Guest guest Posted October 1, 1999 Report Share Posted October 1, 1999 In a message dated 10/1/99 9:02:17 AM Central Daylight Time, berkowd writes: << there is only One, One alone - nothing to transform - that is the transformation. Nothing obscures It. >> In reality - no. But many of us - due to life experiences - do not have the confidence (without the help of a spiritual guide and practices, visualizations,etc) to accept this Truth. the Buddha said there are at least 84,000 ways to Enlightenment. I have to agree with him on that - spiritual unfolding is unique to each individual. diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 1999 Report Share Posted October 1, 1999 At 06:30 AM 10/1/99 -0400, you wrote: >Xena10000 > >In a message dated 9/30/99 8:03:32 PM Central Daylight Time, janb >writes: > ><< For some, the direct experience of this Primordial Self comes > spontaneously, without any knowledge even of its existence or > meditation. Yet transformations will take place, but the sense > of it is different, more like transformations are happening > and concerning "shell", not "essence". >> > >Yes! I left out the part - Buddhist philosophy is that everyone has Buddha >Nature (Divine Essence). The Essence - is unchangable. In Tibetan Buddhism - >this Essence is referred to (in dzogchen) as Primordial Mind. > >Essence transcends time and space - and is unchangeable. Only the shell Ego >(obscuration) is changed and shifted - to allow the shining through of >Primordial Mind. In Tibetan Buddhism - it is referred to as "the sun being >hidden by clouds". > >diana Dan: these "shells" are constructed only of appearance and belief -- nothing more - there is only One, One alone - nothing to transform - that is the transformation. Nothing obscures It. Nothing obscures Who I Am. -- with Love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 1999 Report Share Posted October 1, 1999 In a message dated 10/1/99 7:28:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Xena10000 writes: << the Buddha said there are at least 84,000 ways to Enlightenment. I have to agree with him on that - spiritual unfolding is unique to each individual. >> Dear Xena, Most Adept Warrior Princess: Yes, I used to believe this, too. Now I have discovered the Hot Curry method of Instant (nearly) Satori, and must add this to the list of the previously well documented 84,000 methods. From now on we should say at least 84,001 methods of reaching enlightenment." Not to be a nit pick, you understand. Actually, I was hoping you and your lovely side kick would rush over to where I hang out and "rough me up" a bit. Not too badly, but enough so that I could have fun and brag that Xena had "really tried to put me in my place" but I would still be able to walk or at least crawl real well and look cool to my neighbors who think that if they just get kicked by a horse or trampled by steers that they have had a tough day. Heck, I've wrangled with Cattle and Emus and horses and Xena seems a lot tougher to me. Blessings Love, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 1999 Report Share Posted October 1, 1999 In a message dated 10/1/99 6:27:25 PM Central Daylight Time, ZEN2WRK writes: << Heck, I've wrangled with Cattle and Emus and horses and Xena seems a lot tougher to me. >> well - if nothing else - time has a way of changing us all. These days - I prefer to win by not fighting. And if anyone that disagrees with ....... <g> diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 1999 Report Share Posted October 1, 1999 On 10/1/99 at 9:58 AM Dan Berkow, PhD wrote: >At 06:30 AM 10/1/99 -0400, you wrote: >>Xena10000 >> >>In a message dated 9/30/99 8:03:32 PM Central Daylight Time, >janb >>writes: >> >><< For some, the direct experience of this Primordial Self comes >> spontaneously, without any knowledge even of its existence or >> meditation. Yet transformations will take place, but the sense >> of it is different, more like transformations are happening >> and concerning "shell", not "essence". >> >> >>Yes! I left out the part - Buddhist philosophy is that everyone has Buddha >>Nature (Divine Essence). The Essence - is unchangable. In Tibetan Buddhism - >>this Essence is referred to (in dzogchen) as Primordial Mind. >> >>Essence transcends time and space - and is unchangeable. Only the shell Ego >>(obscuration) is changed and shifted - to allow the shining through of >>Primordial Mind. In Tibetan Buddhism - it is referred to as "the sun being >>hidden by clouds". >> >>diana > >Dan: these "shells" are constructed only of appearance and belief -- > nothing more - there is only One, One alone - nothing > to transform - that is the transformation. Nothing obscures It. > Nothing obscures Who I Am. -- with Love Ahhhhh! The most direct path ever ! Instant nirvana. There is only one and it's clear my dear: Forget enlightenment as instant nirvana is here. Time for teachers and scholars to fear, they're out of a job: instant nirvana is here. Forget virtues and discipline as it is all in vain: Instant nirvana is here and at no pain. Yogas and meditation can safely be lost: Instant nirvana is here and at no cost. The one is the one who always is there. But without all the shells there is nothing to care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 1999 Report Share Posted October 2, 1999 Zenbabaji: > Yes, I used to believe this, too. Now I have discovered the Hot Curry method > of Instant (nearly) Satori, and must add this to the list of the previously > well documented 84,000 methods. From now on we should say at least 84,001 > methods of reaching enlightenment." 84,002! I experienced instant online awakening on internet. They didn't have that in Buddha's time! With love, Mira *Mirror* http://welcome.to/mirror Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 > Zenbabaji: > > Yes, I used to believe this, too. Now I have discovered the Hot Curry > method > > of Instant (nearly) Satori, and must add this to the list of the > previously > > well documented 84,000 methods. From now on we should say at least 84,001 > > methods of reaching enlightenment." > > 84,002! > I experienced instant online awakening on internet. > They didn't have that in Buddha's time! > With love, > > Mira 84,003! Staying in a town where they had a nuclear plant for a couple of weeks than moving away. Does bring the sensitive mind to flower in new ways. 84,004! Taking the plane. Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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