Guest guest Posted September 25, 1999 Report Share Posted September 25, 1999 In a message dated 09/25/1999 12:06:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, aoclery writes: << Greg; Anandamayakosa, Sathyaloka, Brahmaloka are one and the same thing. The highest level in illusion. Unconscious of; Yes there is no 'of' ultimately, I believe. For there is only Nirguna Brahman. Deep sleep is free from agitations,vikalpas, however is still a thought and in illusion. Unconscious it is Sushupti, aware is Savikalpa Samadhi? "The mind undergoes two steps while being destroyed, Rupa laya, annihilation of patterns of the mind and Arupa laya, annihilation of the mind." Sai Baba. >> Yes! This is what i have been reflecting on, how the mind's mental constructs are dissolved as ego dissolves to allow Soul clear passage ... that divine cannot move thru rigid constructs of systems ... or constructs of systems because then it is held in belief and the *know* is in constant evolution to the eternal moment of Now ... L*L*L Rainbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 1999 Report Share Posted September 25, 1999 On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 09:08:47AM -0700, Tony O'Clery wrote: Tony, I see where you're coming from now, and agree. All koshas and all lokas are part of maya. There are no "of's" because there is just nirguna Brahman. The witness, as Sai Baba points out, is beyond the "I" -- and I would add because it is the "I" that arises to the witness. There is no proof that there is deep sleep - deep sleep is just a thought that arises, just as the waking state is a thought that arises. The thought I just had is a thought that arises NOW, so there's no proof there was another thought. In fact if there was no previous thought, there can't be said to be a present thought, for where there is one, there are two; if not two, then not one. So Nirguna is all there is. Let's have a cup of tea! With love, --Greg > Greg; Anandamayakosa, Sathyaloka, Brahmaloka are one > and the same thing. The highest level in illusion. > > Unconscious of; Yes there is no 'of' ultimately, I > believe. For there is only Nirguna Brahman. > > Deep sleep is free from agitations,vikalpas, however > is still a thought and in illusion. Unconscious it is > Sushupti, aware is Savikalpa Samadhi? > > "The mind undergoes two steps while being destroyed, > Rupa laya, annihilation of patterns of the mind and > Arupa laya, annihilation of the mind." Sai Baba. > > "As a matter of fact, so long as 'I',persists the > state of Sakshi, witness, is unattainable." Sai Baba. > > Witness is Savikalpa I feel. > > Love and Sai Ram, Tony. > > I chant in Vancouver,Canada and in Coogee, Sydney, > when I visit family in Oz. > > > ===== > http://members.xoom.com/aoclery/ > > Keep on truckin-Chant the Gayatri! > > "God is formless. In order to merge in the formless God, > you have to give up identification with the body." > "There is only one Soul and that is God." Sai Baba. > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Nowhere is Now Here. All paths, places, and sights and perceptions exist only in the Space of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Here. You are not "in" the now. You Are the Now! Here is Home. Home is where True Rest Is. Home is where the Heart Is. It is the Seer resting in the Seer, the Self-Nature, the Buddha Nature, or call it what you will. The Radical Truth is Radiance of Awareness. It is both the path, process, and the goal. It is Finality of Being without any support. It is Total Independence and Ever Present. The Truth of the Self needs no psychological or spiritual crutches. It needs no philosophy, no religion, no explanation, no teaching, and no teacher, and yet It is always their support. A true devotee relishes in the Truth. The Truth of Self-Knowledge which is Pure Intelligence. Welcome all to a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 1999 Report Share Posted September 26, 1999 Hi Greg, >I see where you're coming from now, and agree. All koshas and all >lokas are part of maya. There are no "of's" because there is just >nirguna Brahman. The witness, as Sai Baba points out, is beyond the >"I" -- and I would add because it is the "I" that arises to the >witness. There is no proof that there is deep sleep - deep sleep is >just a thought that arises, What about all the work at places like the DreamClinic at Maimonides Hospital in NYC? All those people sleeping in the lab, hooked up to EEG machines... Something is getting measured and studied there... Seems ot me if you don't want to call it deep sleep, you just have to come up with another term for it. > just as the waking state is a thought that >arises. No, being awake is not a thought. I can be fully conscious and not thinking at all... no thought. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 1999 Report Share Posted September 27, 1999 In a message dated 9/25/99 9:23:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, goode writes: << There are no "of's" because there is just nirguna Brahman. The witness, as Sai Baba points out, is beyond the "I" -- and I would add because it is the "I" that arises to the witness. There is no proof that there is deep sleep - deep sleep is just a thought that arises, just as the waking state is a thought that arises. The thought I just had is a thought that arises NOW, so there's no proof there was another thought. In fact if there was no previous thought, there can't be said to be a present thought, for where there is one, there are two; if not two, then not one. So Nirguna is all there is. Let's have a cup of tea! >> Yes, exactly. It happens when "we" are not present. That's the fun part of the mystery. Yet, we retain part of its quality, now added to our own nature or greater mind...something that we recall in an unforgettable, but somehow imperfect image or sense of the timeless event. It is much like trying to describe three dimensional objects to creatures living in two dimensional space...or raised to a higher order, like five dimensional creatures attempting to describe their reality to us. As you wisely observe, the only correct answer is Tea, and a good Green Tea, at that. My Tea is your Tea... I will keep the pot brewing... Blessings Love, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 1999 Report Share Posted September 27, 1999 At 01:50 PM 9/27/99 , ZEN2WRK wrote: >As you wisely observe, the only correct answer is Tea, and a good Green Tea, >at that. Hey Mr. Zenbob, You have familiarity with things Asian, correct? Zen, and didn't you mention Kyojiman incense before? This is all dear to my heart... --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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