Guest guest Posted September 27, 1999 Report Share Posted September 27, 1999 Beautifully Lucid, Dan, a pleasure to read such clarity. L*L*L ~Rainbo~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 1999 Report Share Posted September 27, 1999 >Zenbob: This is the primordial before state...the eternal moment of inaction that is >referred to in the Vedas...such preeminent states of non duality and inaction >must however contain content, because it is from all such states of pure >potential that all matter, motion, time and space arises. Dan: What appears to arise as matter, motion, time and space is contentless. It is we who *describe* things as matter, motion, etc. Pure potentiality and manifestation form a seemless nondual action that occurs instantaneously. Quite paradoxical to language and thought -- potential and manifestation imply time and becoming, yet reverse into timeless nonbeing in a moment. ZB: This will always >reduce to a "chicken and egg" argument, but let us be satisfied that an >original preeminent state of pure potential, perfect and complete comprised >the whole of all things, all thought, all space, time, and energy. D: This origin is here/now, not different than "all things" and not separable from any "state" ZB: This is >fully consistent with modern cosmology, and is a point along a time line that >can be mapped. D: Timeless, not a geometric point - *a point within all points* and *including the entire universe* at the same "moment" ZB: Since it has a place in space time, it has content. D: Since it's nonlocalizable, it doesn't. ZB: In fact, >it has all content. Every possible thing, every event proceeds from this >original potential. D: Yes - constantly and instantly ZB: Can we define this with any accuracy? Perhaps not. D: Absolutely not! :-) >ZB: But, I am comforted in the experience that this pure point of absolute >potential is best described as Pure Thought and that this Pure Thought passes >throughout the universe, ever growing, expanding and differentiating into >things of wonder and beauty...separate and yet, never truly separated. D: I am comforted in the nondescribability of this "pure point" which is beyond thought - complete, perfect, yet in no way separate from everything that appears to us as time, growth, expansion, and differentiation. Peace in One - Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 1999 Report Share Posted September 27, 1999 "Dan Berkow, PhD" wrote: > "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd > > >Zenbob: This is the primordial before state...the eternal moment of > inaction that is > >referred to in the Vedas...such preeminent states of non duality and > inaction > >must however contain content, because it is from all such states of pure > >potential that all matter, motion, time and space arises. > > Dan: What appears to arise as matter, motion, time and space is > contentless. It is we who *describe* things as matter, motion, etc. > Pure potentiality and manifestation form a seemless nondual action > that occurs instantaneously. Quite paradoxical to language and thought > -- potential and manifestation imply time and becoming, yet reverse > into timeless nonbeing in a moment. > > ZB: This will always > >reduce to a "chicken and egg" argument, but let us be satisfied that an > >original preeminent state of pure potential, perfect and complete comprised > >the whole of all things, all thought, all space, time, and energy. > > D: This origin is here/now, not different than "all things" and not separable > from any "state" > > ZB: This is > >fully consistent with modern cosmology, and is a point along a time line > that > >can be mapped. > > D: Timeless, not a geometric point - *a point within all points* and > *including > the entire universe* at the same "moment" > > ZB: Since it has a place in space time, it has content. > > D: Since it's nonlocalizable, it doesn't. > > ZB: In fact, > >it has all content. Every possible thing, every event proceeds from this > >original potential. > > D: Yes - constantly and instantly > > ZB: Can we define this with any accuracy? Perhaps not. > > D: Absolutely not! :-) > > >ZB: But, I am comforted in the experience that this pure point of absolute > >potential is best described as Pure Thought and that this Pure Thought > passes > >throughout the universe, ever growing, expanding and differentiating into > >things of wonder and beauty...separate and yet, never truly separated. Yes I cannot describe it as Thought. Seems to me it is just Being No Thought Thought to me .. is the action Inaction is the still point Singularity Totality No Thing No Thought It seems an inner state Thoughts seem Riding above the surface Dancing :-) Col > D: I am comforted in the nondescribability of this "pure point" which is > beyond thought - complete, perfect, yet in no way separate from everything > that appears to us as time, growth, expansion, and differentiation. > > Peace in One - Dan Yes not thought. Nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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