Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 At 09:09 AM 9/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >"Debora A. Orf" <dorf01 > >On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Jan Barendrecht wrote: >> The question is always "a shortcut for whom?" and there are >> many shortcuts. Fact is, they worked "best" for the >> originators; the shortcut was their natural path. Likewise, >> everyone has such a natural path but it isn't recognized, thus >> creating followers of existing paths. > > janpa: The traditional answer is for those who cant stand watching suffering, >that they elect to take the bungie jump into freedom. > >"short" doesnt mean "easy" either. the Vajrayana's way is one of total >immersion, or nothing else. You cant do it halfway, or you are not even >doing it imo. Its like the pressure needed to transform coal into a >diamond. Its intense, and if not done correctly, you wont end up with the >desired product. Dan: Already present is That which is. Coal can't be transformed into it, yet nothing is apart from It - what other "desired product" could there be? >janpa: Vajrayana is for those folks who like to test the water of the pool by >jumping into the deep end first. Dan: What is the Way for those who simply slip in wherever they happen to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 >> Dan: >> Already present is That which is. Coal can't be transformed into it, yet >> nothing is apart from It - what other "desired product" could there be? > >j: Well if you're talking carbon transformation, there is quartz, graphite, >buckminster fullerenes etc. Point is, only the right amount of >directed pressure will transform a base carbon product into a diamond >crystal, like the pressure of Vajrayana practise done correctly will yield >its product. Dan: Yes, coal can be turned into diamond. Practice yields a product. And already present is That. Turning coal into diamond is useful for making zirconium, and many activities have desired goals. There are technologies for all kinds of products. Yet, there is Something that is not, nor ever will be a product - won't be produced by any technique... >> >janpa: Vajrayana is for those folks who like to test the water of the >> pool by >> >jumping into the deep end first. >> >> Dan: >> What is the Way for those who simply slip in wherever they happen to >> be? > > >then you could hit your head diving into the shallow end . Dan: that's why I just *slip* in... :-) > >j: maybe its actually for those who need to be drug kicking and screaming >into the pool to be thrown into the deep end to learn to swim . > >D: sink or swim ... all or nothing at all :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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