[NondualitySalon] Fruitless talk

[Guest guest]

> These days, non-committing relations are en vogue; among

> others, it means a preference for cyber-relations, living as

> data in the computer and as fantasy in the mind. Consider it a

> kind of guarantee against disappointment that could easily be

> caused by confrontation with "the real thing".

 

Geez, I don't know, Jan. If I've ever known anything about

commitment, I've known it online. It's a different kind of

communication, but I feel the same sense of commitment. Many

here are committed, included yourself. I know the people I

communicate with are real people. I feel they're real, and

I've certainly set myself up for all kinds of

disappointment, haven't avoided it, and have come to

experience emotion in these relationships. I believe that's

true for many here. Commitments have been made and are kept.

Situations that could have been avoided or terminated have

been faced.

 

> That doesn't sound like one having fun at all Why expect

> anything from a mailing list? It is just a means to share

> views and experiences. Anyone looking for "more" will probably

> get disappointed. But thanks for the reminder that here, 4

> years without Internet provides the savings for a nice used

> car - I'll keep it in mind.

>

> Jan

 

I think the mailing list experience can be more than sharing

views and experiences. I see greater familiarity happening

in the chat room. I see people coming together in person and

liking it. Yeah, the email experience is sanitized and

convenient, but there are ways of bringing it closer to the

nature of real meetings. That's a whole other subject.

 

Jerry

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/30/1999 12:56:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

umbada writes:

 

<<

> That doesn't sound like one having fun at all Why expect

> anything from a mailing list? It is just a means to share

> views and experiences. Anyone looking for "more" will probably

> get disappointed. But thanks for the reminder that here, 4

> years without Internet provides the savings for a nice used

> car - I'll keep it in mind.

>

> Jan

 

I think the mailing list experience can be more than sharing

views and experiences. I see greater familiarity happening

in the chat room. I see people coming together in person and

liking it. Yeah, the email experience is sanitized and

convenient, but there are ways of bringing it closer to the

nature of real meetings. That's a whole other subject.

 

Jerry

>>

>From experience, I've been on the Internet a very long time. Because I have

some very specialized interests which are not that common, I've come to meet

a great deal of people that I've known on the Internet and some quite

miraculous events have occurred because of it.

 

One current example, a friend of mine locally (Mark an anaetheologist) ran a

medical mission to Sarajevo, and was skilled in putting this sort of team

together. So, I asked Mark to organize. I had met someone else (a doc on

the internet) who said the need in Nepal was great. One of that country's

princes is a very dear and old friend of mine (Rajiv Dhungel). I put the

three of them together and guess where they are now? In Nepal offering a

team of specialists, including two energy healers who work with two of the

surgeons, to the impoverished, (with my sister who loves this running around

the world on medical missions).

 

The Internet is one of the most incredible and remarkeable tools of our Age,

and I think we have only seen the very tip of the incredible capacity this

vast network has. The other thing that I've seen is that people's ability to

trust and know those they meet, and to develop their intuitive skills is

unbelievable. The more people you meet IRL (in real life) that you've met on

the Internet, the more you know how valid your intuition or that energy

reading the fingers on the keyboard is :-) Try it, you'll like it ... *g*

 

L*L*L

~ Rainbo ~

[Guest guest]

On 9/30/99 at 1:56 PM umbada wrote:

>umbada (Jerry M. Katz)

>

>> These days, non-committing relations are en vogue; among

>> others, it means a preference for cyber-relations, living

as

>> data in the computer and as fantasy in the mind. Consider

it a

>> kind of guarantee against disappointment that could easily

be

>> caused by confrontation with "the real thing".

>

>Geez, I don't know, Jan. If I've ever known anything about

>commitment, I've known it online. It's a different kind of

>communication, but I feel the same sense of commitment. Many

>here are committed, included yourself. I know the people I

>communicate with are real people. I feel they're real, and

>I've certainly set myself up for all kinds of

>disappointment, haven't avoided it, and have come to

>experience emotion in these relationships. I believe that's

>true for many here. Commitments have been made and are kept.

>Situations that could have been avoided or terminated have

>been faced.

 

The comments about commitment were based on several

documentaries concerning "relations and Internet", mainly

concerning the age-group from 12...20. Questions were put like

"do you want to meet the one you're chatting with in person"

and the answers were a definite "no!". For those, knowing

commitment "old style" there isn't much of a change. As there

are infinite shades between black and white, there isn't a

borderline between full and no commitment.

>

>> That doesn't sound like one having fun at all Why expect

>> anything from a mailing list? It is just a means to share

>> views and experiences. Anyone looking for "more" will

probably

>> get disappointed. But thanks for the reminder that here, 4

>> years without Internet provides the savings for a nice used

>> car - I'll keep it in mind.

>>

>> Jan

>

>I think the mailing list experience can be more than sharing

>views and experiences. I see greater familiarity happening

>in the chat room. I see people coming together in person and

>liking it. Yeah, the email experience is sanitized and

>convenient, but there are ways of bringing it closer to the

>nature of real meetings. That's a whole other subject.

>

>Jerry

 

I've always seen (E-) mail as an easy substitute for

meeting_in _person; if one is knowing someone very well, there

are no barriers. On an mailing list, one gets to know each

other by the posts; to mention just one big difference: the

silent ones (lurkers). In a personal contact, hiding by

silence would be impossible as facial expression and dynamics

(among others) are telling their story Then, there are the

cases where putting a hand on a shoulder would be appropriate

instead of writing a letter...

I can't comment on the chat room; apparently it is full when I

am taking a few hours of sleep and empty when receiving mail

BTW, when will it become full video/audio? That would be a

nice improvement...

 

Jan

 

Jan