Tony/Peeling the amusing onion.

[Guest guest]

>Tony: If at the last moment one decided.(before birth), to

>not occupy this particular body, (which does happen),

>but another one. Who would one be? Who would have

>the sore back, the job, wife, children?

 

Dan: How did you know I have a sore back, or was this

just a good guess? Ouch.

 

Or are we

>and they just concepts? God/Iswara is a concept, so

>where does that leave us? Even Swami is a concept,

>where are we now? Are we conceptualising now? Is it

>a case of a concept helping a concept? (Is not Ego a

>concept?)

 

Yes.

>E=MC2, or is it 3? At this speed, beyond light, there

>is no time, for that is also a relative concept. If

>there is no time, where does this leave the concept of

>reincarnation?

 

Nowhere.

 

If there is no time then who are we?

>If all is NOW, how can one experience anything or do

>anything?

 

If all is NOW, where and when is NOW?

How can one discuss how?

When will one have the experience

of oneself as experiencing?

 

Does it not take time to create something

>to be experienced?

 

Yes.

 

So where does this leave,

>'creation'?

 

Or destruction.

 

If you put a mirror in front of a mirror,

>which is the reflection? Is this not a humourous

>Lila? Or is it consciousness having fun with

>consciousness, but what is that?

 

Nothing.

 

If I am unconscious,

>what is it I am unconscious of?

 

"awareness" (but my sore back, I'm conscious of :-) )

[Guest guest]

Tony: If at the last moment one decided.(before birth), to

not occupy this particular body, (which does happen),

but another one. Who would one be? Who would have

the sore back, the job, wife, children?

 

 

ivan: Interesting question. The pain in the back seems

to be of a particular body, no (?) But i think that the question

of who would that one be, may have two possibilitys.

If the patterns are still going on that body....then the new

body/mind would feel to be a separate personality.

If the patterns stop.....

 

Tony:Or are we

and they just concepts? God/Iswara is a concept, so

where does that leave us? Even Swami is a concept,

where are we now? Are we conceptualising now? Is it

a case of a concept helping a concept? (Is not Ego a

concept?)

 

 

Ivan:Yes.

 

Tony:E=MC2, or is it 3? At this speed, beyond light, there

is no time, for that is also a relative concept. If

there is no time, where does this leave the concept of

reincarnation?

 

 

ivan: Reincarnation seems to be exactly the continuity

of the time-concept. Without time, one should look into

it with diferent eyes.....here....now.....

 

 

Tony:If there is no time then who are we?

If all is NOW, how can one experience anything or do

anything?

 

ivan: Once that this life is being experienced as a human,

one will go on as a human being....and more, it seems to me.

If creation is possible, the continuity of time in the human

dimension is also possible, not for that inner entity as *me*,

but for all those things that may be called...beauty....goodness

and cosiness of the human world. Echoes of horror and pain

and sorrow will continue....maybe increase, maybe decrease...

 

 

Tony:If all is NOW, where and when is NOW?

 

ivan:in a place called nowhere, no place....

 

 

Tony:How can one discuss how?

When will one have the experience

of oneself as experiencing?

 

ivan:Life is being itsef. Meaning is being.

 

Tony:Does it not take time to create something

to be experienced?

 

Ivan:Yes.

 

Tony:So where does this leave,

'creation'?

 

ivan:It is being it.

 

Tony:If you put a mirror in front of a mirror,

which is the reflection? Is this not a humourous

Lila? Or is it consciousness having fun with

consciousness, but what is that?

If I am unconscious,

what is it I am unconscious of?

 

ivan:The content and the conteiner are the same.