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Dear Ivan,

What would your definition of mind be?

If it is, as you say, an object, you must be able to describe it to me.

Thank you,

 

Mira

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> >ivan: Friend Greg. All materiality (as an exemple) is gathered in the

> >mind. But

> >the mind itself is gathered in the mind. So all what we see, hear, smell

> >...perceive

> >is awlready in it's final and finished stage. What you friend Berckley

states,

> >includes the flaw of not taking mind itsef as being a mind object.

> >No, this human

> >dimension if looked upon non-fragmentarily, is an integer manifestation

in

> >emptiness

> >...without a mind. Any mind is only a projected conceptual notion.

> >Non-duality is

> >content and conteiner being the same...wich results in: "This is being

> >it" as manifestation itself. NOthing is interpreting it

> >.....further....Only content....no

> >conteiner...as a mind.

>

>

> Well then why ask about materiality?

>

> Oh yes, Berkeley is not a non-dualist officially, but he has been

> criticized in the Western tradition for somehow believing in a mind

> substance. There is an esoteric side to Berkeley however, where late in

> life he repudiates even that. But he was a bishop in the Anglican church.

>

> Mind can't gather in the mind. If the mind's activities can be noticed,

> then the mind must be appearing to something anterior to the mind....

>

> --Greg

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Mira: Dear Ivan,

What would your definition of mind be?

If it is, as you say, an object, you must be able to describe it to me.

Thank you,

 

ivan: When scientists begun to understand the human phisiology,

they found the brain. The brain is a complex organ where moust of the

nerve endings gather. It became evident that sensory data was

gathered and processed in the brain. So the scientific meaning

of mind is very similar to brain -- in its perceptual more subtle mode.

Now, if you take the notion of mind from the sanscrit literature, then

it is something else. It is sinonimous to "field" or "dimension". And,

now we are saying that this human dimension is "floating" in emptiness.

If you whant to use the "mind terminology", it would go like this:

"the mind of mankind is within the universal mind". But, there is no

manifestation

apart from mind . So there is no such thing as mind and it´s contents.

Its not Ivan trying to impose some weird ideias on you. It is fact!

All is being it as it is. This is being lived here. What mind is interpreting,

describing? And describing what to whom? LOL LOL

 

Mira

*Mirror*

 

 

 

 

http://welcome.to/mirror

 

> >ivan: Friend Greg. All materiality (as an exemple) is gathered in the

> >mind. But

> >the mind itself is gathered in the mind. So all what we see, hear, smell

> >...perceive

> >is awlready in it's final and finished stage. What you friend Berckley

states,

> >includes the flaw of not taking mind itsef as being a mind object.

> >No, this human

> >dimension if looked upon non-fragmentarily, is an integer manifestation

in

> >emptiness

> >...without a mind. Any mind is only a projected conceptual notion.

> >Non-duality is

> >content and conteiner being the same...wich results in: "This is being

> >it" as manifestation itself. NOthing is interpreting it

> >.....further....Only content....no

> >conteiner...as a mind.

>

>

> Well then why ask about materiality?

>

> Oh yes, Berkeley is not a non-dualist officially, but he has been

> criticized in the Western tradition for somehow believing in a mind

> substance. There is an esoteric side to Berkeley however, where late in

> life he repudiates even that. But he was a bishop in the Anglican church.

>

> Mind can't gather in the mind. If the mind's activities can be noticed,

> then the mind must be appearing to something anterior to the mind....

>

> --Greg

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Nowhere is Now Here. All paths,

places, and sights and perceptions exist only in the Space of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Here. You are not "in" the now. You

Are the Now! Here is Home. Home is where True Rest Is. Home is where the Heart

Is. It is the Seer resting in the Seer, the Self-Nature, the Buddha Nature, or

call it what you will. The Radical Truth is Radiance of Awareness. It is both

the path, process, and the goal. It is Finality of Being without any support. It

is Total Independence and Ever Present. The Truth of the Self needs no

psychological or spiritual crutches. It needs no philosophy, no religion, no

explanation, no teaching, and no teacher, and yet It is always their support. A

true devotee relishes in the Truth. The Truth of Self-Knowledge which is Pure

Intelligence. Welcome all to a.

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