the opportunity to become a big fortress, K. awakening is natural and this can be seen in Indian art in both Americas, in fact can be seen in many so called "primitive" cultures all over the world. The only possible obstacle to natural K. awakening is made during youth and has almost become default in "modern" society. Jan On 9/18/99 at 9:59 PM Hbarrett47 wrote: >Hbarrett47 > >I've been in my new home in New Mexico for several weeks now and already I >can sense how the land and sky act on people, softening us up and rendering >us speechless! Not wasting any time, I've also had several opportunities to >watch Pueblo Indian dancing/chanting. Each time, the Kundalini energy in my >body went nuts and I felt such joy. Do we have any Native Americans among us >or other folks versed in Native American spirituality? I have many resources >nearby that I will pursue, of course, but I'd love to know if the indigenous >approach to spiritual energy is anything like what I've read about Kundalini. > When I "woke up," a number of years ago, my body spontaneously went into >mudras, though I didn't know what was happening at the time. I also felt >compelled to dance a great deal in a way that I recognized was ritualistic >but the bells didn't start ringing until I saw the Zunis last week. Amazing >what we know without knowing we know! Thanks for any ideas, friends. Love, >Holly > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Celebrate the NEW ONElist! >Enter to win a trip to Hawaii! Go to: ><a href=" http://clickme./ad/hawaii2 ">Click Here</a> > >----------------------------- ---------- >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. The Radical Truth is Radiance of Awareness. It is Total Independence and Ever Present. The Truth needs no psychological or spiritual crutches. It needs no philosophy, no religion, no explanation, no teaching, and no teacher, and yet It is always their support. A true devotee relishes in the Truth. The Truth of Self-Knowledge which is Pure Intelligence. Welcome all to a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 1999 Report Share Posted September 19, 1999 Hi Holly, >I've been in my new home in New Mexico for several weeks now and already I >can sense how the land and sky act on people, softening us up and rendering >us speechless! Not wasting any time, I've also had several opportunities to >watch Pueblo Indian dancing/chanting. Each time, the Kundalini energy in my >body went nuts and I felt such joy. Do we have any Native Americans among us >or other folks versed in Native American spirituality? I'm part Iroquois, but as far as I know, the knowledge/traditions were not passed down in our family. I do know that many Indian cultures are/were of the shaman type, where each person is expected to find his own vision/truth and follow it. My father (the one with the Iroquois ancestry) told me, "You have to decide what's right for you... and then do it, no matter what anyone else says or does." >I have many resources >nearby that I will pursue, of course, but I'd love to know if the indigenous >approach to spiritual energy is anything like what I've read about Kundalini. > When I "woke up," a number of years ago, my body spontaneously went into >mudras, though I didn't know what was happening at the time. I also felt >compelled to dance a great deal in a way that I recognized was ritualistic >but the bells didn't start ringing until I saw the Zunis last week. Was your dancing enough like the Zunis' that you feel you might have lived as a Zuni in another life? As I recall, it's the Zunis who are known for being cooperative rather than competitive, and it's been shown that the nature of their language promotes that way of being. Our Indo-European languages present the world as subject/predicate, but the Zuni language is completely different. Actually, that may have been the Hopis whose language was studied, but they're all Pueblos, right? Just came across this: > http://www.timesoft.com/hopi/past.htm >a discussion of hopi prophecies... Knock off the last part, and you might be in a Hopi web site. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 1999 Report Share Posted September 19, 1999 HI Holly, Sounds like your getting use to your new home. We were in New Mexico for a short time and it was very beautiful. Joanie one of the folks on our list is very much into Native American Indian teachings. I will ask her if she knows of anything going on in New Mexico. In fact, she just recently sent me something about a gathering she was going to with the elders. I will check it out if you are interested. Gloria Dharma wrote: > Dharma <fisher1 > > Hi Holly, > > >I've been in my new home in New Mexico for several weeks now and already I > >can sense how the land and sky act on people, softening us up and rendering > >us speechless! Not wasting any time, I've also had several opportunities to > >watch Pueblo Indian dancing/chanting. Each time, the Kundalini energy in my > >body went nuts and I felt such joy. Do we have any Native Americans among us > >or other folks versed in Native American spirituality? > > I'm part Iroquois, but as far as I know, the knowledge/traditions were not > passed down in our family. > > I do know that many Indian cultures are/were of the shaman type, where each > person is expected to find his own vision/truth and follow it. My father > (the one with the Iroquois ancestry) told me, "You have to decide what's > right for you... and then do it, no matter what anyone else says or does." > > >I have many resources > >nearby that I will pursue, of course, but I'd love to know if the indigenous > >approach to