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In a message dated 9/30/99 8:03:32 PM Central Daylight Time, janb

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<< For some, the direct experience of this Primordial Self comes

spontaneously, without any knowledge even of its existence or

meditation. Yet transformations will take place, but the sense

of it is different, more like transformations are happening

and concerning "shell", not "essence". >>

 

Yes! I left out the part - Buddhist philosophy is that everyone has Buddha

Nature (Divine Essence). The Essence - is unchangable. In Tibetan Buddhism -

this Essence is referred to (in dzogchen) as Primordial Mind.

 

Essence transcends time and space - and is unchangeable. Only the shell Ego

(obscuration) is changed and shifted - to allow the shining through of

Primordial Mind. In Tibetan Buddhism - it is referred to as "the sun being

hidden by clouds".

 

diana

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In a message dated 10/01/1999 6:30:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Xena10000 writes:

 

<<

Essence transcends time and space - and is unchangeable. Only the shell Ego

(obscuration) is changed and shifted - to allow the shining through of

Primordial Mind. In Tibetan Buddhism - it is referred to as "the sun being

hidden by clouds".

 

diana

>>

This is beautiful Diana, thank you :-)

 

L*L*L

~ RRR ~

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In a message dated 10/1/99 8:32:17 AM Central Daylight Time,

inandor writes:

 

<< If this Primordial Mind desapears.....something will remain,

 

untouched....unquestionable....unfathomable....and....and...and...absolutly...

alone - as This totality - without another to make up a duo. >>

 

In Tibetan Buddhism - the totality to which you refer - observerless and at

the Core of all being (hence the word Primoridal - meaning from the very

beginning) - is called the Primordial Mind. We are saying the same thing. <g>

Tibetans have given this experience a name. But within dzogchen care is used

to define it. Mostly - Primordial Mind is described in terms of what it is

'not'. It cannot really be expressed in words.

 

If you are interested in reading about the Tibetan understanding of this -

"Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State" by Namkhai Norbu - has a very clear

explanation. It is not a technical oriented book - and is written with

complete explanations, and also explains the origins of dzogchen practice in

Tibet. And how the practice of dzogchen (no matter what one calls it) -

transcends all dogma, sects, and religious affiliation. It is a Human

experience.

 

diana

 

diana

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In a message dated 10/01/1999 6:30:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Xena10000 writes:

 

<<

Essence transcends time and space - and is unchangeable. Only the shell Ego

(obscuration) is changed and shifted - to allow the shining through of

Primordial Mind. In Tibetan Buddhism - it is referred to as "the sun being

hidden by clouds".

 

diana

 

 

Geovani: I feel that Primordial Mind is a very good stand to stay as soon

as one sees that there is not a centered observer inside. But it still may be

the inner self projecting an expanded awareness as a concept. Some call

this as Centerless Awareness. But it is worthwile to question if the mind

was not tricked....If this Primordial Mind desapears.....something will remain,

untouched....unquestionable....unfathomable....and....and...and...absolutly...

alone - as This totality - without another to make up a duo.

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