Guest guest Posted October 1, 1999 Report Share Posted October 1, 1999 In a message dated 9/30/99 8:03:32 PM Central Daylight Time, janb writes: << For some, the direct experience of this Primordial Self comes spontaneously, without any knowledge even of its existence or meditation. Yet transformations will take place, but the sense of it is different, more like transformations are happening and concerning "shell", not "essence". >> Yes! I left out the part - Buddhist philosophy is that everyone has Buddha Nature (Divine Essence). The Essence - is unchangable. In Tibetan Buddhism - this Essence is referred to (in dzogchen) as Primordial Mind. Essence transcends time and space - and is unchangeable. Only the shell Ego (obscuration) is changed and shifted - to allow the shining through of Primordial Mind. In Tibetan Buddhism - it is referred to as "the sun being hidden by clouds". diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 1999 Report Share Posted October 1, 1999 In a message dated 10/01/1999 6:30:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Xena10000 writes: << Essence transcends time and space - and is unchangeable. Only the shell Ego (obscuration) is changed and shifted - to allow the shining through of Primordial Mind. In Tibetan Buddhism - it is referred to as "the sun being hidden by clouds". diana >> This is beautiful Diana, thank you :-) L*L*L ~ RRR ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 1999 Report Share Posted October 1, 1999 In a message dated 10/1/99 8:32:17 AM Central Daylight Time, inandor writes: << If this Primordial Mind desapears.....something will remain, untouched....unquestionable....unfathomable....and....and...and...absolutly... alone - as This totality - without another to make up a duo. >> In Tibetan Buddhism - the totality to which you refer - observerless and at the Core of all being (hence the word Primoridal - meaning from the very beginning) - is called the Primordial Mind. We are saying the same thing. <g> Tibetans have given this experience a name. But within dzogchen care is used to define it. Mostly - Primordial Mind is described in terms of what it is 'not'. It cannot really be expressed in words. If you are interested in reading about the Tibetan understanding of this - "Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State" by Namkhai Norbu - has a very clear explanation. It is not a technical oriented book - and is written with complete explanations, and also explains the origins of dzogchen practice in Tibet. And how the practice of dzogchen (no matter what one calls it) - transcends all dogma, sects, and religious affiliation. It is a Human experience. diana diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 1999 Report Share Posted October 1, 1999 In a message dated 10/01/1999 6:30:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Xena10000 writes: << Essence transcends time and space - and is unchangeable. Only the shell Ego (obscuration) is changed and shifted - to allow the shining through of Primordial Mind. In Tibetan Buddhism - it is referred to as "the sun being hidden by clouds". diana Geovani: I feel that Primordial Mind is a very good stand to stay as soon as one sees that there is not a centered observer inside. But it still may be the inner self projecting an expanded awareness as a concept. Some call this as Centerless Awareness. But it is worthwile to question if the mind was not tricked....If this Primordial Mind desapears.....something will remain, untouched....unquestionable....unfathomable....and....and...and...absolutly... alone - as This totality - without another to make up a duo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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