spiritual energy is anything like what I've read about Kundalini. > > When I "woke up," a number of years ago, my body spontaneously went into > >mudras, though I didn't know what was happening at the time. I also felt > >compelled to dance a great deal in a way that I recognized was ritualistic > >but the bells didn't start ringing until I saw the Zunis last week. > > Was your dancing enough like the Zunis' that you feel you might have lived > as a Zuni in another life? > > As I recall, it's the Zunis who are known for being cooperative rather than > competitive, and it's been shown that the nature of their language promotes > that way of being. Our Indo-European languages present the world as > subject/predicate, but the Zuni language is completely different. > > Actually, that may have been the Hopis whose language was studied, but > they're all Pueblos, right? > > Just came across this: > > > http://www.timesoft.com/hopi/past.htm > >a discussion of hopi prophecies... > > Knock off the last part, and you might be in a Hopi web site. > > Love, > Dharma > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. The Radical Truth is Radiance of Awareness. It is Total Independence and Ever Present. The Truth needs no psychological or spiritual crutches. It needs no philosophy, no religion, no explanation, no teaching, and no teacher, and yet It is always their support. A true devotee relishes in the Truth. The Truth of Self-Knowledge which is Pure Intelligence. Welcome all to a. -- Enter The Silence to know God...and...accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at: lodpress visit my homepage & internet retreat at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 1999 Report Share Posted September 20, 1999 Jan Barendrecht wrote: > Dear Holly, > > In many cases, questions can be answered by rephrasing them. > In your case, the question could be rephrased to: "What kind > of society would be required to prevent the construction of > "ego" as a big fortress?" Would that be a society without > "owning", without "supremacy over nature",without a "fever for > progress", without a religion that can be interpreted as > "ego-centered man is God's son and inherits everything to do > as he pleases"? > > If "ego" doesn't get the opportunity to become a big fortress, > K. awakening is natural and this can be seen in Indian art in > both Americas, in fact can be seen in many so called > "primitive" cultures all over the world. The only possible > obstacle to natural K. awakening is made during youth and has > almost become default in "modern" society. > > Jan This is beautiful Jan, Comparing the formation of an ego to that of a state in politics, the approach of comparative politics becomes revealing when applied to ego and religion. The "Greek Miracle", 2000 years ago, forming the ego structure of philosopher or citizen in a democracy where they was 1 citizen for every 100 slaves. A structure well reflected in plato Republic, on body level as well as on state level. The Babylon of India, burning in the fire of kundalini, absorbing each invading culture, like a flame for wood. It's exact opposite, Rome, finding the basics pattern to invade like a spider web others cultures, simplicity of language, the efficacy of roads and basic structures of the household, etc...., leaving behind the church structure that still has it's home in Rome today. Buddhism, this strange approach born from a reaction to the sharp ruling structure, within the babylon of structures, Buddha walking away from his cultural heritage of a prince. The sharp ethical culture of Japan calling for the sharp zen approach. The mountain of Tibet's, forging Tibetan Buddhism. The master becoming an outsider, in the creation of slavery, and waking up, shaping up, the roots of Voodoo, this vital life force that is found that cannot be taken from the master upon the slave. The American Imperialism, wanting to make the All = One, McDonald, Disney, Thomas Edisson, Hollywood, Ford, etc..., nothing is outside of me. A way to see things among many, depending on which structure we allow our ego to associate or identify to. It's interesting to find out how the cells and organs seem to develop some identical patterns, as the people and the state, or ego and culture. All so fascinating in a Yi-king approach (China, a country so huge and so diverse from province to province, not surprising that the yi-king came out of it) Antoine -- Through the coming, going, and the balance of life The essential nature which illumines existence is the adorable one May all perceive through subtle intellect the brilliance of enlightenment. A translation of the Gayatri Mantra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 1999 Report Share Posted September 25, 1999 WHAT ARE ALL THESE LETTERS? M, D, K, ETC., ETC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 1999 Report Share Posted September 25, 1999 HUH? LOL FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE. MY NEWNESS IS EVIDENT. SANDY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 1999 Report Share Posted September 26, 1999 On Sat, 25 Sep 1999 SMCHERRIES wrote: > SMCHERRIES > > WHAT ARE ALL THESE LETTERS? M, D, K, ETC., ETC. M is for Munchin, a likeable furry fellow, D is for Diggoon, a rather large and purple bufoon and K, now K, she is a curious beast, In haste and fury she ceases to crease grey matter. etc, oh etc. How many praises there are of thee, Radiant in nature, Full of possibility, 3 little letters, the universe in the,, Etc! --janpa in giggles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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