Guest guest Posted September 27, 1999 Report Share Posted September 27, 1999 Dear Ivan, What would your definition of mind be? If it is, as you say, an object, you must be able to describe it to me. Thank you, Mira *Mirror* http://welcome.to/mirror > >ivan: Friend Greg. All materiality (as an exemple) is gathered in the > >mind. But > >the mind itself is gathered in the mind. So all what we see, hear, smell > >...perceive > >is awlready in it's final and finished stage. What you friend Berckley states, > >includes the flaw of not taking mind itsef as being a mind object. > >No, this human > >dimension if looked upon non-fragmentarily, is an integer manifestation in > >emptiness > >...without a mind. Any mind is only a projected conceptual notion. > >Non-duality is > >content and conteiner being the same...wich results in: "This is being > >it" as manifestation itself. NOthing is interpreting it > >.....further....Only content....no > >conteiner...as a mind. > > > Well then why ask about materiality? > > Oh yes, Berkeley is not a non-dualist officially, but he has been > criticized in the Western tradition for somehow believing in a mind > substance. There is an esoteric side to Berkeley however, where late in > life he repudiates even that. But he was a bishop in the Anglican church. > > Mind can't gather in the mind. If the mind's activities can be noticed, > then the mind must be appearing to something anterior to the mind.... > > --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 1999 Report Share Posted September 27, 1999 Mira: Dear Ivan, What would your definition of mind be? If it is, as you say, an object, you must be able to describe it to me. Thank you, ivan: When scientists begun to understand the human phisiology, they found the brain. The brain is a complex organ where moust of the nerve endings gather. It became evident that sensory data was gathered and processed in the brain. So the scientific meaning of mind is very similar to brain -- in its perceptual more subtle mode. Now, if you take the notion of mind from the sanscrit literature, then it is something else. It is sinonimous to "field" or "dimension". And, now we are saying that this human dimension is "floating" in emptiness. If you whant to use the "mind terminology", it would go like this: "the mind of mankind is within the universal mind". But, there is no manifestation apart from mind . So there is no such thing as mind and it´s contents. Its not Ivan trying to impose some weird ideias on you. It is fact! All is being it as it is. This is being lived here. What mind is interpreting, describing? And describing what to whom? LOL LOL Mira *Mirror* http://welcome.to/mirror > >ivan: Friend Greg. All materiality (as an exemple) is gathered in the > >mind. But > >the mind itself is gathered in the mind. So all what we see, hear, smell > >...perceive > >is awlready in it's final and finished stage. What you friend Berckley states, > >includes the flaw of not taking mind itsef as being a mind object. > >No, this human > >dimension if looked upon non-fragmentarily, is an integer manifestation in > >emptiness > >...without a mind. Any mind is only a projected conceptual notion. > >Non-duality is > >content and conteiner being the same...wich results in: "This is being > >it" as manifestation itself. NOthing is interpreting it > >.....further....Only content....no > >conteiner...as a mind. > > > Well then why ask about materiality? > > Oh yes, Berkeley is not a non-dualist officially, but he has been > criticized in the Western tradition for somehow believing in a mind > substance. There is an esoteric side to Berkeley however, where late in > life he repudiates even that. But he was a bishop in the Anglican church. > > Mind can't gather in the mind. If the mind's activities can be noticed, > then the mind must be appearing to something anterior to the mind.... > > --Greg All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Nowhere is Now Here. All paths, places, and sights and perceptions exist only in the Space of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Here. You are not "in" the now. You Are the Now! Here is Home. Home is where True Rest Is. Home is where the Heart Is. It is the Seer resting in the Seer, the Self-Nature, the Buddha Nature, or call it what you will. The Radical Truth is Radiance of Awareness. It is both the path, process, and the goal. It is Finality of Being without any support. It is Total Independence and Ever Present. The Truth of the Self needs no psychological or spiritual crutches. It needs no philosophy, no religion, no explanation, no teaching, and no teacher, and yet It is always their support. A true devotee relishes in the Truth. The Truth of Self-Knowledge which is Pure Intelligence. Welcome all to a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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