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In a message dated 9/30/99 3:17:48 PM Central Daylight Time,

berkowd writes:

 

<< Spontaneous

awareness doesn't seem from here to be dependent on anything >>

 

Yes. Back to 'eat when hungry - sleep when tired'. <g>

diana

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><< What is the Way for those who simply slip in wherever they happen to

> be? >>

>

>From my understanding (I realize I jumped in here - I couldn't resist), if

>one can go to direct experience of the Primordial Self - it is called

>dzogchen. Or possibly zen (I am not as familiar with zen). Meditation -

>without meditating.

>

>diana

 

Dan: Hi, Diana. Glad you jumped in. The water's great! (Long as you

don't hit your head when you dive). Call it the Primordial Self if

you wish, or dzogchen, or zen. All of these have a more lofty

ring than "Herbie." Probably it's no concern to "Herbie" what we

call him, although it does seem to matter a lot to us. Meditation

without meditating - yes, this is resonant with my way of thinking

about this (thinking without thinking, that is). The approach of

no approach. Reminds me of a Bruce Lee movie I once saw where he

said, "My way is to fight without fighting." He "stole" that from

an old Zen story, but I wasn't about to tell *him* that.

 

So - the already there, always there, never absent One.

No need to add to it, subtract from it, find it, or

leave it. I understand that there are as many ways to express

It as there are people - whether they dive in, slip in, stay

right where they are - it all seems to work out... whether

they change coal to diamond, or lead to gold, or their commense

sense to uncommon no-nonsense - it all works out...

 

Love, Dan

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><< dan: Already present is That which is. Coal can't be transformed into

it, yet

> > nothing is apart from It - what other "desired product" could there be? >>

>

>Diana: Well <g> - try to imagine a lump of coal that was CONVINCED that

it could

>never be a diamond. Even though it 'is' diamond material. It is not now a

>diamond - and needs transformative work. Although all the raw diamond

>material is abundantly present in the coal's natural state.

 

Dan: Imagine... "That" believing itself a lump of coal. That's even

stranger.

Well, then, the tranformative work ends up to be realizing

that no transformative work is needed - that's transformation :-)

>>Diana: The catalyst - would be vajrayana. If the coal could become

spontaneously

>aware of its own true nature as a diamond - that would be dzogchen.

>

Dan: I'll accept your definitions of these things. Meanwhile, I feel

free to enjoy the diamond-nature of all that is - glad that

I have the ability for spontaneous awareness. Spontaneous

awareness doesn't seem from here to be dependent on anything

--- Love

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><< Dan: Spontaneous

> awareness doesn't seem from here to be dependent on anything >>

>

>Yes. Back to 'eat when hungry - sleep when tired'. <g>

>diana

 

Dan: "Eat when hungry - sleep when tired - type when... when....

whoops - eat when hungry - sleep when tired" <g>

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Hi Dan,

>><< What is the Way for those who simply slip in wherever they happen to

>> be? >>

>>

>>Diana:

>>From my understanding (I realize I jumped in here - I couldn't resist), if

>>one can go to direct experience of the Primordial Self - it is called

>>dzogchen. Or possibly zen (I am not as familiar with zen). Meditation -

>>without meditating.

>>

>Dan:

> Hi, Diana. Glad you jumped in. The water's great! (Long

>as you

> don't hit your head when you dive). Call it the Primordial Self if

> you wish, or dzogchen, or zen. All of these have a more lofty

> ring than "Herbie." Probably it's no concern to "Herbie" what we

> call him, although it does seem to matter a lot to us. Meditation

> without meditating - yes, this is resonant with my way of thinking

>

> about this (thinking without thinking, that is). The approach of

> no approach.

 

 

It's also easier than Vajrayana... saves all that work! :))))))))

 

Love,

Dharma

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