Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 In a message dated 9/30/99 3:17:48 PM Central Daylight Time, berkowd writes: << Spontaneous awareness doesn't seem from here to be dependent on anything >> Yes. Back to 'eat when hungry - sleep when tired'. <g> diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 ><< What is the Way for those who simply slip in wherever they happen to > be? >> > >From my understanding (I realize I jumped in here - I couldn't resist), if >one can go to direct experience of the Primordial Self - it is called >dzogchen. Or possibly zen (I am not as familiar with zen). Meditation - >without meditating. > >diana Dan: Hi, Diana. Glad you jumped in. The water's great! (Long as you don't hit your head when you dive). Call it the Primordial Self if you wish, or dzogchen, or zen. All of these have a more lofty ring than "Herbie." Probably it's no concern to "Herbie" what we call him, although it does seem to matter a lot to us. Meditation without meditating - yes, this is resonant with my way of thinking about this (thinking without thinking, that is). The approach of no approach. Reminds me of a Bruce Lee movie I once saw where he said, "My way is to fight without fighting." He "stole" that from an old Zen story, but I wasn't about to tell *him* that. So - the already there, always there, never absent One. No need to add to it, subtract from it, find it, or leave it. I understand that there are as many ways to express It as there are people - whether they dive in, slip in, stay right where they are - it all seems to work out... whether they change coal to diamond, or lead to gold, or their commense sense to uncommon no-nonsense - it all works out... Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 ><< dan: Already present is That which is. Coal can't be transformed into it, yet > > nothing is apart from It - what other "desired product" could there be? >> > >Diana: Well <g> - try to imagine a lump of coal that was CONVINCED that it could >never be a diamond. Even though it 'is' diamond material. It is not now a >diamond - and needs transformative work. Although all the raw diamond >material is abundantly present in the coal's natural state. Dan: Imagine... "That" believing itself a lump of coal. That's even stranger. Well, then, the tranformative work ends up to be realizing that no transformative work is needed - that's transformation :-) >>Diana: The catalyst - would be vajrayana. If the coal could become spontaneously >aware of its own true nature as a diamond - that would be dzogchen. > Dan: I'll accept your definitions of these things. Meanwhile, I feel free to enjoy the diamond-nature of all that is - glad that I have the ability for spontaneous awareness. Spontaneous awareness doesn't seem from here to be dependent on anything --- Love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 ><< Dan: Spontaneous > awareness doesn't seem from here to be dependent on anything >> > >Yes. Back to 'eat when hungry - sleep when tired'. <g> >diana Dan: "Eat when hungry - sleep when tired - type when... when.... whoops - eat when hungry - sleep when tired" <g> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 Hi Dan, >><< What is the Way for those who simply slip in wherever they happen to >> be? >> >> >>Diana: >>From my understanding (I realize I jumped in here - I couldn't resist), if >>one can go to direct experience of the Primordial Self - it is called >>dzogchen. Or possibly zen (I am not as familiar with zen). Meditation - >>without meditating. >> >Dan: > Hi, Diana. Glad you jumped in. The water's great! (Long >as you > don't hit your head when you dive). Call it the Primordial Self if > you wish, or dzogchen, or zen. All of these have a more lofty > ring than "Herbie." Probably it's no concern to "Herbie" what we > call him, although it does seem to matter a lot to us. Meditation > without meditating - yes, this is resonant with my way of thinking > > about this (thinking without thinking, that is). The approach of > no approach. It's also easier than Vajrayana... saves all that work! ))))))) Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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